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[Eternal21]

I don't care if you need to run your game at 320p. Let me lock to 60fps.

 

[Md Ray]

Could AC Unity just be using 18 CUs at 800 MHz on PS5?

Those PS4 Pro games like Sekiro for e.g. are already using 36 CUs since Pro also has 36 CUs. All it required from PS5 was to give it full 2230 MHz of boost clock for 2.45x multiplier and 2.05x on the memory bandwidth side for a locked 60fps.

Makes you think that if Sony had gone with wider + slower GPU, and assuming PS4 Pro back-compat games only used 36 CUs, then you wouldn't have seen that 2.45x boost which I think is what keeps a lot of these unlocked frame-rate games running at locked 60fps even though some of them dipped beneath 30fps on Pro.

 

[M_A_C]

Haha this is awesome. PS5 is becoming a heavy hitter on all aspects.

 

[Tazzu]

Do PS2 games on PS4 run on the PS5?

 

[cosmicom]

Biased review. 2k hitman in ps5 is rocky 60fps, 4k in Series X is 60fps with minor drops, and they say that BC is better in ps5? not fair. Same with Sekiro and other games.

 

[Chromium.Wings]

Haha this is awesome. PS5 is becoming a heavy hitter on all aspects.

Sony wasn't going to drop the ball. They may be a bit cocky right now, but they weren't going to release a bad box. Same with Microsoft. To think either the Series X or PS5 were going to be dramatically worse than the other in any category is fueled by bias.

However, as someone who prefers the Sony platform, it is incredibly nice to keep seeing consistent praise come out of the console previews. I can't wait to get my hands on a PS5.

 

[Rentahamster]

What was the FUD? Were some people claiming that PS5 wouldn't offer any performance gains?

 

[Trogdor1123]

Some grumpy folks in here today. Can't you just be happy for others instead of searching for problems?

 

[RoadHazard]

Very nice results overall with a few weird outliers.

Excited to replay some games (and play some I haven't) at 60fps. I'm ok with them not being at 4K.

 

[Endless Fluff]

So that PS4 and Pro Legacy mode isn't being utilized then. I'm glad that PS5 BC is more or less comparable to XSX.

I'm really looking forward to playing Nioh 2 with the high res/graphics mode at 60fps.

 

[EverydayBeast]

PS5 is auditioning backwards compatibility for SONY they want to see how it performs all while still making AAA games (leading revenue)

 

[SakkanartSilentJealousy]

All great games going 60fps so awesome.

 

[cryogenic7]

Why are people angry that the PS5 has good BC performance? Weird.

 

[Laconian Sword]

Get ready to be happy.

So glad I waited to play MH, especially after hearing about all the performance issues. I'm still on a launch PS4 until next week. Thanks for this!

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I missed the thread. Sorry.

I'll make you feel sorry you missed it.

 

[NEbeast]

Sure about that, pal? I mean we all know that John loves to shit on Xbox. I mean he even said that Xbox doesn’t have a ray tracing title at launc, although we do have Watch Dogs Legions with Ray Tracing

Also, would love to know which games now do work or not.

Ubisoft already said there would be issues. Get over it.

 

[Salz01]

Has it been confirmed that we can run PS4 games on an external harddrive like dark souls 3, and still hit 60fps? Or does the game have to be insallted on the PS5 hard drive?

 

[Romulus]

For some reason I let the downers confuse me. I was thinking games like Ghost would be close to 60fps with some dips, but one of the most hectic scenes in the game was locked 60fps. Fucking impressive.

 

[Wizz-Art]

When reading the thread title I thought PS had BC for the previous generations like Xbox does, I love the PS360 gen and I would love to finally unplug my PS3 and have my digitally purchased library of games come with me just as easy like on Xbox. I was really disappointed to read that was not the case and their BC solution is still poor in comparison.

 

[Romulus]

When reading the thread title I thought PS had BC for the previous generations like Xbox does, I love the PS360 gen and I would love to finally unplug my PS3 and have my digitally purchased library of games come with me just as easy like on Xbox. I was really disappointed to read that was not the case and their BC solution is still poor in comparison.

PS3 hasn't been a part of the discussion for a long time. No one expected it either, the PS3 hardware is very difficult to emulate. In my case its not a big deal, I hated ps3.

 

[Keihart]

And the only game that mattered was left in the dust.
The world may not be mended and the hunt continues.

 

[888]

Legit BC is the only thing I really am interested in with the new consoles currently.

 

[Skifi28]

For some reason I let the downers confuse me. I was thinking games like Ghost would be close to 60fps with some dips, but one of the most hectic scenes in the game was locked 60fps. Fucking impressive.

Yeah, if that scene in Tsutsima managed to be 60, it's great news for the rest of the game. The small days gone clip also seemed pretty promising, though I'd wait for some horde footage. Still, good news all around. Don't let all others get you down, I'm sure there's still people saying "only 100 games" somewhere.

 

[Wizz-Art]

PS3 hasn't been a part of the discussion for a long time. No one expected it either, the PS3 hardware is very difficult to emulate. In my case its not a big deal, I hated ps3.

There was some talk of a PS surprise, it was a long shot but I would've loved it as I still own a decent ammount of digitally purchased games on PS3. I know it's likely impossible to emulate PS3 but they added hardware chips to PS3 to emulate PS2 games, I know they can but it's a money thing I suppose.

I was multiplatform previously owned the PS1 and 2 also but when PS4 was confirmed to not have PS3 BC my trust in their ecosystem took a hit also some other stuff which made me uncomfortable like the big data hack and their non-existent customer support.

I went Xbox One only this gen and when they started adding 360 games to my library automatically over time I knew I made the right choice. Also I fell in love with the 360 controller so the Xbox One controller which was an improved iteration of that was a big pro too to make the switch. I always hated the DS controllers.

 

[lachesis]

This is a good news for me. At least PS4 games would run a lot better than it did on originals. Perhaps I would get rid of my PS4 pro, and add the cost towards eventual SSD upgrade.

It's a terrible shame that they dropped the PS3/PS2/PS1 BC though. I would have loved to see the MGS4 running full 60fps and all.
Also what's even worse is not being able to move your PS5 games to external HDDs for storage too like Xbox does...

Granted, Xbox doesn't run all the old games (especially OG Xbox games) - but at least they've tried & implemented it - I am very much looking forward to visit some of the 360 games (like NG2) as well as original Xbox games.... and for that reason alone, I don't think I can call PS5 BC a "fantastic" one. It may be a fantastic for PS4 games, but when it leaves out 3 generation worth of games entirely... I don't know.

 

[mclaren777]

When it comes to a loading time test, Digital Foundry really need to play around with Gran Turismo Sport.

 

[FrankWza]

And the only game that mattered was left in the dust.
The world may not be mended and the hunt continues.

Patience

 

[Puskas]

I really want to see Driveclub in action.

Please DF, pretty please

 

[Justin9mm]

christ at the end of the video that scene from Killzone still pretty much blows everything ive seen to date out of the water... man that game was such a fucking looker and now running at 60fps...

Too bad the gameplay is shit.. I honestly started playing this again last month on my Pro.. I got it and completed it at launch but bought the digital copy on cheap sale and thought I would re-visit. I wish I hadn't!

The gameplay did not age well.. There are some beautiful looking scenes but the game was borderline unplayable with the AI, objectives etc. I went back and played it because I commented on how average it was a while ago on GAF and people were telling me I'm wrong. I think people forgot what it was like!

 

[Unknown?]

Has anyone played The Last Guardian on it yet?

 

[Skifi28]

I really want to see Driveclub in action.

Please DF, pretty please

Pretty sure it was 1080p30 locked? It won't be any different.

 

[Valued Gamer]

Good news.

 

[Gamer79]

Some of these games have locked frame rates. It does not matter how much power is thrown at them.

 

[Fake]

I don't care if you need to run your game at 320p. Let me lock to 60fps.

 

[ReBurn]

Pretty sure it was 1080p30 locked? It won't be any different.

It's not like there's anyone around left to update it, either.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

They just need to update me with the fact that they can do backwards compatibility on past console generations like PS3 PS2 PS1. Still got my fingers crossed that's one of the big surprises.

 

[Md Ray]

Under promise, over deliver.

 

[Mithos]

Any improvements for God of War or HZD?

Horizon Zero Dawn have a "Favour Resolution" and a "Favour Performance" mode, BUT...
They both is targeting 30fps, "Favour Resolution" is 4K Checkerboard, while "Favour Performance" is 1080p.
No unlocked modes here, so, a PS5 specific patch will be needed if we want native 4K and/or 60fps.

 

[Chiggs]

Any improvements for God of War or HZD?

No, God of War still has shitty bosses and a ginger brat sidekick, while Horizon Zero Dawn still has Aloy as the lead.

 

[WildBoy]

Digital Foundry are just trolling at this point. The praise seems more out of surprise that anything. John's comment in the Miles review that it has way more pedestrian traffic made me turn on Spiderman on my PS4 pro... NPCs everywhere and block to block traffic...

 

[Shmunter]

Glad to hear it. Can't wait to play the PS4 games I missed! Wonder why they weren't more forthcoming about it in their messaging.

Worth noting that one of the reasons for it "to run better than XSX" is this:

Man, games with the fidelity of e.g Days Gone at full fat 60!!?!! Get your fainting couch ready.

 

[Puskas]

Pretty sure it was 1080p30 locked? It won't be any different.

I’m almost willing to bet my left nut that Evo had the game running and were showcasing it at 60fps on at atleast one occasion. That was before they locked it to 30 due to the game looking pretty shit as a result.

 

[THE DUCK]

As I didn't get to tlou2 (loved the first) this is good news. Still hoping for a native patch for it though, either way I'm happy.

 

[Ozzie666]

This is highly positive coming from these guys. You get the feeling there were really impressed, above expectations. Both consoles are solid.

 

[bender]

Nioh/Nioh 2 helped set the trend for graphics options this past generation. I'd love to see them tested.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Digital Foundry are just trolling at this point. The praise seems more out of surprise that anything. John's comment in the Miles review that it has way more pedestrian traffic made me turn on Spiderman on my PS4 pro... NPCs everywhere and block to block traffic...

High off the ground? No Spiderman on PS4 Pro does not.

 

[Self]

Well, that is surprise...
Most last gen games will actually run better on PS5 compared to XSX.

Doesn't matter. Both perform excellent.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Call me when you can play PS3, PS2 and PS1 games on the PS5.

The BC on the PS5 is fantastic, but "turning into smoke"? Ridiculous hyperbole, as usual.

I didn’t know that the XSX can play games from those platforms.

 

[HarryKS]

No one thought of Nioh ?

 

[Mr Branding]

Bloodborne needs an update...man come on sony, wtf

Bloodborne Remaster, coming 2022, 70$