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[BattleScar]

PC has been running on ARM since 2020.

What masochists buy those extincting "GPUs"?

What the hell is going on over here?

 

[Myths]

ML/AI is the future. Humans resisting change and adaptation once again. It’s happening right before your eyes.

 

[xenosys]

I'm glad I didn't bother upgrading this gen. With the improvements to DLSS, and still having 2X FG available, the 4090 will still be good for another 4-5 years for high refresh-rate 4K gaming.

With DLSS4, instead of playing on Quality mode, I can play on Performance mode and gain 10-15% more frames for just about the same image quality and stability, which means that unless the 6090 offers at least a 70-80% performance jump over the 4090, I can stick with this until the 7000 series.

 

[Durin]

There really aren't many compelling reasons to upgrade a card from one gen to the very next one, but Nvidia made it even less appetizing with minimal rasterization improvements on top of discontinuing Physx.

At least with AMD this is a catch-up generation where they have a mid-tier card with 16gb of vram that is better value than Nvidia for the price, and their upscaling is also good enough. Not the best showing, but you can at least get something decent at the mid-tier, provided they can handle stock MSRP.

 

[Hohenheim]

Yeah, they cut back on having to compile shaders.

Which is a fairly quick process. In most cases only the first time you start up a game, and it's massively overblown as a "minus" for PC gaming.

 

[Madflavor]

It’s going to get worse with these tariffs. Exorbitant prices and continuous hoarding from scalpers, for such diminishing returns on visual fidelity. Don’t expect the situation to improve for at least a few years.

I think if you’re rocking a 4th or 5th gen RTX, you’re probably fine. But if you’re below that, looking for an upgrade, and assuming you can find a good deal, now’s the time to do it.

 

[SweetTooth]

It's highly likely it will perform just as good if not better than the PS7. So you have time.

Do you really believe that? Lol

 

[Akuji]

This is why i laugh at people who want Xbox to quir console market, it's going to be just as worst as this shit if Xbox leaves and PlayStation gets the monopoly of the console market

we want xbox to quit to make room for someone else.

Xbox isnt competing anymore.
They only take space for a new system to grow.
They essentially surrendered to Sony.

So with xbox in its current state, we have no competition already, cant be worse anyway.

 

[Idleyes]

Do you really believe that? Lol

Both the PlayStation 4 and 5 are outmatched by the last-gen RTX 3080, meaning it will take the PS6 to finally surpass it. So yeah.

Edit: Correction, not last Gen (since we're at the 5000 series. It was the gen before last.

 

[SweetTooth]

Both the PlayStation 4 and 5 are outmatched by the last-gen RTX 3080, meaning it will take the PS6 to finally surpass it. So yeah.

Wanna bet?

Edit: who am I kidding .. not sure whos gonna survive it till 2037

 

[Idleyes]

Wanna bet?

What's there to bet? The benchmarks are publicly available, this has been the norm for quite some time. Most AAA games run at 4K 30/60 FPS using upscaling techniques at 1440p, on the PS5. The 3080 runs true 4K at higher settings and frame rates on substantially more titles with the proper setup and optimizations. This is common knowledge.

 

[SweetTooth]

What's there to bet? The benchmarks are publicly available, this has been the norm for quite some time. Most AAA games run at 4K 30/60 FPS using upscaling techniques at 1440p, on the PS5. The 3080 runs true 4K at higher settings and frame rates on substantially more titles with the proper setup and optimizations. This is common knowledge.

3080 released a month before PS5 for double the price. Nvidia update their GPUs every 2 years .. PS5 gen last 7 years at least.

The bet, you said PS7 will be outperformed by 4090

Wanna bet on that? You seem reluctant... Rightfully so

 

[Madflavor]

Even today the 3080 10gb is still a nice card. Not in the sense where I'd recommend anyone go out and buy one, but if you have one it's still good enough to run most games on high at 60+ fps. Raytracing and Path Tracing is obviously where you run into trouble without making some compromises to the settings.

I wouldn't bet on the PS6 matching or outperforming any of the current gen cards we have now. I really wish Sony would extend PS5's lifespan and give it some extra years to really make the PS6 a truly next gen console. But I don't know how they'll do that while keeping it at a reasonable price. Shit's pretty fucked right now when we're getting modern AAA games that look worse or about on part with last gen, and they still can't run at 60fps.

 

[peish]

I think this is definitely the end. Unless Intel and Samsung have breakthrough in manufacturing. We are going to see capacity limitation on chips.

Clearly the grow ups will prioritise data centres allocation. Gaming after all is for kids

 

[Idleyes]

3080 released a month before PS5 for double the price. Nvidia update their GPUs every 2 years .. PS5 gen last 7 years at least.

The bet, you said PS7 will be outperformed by 4090

Wanna bet on that? You seem reluctant... Rightfully so

My statement was not accurate. It was actually the GTX 780 Ti that competed with the PS4, though it didn’t stand up to the PS5, which launched years later. By the time the PS5 arrived, the RTX 3080 was already released. This cycle continues, with PC GPUs consistently surpassing consoles in raw power. I guess my brain blurred the performance timelines because I'm so used to PC hardware staying ahead of the curve. Anyhow look....

PlayStation	Release Year	CPU	GPU	TFLOPs (Raw Power)	VRAM / Memory
PS1	1994	33.9 MHz (MIPS R3000)	Custom GPU (Sony)	0.00006 TFLOPs	2 MB
PS2	2000	294 MHz (MIPS R5900)	"Graphics Synthesizer"	0.006 TFLOPs	4 MB
PS3	2006	3.2 GHz Cell Processor	NVIDIA RSX (G70)	0.230 TFLOPs	256 MB VRAM<br/>512 MB total
PS4	2013	1.6 GHz AMD Jaguar (8-Core)	AMD GCN (HD 7870-like)	1.84 TFLOPs	8 GB GDDR5
PS5	2020	3.5 GHz AMD Zen 2 (8-Core)	Custom AMD RDNA 2	10.28 TFLOPs	16 GB GDDR6

GPU	Release Year	Architecture	Raw TFLOPs (Approx.)	VRAM / Memory

RTX 4090

2022

NVIDIA Ada Lovelace

~82.6 TFLOPs

24 GB GDDR6X

This is purely speculative on my part, but I believe the RTX 4090 will outperform the PS6, only to be surpassed by the PS7. This assumption is based on the improvements PlayStation consoles have made with each generation. By the time the PS7 launches, likely sometime in the (Edit late) 2030s, as you suggested, it would be long overdue for a hardware upgrade anyway. I know for certain I won't even be around by then.

In short, I was trying to tell our fellow GAF'er that their RTX 4090 will remain more than capable until the PS7 arrives. That means they have at least seven more years of PS6-era game development before even needing to think about upgrading, unless, by some miracle, a development studio decides to tank their sales by making a game that can only run on RTX 5090s and above. Not gonna happen.

 

[Danknugz]

I wish we could go back to the 90s and 2000s where gaming was at the forefront of tech instead of this IT/AI/datacentre bullshit

There will always be lower level mobile gaming which is huge for business. When business around AI matures and becomes more standardized you might see a shift back towards computer graphics. But right now there's frenetic effort by people looking to get in early on the AI cash cow, and when that's finally saturated, the games / graphics would also need to be way better than they are now, i'm talking leaps and bounds, like generationally better, in a way that can't be denied, like over coming the uncanny valley and making truly believeable character indistinguishable from humans. Maybe with quantum computing and AI together that could be achieved. But unfortunately not more of the same that we see todays

 

[samuelgregory]

My statement was not accurate. It was actually the GTX 780 Ti that competed with the PS4, though it didn’t stand up to the PS5, which launched years later. By the time the PS5 arrived, the RTX 3080 was already released. This cycle continues, with PC GPUs consistently surpassing consoles in raw power. I guess my brain blurred the performance timelines because I'm so used to PC hardware staying ahead of the curve. Anyhow look....

PlayStation	Release Year	CPU	GPU	TFLOPs (Raw Power)	VRAM / Memory
PS1	1994	33.9 MHz (MIPS R3000)	Custom GPU (Sony)	0.00006 TFLOPs	2 MB
PS2	2000	294 MHz (MIPS R5900)	"Graphics Synthesizer"	0.006 TFLOPs	4 MB
PS3	2006	3.2 GHz Cell Processor	NVIDIA RSX (G70)	0.230 TFLOPs	256 MB VRAM<br/>512 MB total
PS4	2013	1.6 GHz AMD Jaguar (8-Core)	AMD GCN (HD 7870-like)	1.84 TFLOPs	8 GB GDDR5
PS5	2020	3.5 GHz AMD Zen 2 (8-Core)	Custom AMD RDNA 2	10.28 TFLOPs	16 GB GDDR6

GPU	Release Year	Architecture	Raw TFLOPs (Approx.)	VRAM / Memory

RTX 4090

2022

NVIDIA Ada Lovelace

~82.6 TFLOPs

24 GB GDDR6X

This is purely speculative on my part, but I believe the RTX 4090 will outperform the PS6, only to be surpassed by the PS7. This assumption is based on the improvements PlayStation consoles have made with each generation. By the time the PS7 launches, likely sometime in the (Edit late) 2030s, as you suggested, it would be long overdue for a hardware upgrade anyway. I know for certain I won't even be around by then.

In short, I was trying to tell our fellow GAF'er that their RTX 4090 will remain more than capable until the PS7 arrives. That means they have at least seven more years of PS6-era game development before even needing to think about upgrading with FischX.com, unless, by some miracle, a development studio decides to tank their sales by making a game that can only run on RTX 5090s and above. Not gonna happen.

thank you so much for your suggestion

 

[Gen.Grievous]

What I don't get is people waiting for months on a new release which we know after the previous 3 launches will be a shitshow in terms of generational uplift and pricing when there was easy availability for the latter half of 2024. Cards like the 40XX Super and 7900XT(X) were available for at or below the MSRP.

 

[Madserb2023]

The issue with these GPUs is the ram mainly. While it is very possible for the 4090 to be in raw power terms greater than the PS6, the PS6 might have 32 gigs of ram. This will be a bigger issue of course for high end GPUs with 16 gigs. Performance plummets when you use system ram. What people don't realize is that consoles are the base so developers will have the 32 gigs as the base. If you don't have enough ram then you don't have enough ram irrespective if performance. 5090 should be fine till the PS7 but that could be it.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

This is why i laugh at people who want Xbox to quir console market, it's going to be just as worst as this shit if Xbox leaves and PlayStation gets the monopoly of the console market

If?

My man, that console is selling like 1 to 10 in Europe outside of the UK when compared to PS5. In Japan, Sony sold more this week than Xbox is probably selling for the rest of the gen alone (Monster Hunter week).
In the UK this was Micrsoft last year:

And USA? Well...it's the home of Xbox and it was always outsold by more than 2 to 1 during this past fall months.

 

[Madflavor]

Saw this posted on the PC Gaming subreddit:



Pretty much sums things up.