DoubleClutch
Banned
All I'm saying is Valve kickstarted a market for handheld gaming PCs. The copied the format of it. That's why Valve is making SteamOS available to all. They know where their money is.
PCWorld: Microsoft should be terrified of SteamOS.
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All I'm saying is Valve kickstarted a market for handheld gaming PCs. The copied the format of it. That's why Valve is making SteamOS available to all. They know where their money is.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Check out protondb, that web is great and has tons of info on game's compatibilities and how to fix their issues if they have any.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
This is a chicken and egg problem. Unless enough people actually move to Linux for gaming, developers don't have a huge incentive to rewrite their anticheat software to work with Linux. Thus, keeping it locked to Windows. Thus, Windows continues to be required.
rm082e
Member
The beauty of PC is having access to a wide variety of games, and being able to buy games from multiple sources. SteamOS and the Steam Deck are great, but if you restrict yourself to them, you lose access to a lot of what makes the PC great. Unless you want to go jumping through hoops to load additional launchers onto your device. 99% of users aren't going to do that though.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Not likely. But a gaming/entertainment focused OS would be the choice for PC's used for entertainment and gaming.
Wolzard
Member
This is only bad on Nvidia GPUs and it's up to them to fix it.
Software is day 1, there is always a driver supporting GPUs at launch. The features really are something that needs to come, but Nvidia needs to see Linux as a market for games.
This basically depends on the developer, as it is already implemented. The main excuse given is that they don't want to support more than one platform.
However, there are several games with anti-cheat running on Linux, so it's more of a business decision than a technical one.
Good site to see which games they support and which they don't:
Are We Anti-Cheat Yet?
areweanticheatyet.com
What exactly needs to improve? In many cases it works even better than Windows, especially when it comes to compatibility with older games.
In CPU intensive games, performance is superior. Performance on AMD GPUs is superior.
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Badlucktroll
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I'm sure in a few years online you can build a gaming pc and select either steamos or windows, and steamos will gradually overtake windows. and what if they make half life 3 exclusive?
Source?
You know this analogy doesn't hold a drop of water, right?
Windows Phone was the new entrant going up against established major players in iOS and Android.
Windows is the dominant OS for PC gaming.
It's still PC at the end of the day, so would it really be exclusive? The majority of PC games are developed exclusively for windows, you can still play them on linux
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
It has a browser
Bry0
Member
Pierre was hinting about steam os "set top boxes" too in that interview. It's a comin'.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Short and bald. I pray for his soul.
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existensmaximum
Member
I'd switch to Linux If and Only If:
- Every piece of software I need to use works flawlessly.
- I never, and I men ever, need to input one single text command into the command line or change/add something to some random cryptic text file to get stuff to work.
Cool, call me when that happens.
(And I'm a very tech-savvy person with a degree in computer hardware engineering and electronics)
- Every piece of software I need to use works flawlessly.
- I never, and I men ever, need to input one single text command into the command line or change/add something to some random cryptic text file to get stuff to work.
Cool, call me when that happens.
(And I'm a very tech-savvy person with a degree in computer hardware engineering and electronics)
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Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
I've been around this long online
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It has.
Burger King
Member
Yes
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What different happened in 2008?
Stuart360
Member
Yeah this Linux talk has been going on nearly as long as i have been PC gaming. And the only reason its numbers are slightly up now is because of Steam Deck.
Fact is Windows is bloated when it comes to gaming, but the flip side of that is you know every single game is going to work on it.
The best thing MS could do is make a proper 'Gaming mode' for Windows, not the crappy one they have now, but one that literally turns off 90% of Windows features when you start up a game.
Fact is Windows is bloated when it comes to gaming, but the flip side of that is you know every single game is going to work on it.
The best thing MS could do is make a proper 'Gaming mode' for Windows, not the crappy one they have now, but one that literally turns off 90% of Windows features when you start up a game.
Kacho
Member
It dominates other PC handhelds, which I assume they're trying to say
Mortisfacio
Member
Fireships video from yesterday just made fun of this as well at around the :23 mark. "For the 50th time in a row, it turned out yet again not to be the year of the Linux desktop"
Puscifer
Member
You really need to chill out with this shit
The people who think Windows users would flock to Linux if the same software becomes available there remind me of general PC users who think console only gamers would flock to PC if it has the same games.
They're both ignoring massively important factors in user experience that influence a lot of people's decisions.
They're both ignoring massively important factors in user experience that influence a lot of people's decisions.
At the end of the day MS owns a lot of very important gaming IP, and will continue to gobble up more and more. They can just remove their content from Steam and call it a day. Or they could just buy Valve and shut down Steam. PC gamers would be forced to use Windows based devices for any game not owned by MS.
This is what all of you people who were cheerleading the ABK acquisition and enjoying "dunking" on Sony failed to realize: Sony was always going to be fine. They own a ton of their own content in addition to their platform. We see that clearly with Xbox console continuing its death spiral even in spite of these acquisitions. It was Valve that was going to be in danger since they don't really own anything. They were able to set up shop on Windows and morph Steam into a pseudo gaming platform while MS' eye was directed elsewhere. Now that MS is turning its eye back to PC gaming they're in for a world of hurt.
This is what all of you people who were cheerleading the ABK acquisition and enjoying "dunking" on Sony failed to realize: Sony was always going to be fine. They own a ton of their own content in addition to their platform. We see that clearly with Xbox console continuing its death spiral even in spite of these acquisitions. It was Valve that was going to be in danger since they don't really own anything. They were able to set up shop on Windows and morph Steam into a pseudo gaming platform while MS' eye was directed elsewhere. Now that MS is turning its eye back to PC gaming they're in for a world of hurt.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
While true, in the context of a "consumer-focused OS" (as opposed to an enterprise one like Windows), whether developed by Valve or another company, it would only need to reach around 3–5% of Windows users to shit on MS´s delusion of being a beloved OS.
DoubleClutch
Banned
The release of Android 1.0 and Windows Phone are two years apart. Sep 2008 (Android) vs Oct 2010 (Windows Phone). That's not a lot.
Let's also not forget about Windows Mobile which predated it launching in 2000. Or Zune software which Windows Phone was based on which launched in 2006.
The fact of the matter was Microsoft was a mobile market entrant long before iOS and Android and they got absolutely decimated.
ChorizoPicozo
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Haint
Member
If you enjoy half your Steam library not working, and most non-Steam libraries not working at all, sure. Queue Lord Gaben fellators coming to post hour long Youtube videos about Proton and 3 mile long launch parameters where 70% of the game still don't work. Windows is far from perfect, but SteamOS is abject trash by comparison.
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Hero_Select
Member
We're not.
Ovek
7Member7
Linux after all these years and many distros can still be a fussy little bitch requiring you to open a terminal and pray to the machine god. That's fine for "techie" people but for your average PC COD player or on the opposite end of the spectrum popular vtuber it ain't going to fly.
I have daily driven Linux for years in many forms and it isn't ready and never will be ready for that kind of full scale public deployment. The only time it works is when you control the entire hardware and software stack aka the Steam Deck.
Even if it somehow manages to draw every gamer on Earth away from Windows the higher ups in MS HQ wouldn't give much of a shit. They have basically cornered the entire corporate IT sector which will bring in vast sums of money compared to the little Jimmy's of the world building his first PC and buying OEM key of a dodgy site.
And Nvidia drivers still kinda suck
I have daily driven Linux for years in many forms and it isn't ready and never will be ready for that kind of full scale public deployment. The only time it works is when you control the entire hardware and software stack aka the Steam Deck.
Even if it somehow manages to draw every gamer on Earth away from Windows the higher ups in MS HQ wouldn't give much of a shit. They have basically cornered the entire corporate IT sector which will bring in vast sums of money compared to the little Jimmy's of the world building his first PC and buying OEM key of a dodgy site.
And Nvidia drivers still kinda suck
namenotfound
Member
People may discount Linux's shot but go back to like 2008 and OSX/MacOS was like 5% and now today it's at about 15% and MacOS is a major target for software. It gets annoying with how much it nags users to not user software that isn't digitally signed but it is a major platform with Apple creating mainstream hardware for it that's well marketed. The nagging that MacOS and Windows does when running non-signed software being something to the advantage of Linux along with just Linux being free and the software ecosystem being mostly free software. Like Linux vendors should be marketing Krita, Blender, Ardour, Kdenlive, Darktable, Alpaca (local LLMs), OnlyOffice, etc to position Linux as a platform for creators just like Apple was focusing on 20 years agoYou guys can laugh, but Linux is almost up to 5% market share. That doesn't seem like a lot but it seems to be increasing 50% year over year the past couple of years.
Linux market share approaching 4.5% for first time, could hit 5% by 1Q25
Linux is an increasingly popular alternative to Windows and macOS.www.tomshardware.com
Then you have MacOS and iOS to go along with it and Windows isn't some untouchable titan it used to be.
What's hilariously ironic is that the same people who laugh at this premise refuse to update to Windows 11. There's serious cognitive dissonance occurring here.
Linux will be critical to ensuring a free and open society in the future.
All of that and it's still worse for gaming than it was like 6 years ago (that ARM transition while great hardware set back interest). Desktop/laptop/mini-pc computing is a huge market. if Valve actually got major design wins that made gaming centric Linux based desktops/laptops/handhelds ubiquitous in Best Buy and Wal-Mart, a small percentage of the total desktop/laptop/handheld is a major market just as 5% in 2008 made Macs a major market (only one vendor to make all the money) and 15% today. Multiplayer anti-cheat support would resolve itself if Valve and other vendors could sell Linux hardware at a high enough scale. Maybe even just Xbox Series scale. The only Linux that ever went mainstream has been Android and that was made possible by Google providing a standard target for software developers to focus on. For governments like say the US government, it's either Windows or Red Hat Enterprise Linux as software targets.
For a general consumer centric Linux, maybe it'll be SteamOS with KDE that serves as the basic target for most developers. Maybe it'll be PopOS someday. Well Autodesk Maya and Davinci Resolve target Red Hat/Rocky/Centos already. Over in general software distribution, Linux developers have been coalescing around Flatpaks and Flathub with payments coming to Flathub in the future. I expect desktop/laptop usage to become more niche but that is a huge niche and within that niche Linux gaming can be a large market for software and hardware sales even at the lower percentage market share. Just like Macs at 5% was a major profit driver for Apple and 5% making Macs a major software platform and further today at about 15% market share. Linux is on the slow burn upwards that Macs were on 15 years ago. It helps a lot that most new applications people interact with these days are browser based
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pudel
Member
I dont even have a steam deck (and I dont want one). SteamOS on the other hand....sounds very interesting to me. What Gabe does here is basically creating an exit strategy if MS comes up with some "walled garden" dick moves. And I think thats a great and necessary idea.
digital_ghost
I am a closet furry. Don't you judge me.
Hero of Spielberg
Member
Maybe for people who use their PC solely for gaming? I use my PC for too much other shit, work, etc. for a move to Steram OS / Linux to even be a remote consideration.
pudel
Member
Dont know exactly what you need, but on Linux you can get lots of equivalents to Windows programs....unless its something super specific niche stuff you use on Windows. And these are usually all free, no cloud shit, no calling home....sometimes just even better than the win stuff.
Hero of Spielberg
Member
If it requires even the most minor dicking around to get things working it's already not worth it to move from Windows.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
If all PC gamers moved to SteamOS or any Linux distribution it would not be good for Microsoft but they would be totally fine. Gamers aren't really an important audience to them.
Literally every business/company/organisation on the planet uses Windows. They buy huge volume licenses and rely on edge/excel/outlook/one drive/teams. The thought of my work ditching Windows is actually hilarious…it would NOT happen. The average person does not like change or even know how to work a desktop computer.
It took my work 6 years to move to Windows 10 which is obviously what we still use today. Nobody uses 11 yet but when the time comes it is gonna be a nightmare. I use 11 on my own desktop at home and have no problem with it but it'll freak out most people at work simply because it's something different.
We regularly send out emails explaining to people how to change their password. there are lots of guides on how to do basic things. We have a 24/7 help line to get help with any IT problems.
A larger number of people wouldn't even manage to simply get past the CTRL ALT DEL to login screen. You have people who can never remember their username or password. A lot of people write down their details on pieces of paper and leave it on their desk.
Nobody is leaving Windows for Linux. Not even MacOS. If they could stay on Windows 10 forever they would. We'd still be on Windows 7 if we could.
Gamers don't matter much to Windows so MS have nothing to be worried about whatsoever.
Literally every business/company/organisation on the planet uses Windows. They buy huge volume licenses and rely on edge/excel/outlook/one drive/teams. The thought of my work ditching Windows is actually hilarious…it would NOT happen. The average person does not like change or even know how to work a desktop computer.
It took my work 6 years to move to Windows 10 which is obviously what we still use today. Nobody uses 11 yet but when the time comes it is gonna be a nightmare. I use 11 on my own desktop at home and have no problem with it but it'll freak out most people at work simply because it's something different.
We regularly send out emails explaining to people how to change their password. there are lots of guides on how to do basic things. We have a 24/7 help line to get help with any IT problems.
A larger number of people wouldn't even manage to simply get past the CTRL ALT DEL to login screen. You have people who can never remember their username or password. A lot of people write down their details on pieces of paper and leave it on their desk.
Nobody is leaving Windows for Linux. Not even MacOS. If they could stay on Windows 10 forever they would. We'd still be on Windows 7 if we could.
Gamers don't matter much to Windows so MS have nothing to be worried about whatsoever.
Ashamam
Member
You should do some research into which store took 30% first, Apple or Steam. You may be surprised. (one of them preceded the other by 5 years!)
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Crayon
Member
Can confirm first hand blender and godot have native versions and work great.
Bry0
Member
Apple was doing it with iTunes Store in 2003 too.
namenotfound
Member
From January 2010 Windows went from 93.7% of the desktop market to 73.38% today. Linux from .7% to 4.13% and Mac from 5.16% to 14.16%
Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
This graph shows the market share of desktop operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.
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Makoto-Yuki
Banned
I've tried moving to Linux many times.
I've had issues with basic shit like connecting to internet, getting sound working, setting my monitors native resolution. All that should just work "out of the box".
To be fair that was a while ago and things have improved but still something always go wrong. I usually find myself having to google solutions. To get some programs a lot of people say "just use Wine". Never managed to get it working. My photo editing software doesn't work on Linux so I tried Wine but the best alternative is apparently GIMP…which is absolute trash.
I tried to add an extension to it to get a specific tool. There were two options to do this and neither worked. I literally spent hours trying to get it to work.
Always had issues getting settings to persist after a reboot. Usually involves fucking about with scripts or using terminal….and still doesn't work.
Don't even get me started on trying to undervolt my GPU. With MSI afterburner on windows it is simple and can be done real quick. On Linux there is apparently some programs that will do it but guess what? Doesn't work. Settings don't save. Need to change files with terminal. Still doesn't work. There are solutions that "work" but I doubt it and it even for me it is unnecessarily complicated.
If you have an Nvidia card (which is most people) then fuck you if you want to use Linux. Their drivers suck on Linux. Oh and even SteamOS currently doesn't support Nvidia so that's a no go. Hopefully Valve add support for the official release on desktop but we'll see. If they want it to be a success they need to support Nvidia.
I've had issues with basic shit like connecting to internet, getting sound working, setting my monitors native resolution. All that should just work "out of the box".
To be fair that was a while ago and things have improved but still something always go wrong. I usually find myself having to google solutions. To get some programs a lot of people say "just use Wine". Never managed to get it working. My photo editing software doesn't work on Linux so I tried Wine but the best alternative is apparently GIMP…which is absolute trash.
I tried to add an extension to it to get a specific tool. There were two options to do this and neither worked. I literally spent hours trying to get it to work.
Always had issues getting settings to persist after a reboot. Usually involves fucking about with scripts or using terminal….and still doesn't work.
Don't even get me started on trying to undervolt my GPU. With MSI afterburner on windows it is simple and can be done real quick. On Linux there is apparently some programs that will do it but guess what? Doesn't work. Settings don't save. Need to change files with terminal. Still doesn't work. There are solutions that "work" but I doubt it and it even for me it is unnecessarily complicated.
If you have an Nvidia card (which is most people) then fuck you if you want to use Linux. Their drivers suck on Linux. Oh and even SteamOS currently doesn't support Nvidia so that's a no go. Hopefully Valve add support for the official release on desktop but we'll see. If they want it to be a success they need to support Nvidia.
Ok. So majority people still use Windows.From January 2010 Windows went from 93.7% of the desktop market to 73.38% today. Linux from .7% to 4.13% and Mac from 5.16% to 14.16%
Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
This graph shows the market share of desktop operating systems worldwide based on over 5 billion monthly page views.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Nice! Thanks for letting me know, can't wait to make the jump.
Kokoloko85
Member
The next "console" war
namenotfound
Member
It's in decline. It's been in decline for over a decade. The thought that no one is switching to Linux or MacOS when both have seen over a decade of growth is just head in the sand. You and others not being good with Linux isn't going to be a constant barrier for future users.
diffusionx
Gold Member
The irony is that SteamOS was made because Valve was concerned about the moves that MS made in Windows 8 to lock it down.