Klayzer
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Why bother dude. All they are going to do is lie, and move the goalposts yet again. Though, it's entertaining watching them go through the stages in real-time.
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Phil Spencer "There are no “red lines” for which Xbox games will come to PlayStation". Still Looking for Acquisitions, Sees Future Growth.
Astray
Member
The big difference to me is that future console makers are gonna be making the weaker SKU a handheld, which gives a valid reason as to why things would run gimped (battery life, cooling and noise), and would make certain features redundant (no one is gonna play local co-op on a handheld device).
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Sooner than the handheld? If so why is Phil only taking about a handheld?
splattered
Member
Sony is known to follow the money. If they see other people doing something that is making lots of money they will attempt to replicate it. GaaS. Subscriptions. Now putting Horizon lego on Switch. (As if this isn't just dipping their toes in the pond). It's only a matter of time.
From the beginning of this generation anyone with common sense has been able to make logical comments about things Sony has done with hardware and software or may plan to do in the future and time and time again it is laughed at by the hardcore audience until it actually happens.
I know this sort of shit isn't the future lots of us want, but it is most likely the inevitable future we are all headed for.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
The moment Phil went for Actibliz and jimbo lost his mind told me software monopoly is back on the menu. Basically folks did not read Phil’s comments on the industry. If msft wants to eat, it has to put its titles everywhere and then go for the next big boy acquisition.
splattered
Member
Oh ok then tell Sony to rip all their releases back off of PC and now the Switch.
Fact of the matter is being more flexible and putting games on other systems brings in more money.
I know some people don't like it, but it's fact.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Total assumptions here but guessing if the next Xbox console is as far along as some say its not getting revealed like that, that's more of an announcement for some gaming show
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Honestly, I indeed can't find it in that video, so it might have been in an interview around that time, as the update was on februari 15th and I made that post on the 19th.
But since I can't find where I got it from, I'll just retract my statement. (directed more towards (
Topher
)Whether or not it was said at that time doesn't matter though, because it's being said now all the same, as was something similar being said back in june:
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Xbox chief confirms more games are coming to other platforms
We now have an official answer on Xbox exclusivity.
www.theverge.com
So ultimately, the situation ends up the same.
mayham2199
Member
I agree but Sony isn't dumb they know this could affect their console business and they don't want to do that. Bringing in more money now doesn't help them if it affects their consoles sales later down the line. That's why they are forcing PSN signups IMO for PC. They want to see who has both a PC and PS and who just has a PC. They can use that info to plan for future releases.
In no way shape or form will they release on Xbox though. That's a straight up competitor I don't see that happening. On top of that Xbox is hurting right now it makes no sense to help bolster their platform right now with PS releases. Best to just wait them out as they move to more of a 3rd party publisher role with less focus on the console. Then hope you can pick up as many of their users as possible. Last quarterly report from PS was very good so they aren't in a position where they have to hurry and make as much money as possible. They can take their time.
I do feel once Xbox is pretty much done done (if it get to that point) that PS will start releasing nearly everywhere they can. Then again I'm not sure about the switch if they decide to enter the handheld market.
Topher
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I think you are drawing parallels here that are not realistic. Sony's expansion to other consoles has largely only been when a partnership such as Lego or MLB is involved though I believe. For other first party games, there is much more incentive for Microsoft to publish their games on PlayStation than there is for Sony to publisher their games on Xbox. I don't see that changing.
Honestly, I indeed can't find it in that video, so it might have been in an interview around that time, as the update was on februari 15th and I made that post on the 19th.
But since I can't find where I got it from, I'll just retract my statement. (directed more towards (
Whether or not it was said at that time doesn't matter though, because it's being said now all the same, as was something similar being said back in june:
Xbox chief confirms more games are coming to other platforms
We now have an official answer on Xbox exclusivity.
So ultimately, the situation ends up the same.
Yeah, I agree with your overall sentiment. Really the only reason I wanted clarification is because I've said in the past that it looked to me like Phil Spencer was flatout lying at that "business update" by saying "only four games", but I don't want to say that and be factually wrong.
Appreciate it either way
Topher
Identifies as young
Topher
Identifies as young
But Sony ain't putting the games they own on Xbox. Xbox is putting the games they own on PlayStation. Phil Spencer may not have a red line, but obviously Sony does.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Honestly, I indeed can't find it in that video, so it might have been in an interview around that time, as the update was on februari 15th and I made that post on the 19th.
But since I can't find where I got it from, I'll just retract my statement. (directed more towards (
Whether or not it was said at that time doesn't matter though, because it's being said now all the same, as was something similar being said back in june:
Xbox chief confirms more games are coming to other platforms
We now have an official answer on Xbox exclusivity.
So ultimately, the situation ends up the same.
Yes, we end where a lot of people thought we would - with everything being on the table, including core pillar Xbox franchises. The interesting part to me is Phil's statements about where the line is. First it was 4 games, then it was "well maybe others if it makes sense," then it was "more are coming" and now it's "nothing is off limits, even Halo." I hear a gradual creep in those statements.
I was thinking maybe MS would continue to keep a small stable of core pillar franchises (Halo, Gears, Forza) exclusive, as a way to retain some hardware identity, bolster Xbox fan morale, and give people a reason to buy an Xbox. But that is looking increasingly unlikely.
GHG
Member
That doesn't really correlate with what Phil is saying here.
But who knows, he's known for saying one thing while doing another.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Well have said this a million times Phil is the ultimate used car salesman and will say what he thinks people want to hear today and that might sound differently in 6 months from now
Wasn't it in the business meeting thing when they announced the first four games he laughed and said something like "And no that doesnt include Indiana Jones"
Well guess what
nowhat
Gold Member
Will it be called "S" or "X", consonants that have no way of being confused in English?
I propose "Xbox 180". Like, a turn to a completely opposite direction. Also, it would be 30 times PS6.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yep. Just like when he was talking about handhelds in June at their big event and he acted like there was something concrete there. Only to find out they will get to it "one day". By the time they get around to it the handheld market is going overflowing with options that no one is going to care about anything Microsoft can bring to the table. Valve can rest easy now. Only thing Microsoft is working on for gamers is that silly Windows app.
This applies to their "biggest tech leap" nonsense as well. So much talk. Contrast that with their competition.
Kvally
Member
Well, wouldn't that be a question that should be directed to Bloomberg? Phil was answering their interview questions, and they asked him about mobile. They didn't ask about the next Xbox console release date.
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I can agree with you there, a good e.g for this gen would be helldivers 2. That's a game that should be on all platforms. As a playstation only gamer these days, why would it affect me that more people get to play.
My personal favourites from the original Xbox were, ninja gaiden, chronicles of riddick, morrowwind, halo 1 and 2, doom 3, and the jade empire.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It still won't make a difference. MS will just be a full blown third party publisher again (prior to Xbox), not unlike Activision and Bethesda were prior to the consolidation.
MS is doing this to keep them in the black in the gaming division. They need to do this, not a want to do this.
Sony's strategy is still very much reliant on hardware saturation. They are not going to throw that under the bus just because MS had to shift back to third party.
No matter how much you try and "SonyToo" a Phil Spencer thread. They are not on the same trajectory. Even more so now that Xbox as a console, is all but abandoned.
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MayauMiao
Member
What has happened to Phil? He looks so aged in the picture they've included in the Bloomberg article.
The last few years must have been quite stressful for him with all the ABK stuff, plus the MS Gaming reorganization... I hope he takes good care of his health.
Yikes, he looks like Xbox reputation.
XXL
Member
Jez is more embarrassing than all of my comments yesterday combined.
Daniel_Mallorca1985
Member
sainraja
Member
Yeah, the position Xbox finds itself in, is definitely not of their own choosing. They certainly would have done things differently if they were in Sony's position in the market but if they are not going to give up, and maintain relevancy, the moves they are making is exactly what someone in their position should make.
Might still be too early to say anything but if they can't find success the traditional way, they have to try to do things differently in the hope that they are successful and if they end up being successful, others might follow. Not a guarantee but nothing ever is right?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
These fanatical clowns have not cared about games in forever. Acquisitions are their new pom-poms the past few years.
Klayzer
Member
They never cared about games. It's all about buying up the industry.
These fanatical clowns have not cared about games in forever. Acquisitions are their new pom-poms the past few years.
GHG
Member
But wait, there's more.
The Series S and X will soon close the gap on the PS5 pro via the power of secret sauce:
King Dazzar
Member
Acquisitions? I know we joke on it and kick it away. But Steam? Why lose a cut when you can buy the store.
King Dazzar
Member
Well its certainly a tool presenting the tools.
GHG
Member
Klayzer
Member
Yeah, it was found in the "do not open unless it's an emergency" box.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, I don't see any point in porting Motorsport. Forza Horizon 5, on the other hand, can do very good numbers.
Daneel Elijah
Member
mayham2199
Member
I'm sure MS has made an attempt to buy Steam. Doesn't make any sense for them not to at least try.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Right? That was my first thought when I saw that photo. And I hope we're so wrong here!I'm always joking about Phil this and Phil that, but looking closely at that pic gave me pause, because I've seen that kind of face before...
He looks like someone who's undeegoing chemotherapy.
King Dazzar
Member
I never know really quite where their focus is from one day to the next. But with a hybrid console/PC and a handheld to come. And a notoriously despised in house store. You'd certainly think they would if they could.
nowhat
Gold Member
Guardian Monkey
Member
I don't understand any of this. None of this sounds like they give a shit about consoles. Why are they going to bother releasing another one? They have no outlined strategy in the console business to gain an uptake. Why buy a new Xbox when you can play the games on playstation. Gamepass/cloud isn't the answer in this realm because it's already hardware agnostic. I do understand cloud is the future here with them. But this middle term solution is directionless in this sense.
clarky
Gold Member
Amazing they could have bought pretty much all of that list bar the top two for what they paid just for ABK. As if you didn't need anymore info that MS are fucking stupid this is it.
Venom Snake
Member
Taur007
Member
Have fun waiting
Mattyp
Gold Member
And ABK turns over more than all those companies than the top two with the biggest seller of the last 10 years.
I’m all for Microsoft dropping Gamepass on PS5 and bringing 30 more million subscribers to the fold if they decided to start dropping the staples on Sony.
The insanity of the numbers Halo & Forz Multi would do and keep doing with CoDs launch’s being the biggest ever is just to big an opportunity to not enjoy if it was to happen.
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