James Sawyer Ford
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Based on history. Mid gen refresh is….mid gen…that means 8 years
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PlayStation CEO Don’t See Consoles Disappearing Anytime Soon; PS5 Likely to Last Through Next-Gen Similar to PS4
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Based on history. Mid gen refresh is….mid gen…that means 8 years
nial
Member
Based on history with PS2, PS3, PS4, PSP and PS Vita would indicate a 7 year lifecycle.
I do think that PS6 is coming in 2028, but mostly because I believe that it'll launch with a handheld variant.
jm89
Member
The other comment that makes it feel like 2028 is the ps5 being on its latter half of it's life comment from Sony this year. Maybe I'm taking that too literally.
Also chip shortages delaying the start of this gen and ps5 pro coming out a bit later then the PS4 pro.
2027 feels too early and 2029 feels to late.
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IllegalLemon
Member
Then give people an incentive to buy them. People shouldn't wait until 4 years into a new generation for actual games, that take advantage of the hardware to show up.
Also, at this point, consoles are basically becoming near indistinguishable from pc's, give them some custom, exotic design choices in their hardware to differentiate and tell them apart from the reference design they attempt to piggyback off of, otherwise what's the point of owning one when you can just get a pc instead. With the current mindset these console manufacturers are going with, all consoles besides the switch will end up becoming irrelevant.
Also, at this point, consoles are basically becoming near indistinguishable from pc's, give them some custom, exotic design choices in their hardware to differentiate and tell them apart from the reference design they attempt to piggyback off of, otherwise what's the point of owning one when you can just get a pc instead. With the current mindset these console manufacturers are going with, all consoles besides the switch will end up becoming irrelevant.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Plenty of reasons
Fess
Member
Last gen was 7 years and Pro came after 3 years so who knows? Sounds like new hardware will come when the new tech is available. Hard to say what that means. He’s talking about not delaying the launch and putting out new products while people are using the current ones, that gets me thinking it’ll come sooner rather than later.
Or maybe he’s referring to some handheld coming in between if it takes to long to implement the new tech?
PendekarRajawali
Member
I'm more concerned about game developers' long-term sustainability due to rising development costs and decreasing ROI than the console maker itself.
Fess
Member
Yeah the PC ports broke the 1st party spell for me on PlayStation. Now I wait for improved PC ports or in rare cases double dip and gets grumpy over having bought the games twice.
A store/launcher with day 1 releases would work well for me. I don’t care if I have to sign in to psn. Goes against previous hate on other launchers but as long as I can insert the games in Steam and start from big screen mode it’s okay if not optimal.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I see Nishino is still operating under the impression that they will get PC players to sign up to PSN+ and maybe download games from a PlayStation Store instead of STEAM… neither of them will happen, but they started to believe they could which is why they keep focusing on this expanded audience. Nice to see this misguided notion detailed well.
In an interview about PlayStation’s 30th anniversary with Japanese publication Famitsu, Hideaki Nishino, Sony Interactive Entertaniment (SIE) Platform Business Group CEO, was asked a few things about the future of the brand.
PlayStation Boss Doesn’t Think the PS5 Will Affect the Release Timing of the PS6
PlayStation CEO Don't See Consoles Disappearing Anytime Soon; PS5 Likely to Last Through Next-Gen Similar to PS4
PlayStation co-CEO Hideaki Nishino says the PS5 will have a long lifecycle, but this shouldn't delay the release of the next console.mp1st.com
PC players have no desire to pay for online access and are not responding well to any store that is not Steam, not even when there are very generous giveaways. I do not see anything in a PS Store on PC that would change that. Not seeing their current store on their own console and the web interface showing any USP compelling enough for PC players and I do not look forward to the next wannabe STEAM that is miles away from its functionality and value.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Thank you for expressing well why pushing the PC approach harder is suicidal for them. They are not a company set to transition from platform holder and storefront keeper to multiplatform publisher (they are rather small and with a rather small volume).
You would never pay for PSN+ on PC nor buy third party games from their store so you are almost worthless to them (at best they get to keep console like margins on first party titles… while losing PSN+ subs and third party games royalties).
Fess
Member
Yeah no disagreement there, in short I am a PC gamer today because of console ports. Last generation when PS fans said that Xbox weren’t needed anymore since Xbox had no true exclusives is when I bought my first proper gaming PC. I weren’t interested in playing StarCraft or Age of Whatever or Counter Strike at 500fps in 300p or WOW. I wanted to play typical console games with improved visuals and higher framerates. I did the triple screen Forza Horizon 3 awesomeness at roughly 70fps when XB1 ran it at 30fps.
And for the longest time I’ve bought every single console because of exclusives. And now consoles don’t really have exclusives, so why do I need a console?
(except Nintendo’s consoles)
I mean like many here I have a PS5 Pro but now that I’ve platinumed Astro there isn’t many reasons for me to power it on. This is just how it is. I have all the other Sony exclusives I want to play on Steam, or awaits the ports coming this year, like Rebirth and Stellar Blade. One of my kids play Astro so that’s about it when it comes to usage now.
So yeah don’t understand their thinking tbh. I’m glad they’re doing ports since it gives me hope that I won’t need a potentially expensive PS6 when the time comes. But from a business perspective it seems dumb. They earn some pocket money for short term gain with the consequence of potentially extreme long term damage.
Unless they plan to be everywhere. Then PC ports could be one of many baby steps.
The xbox controller is built with the same fragile crap though. It's no better. It had the same price with none of the features too, until recently when hikes happened.
Calverz
Gold Member
So you wont buy a PS6 at launch?My PS5 Pro purchase is sounding better and better.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Even if they were everywhere, it still feels suicidal :/, so I hope that is not what they dream but are “just covering all bases and keeping investors without long term vision verbally happy”.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It's going to be even worse. Games are costing like over 200M to make. You really think Sony will want to have titles that expensive releasing on a piece of hardware that has like 10M units out there?
What kind of business do you think they are running?
I still think PS6 is 2028 and will maintain that.
Fess
Member
It would be suicidal for PlayStation consoles but not necessarily for the PlayStation ecosystem, if they go in on launchers and cloud etc they would sell more games and reach more people. But PlayStation consoles would likely either go away or decrease in sales dramatically. Look at MS. We’ll see how that goes… MS is clearly on an even wilder suicidal path from a platform holder perspective. Will Xbox exist in 2 years? Not the ”This is an Xbox” bs, the real Xbox.
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Rocco Schiavone
Member
After RDNA4 comes UDNA. There won't be RDNA5.
GymWolf
Member
I'm the final client i only care about not having half of their big titles being crossgen like they did with ps4 to ps5.
Knowing why they do that doesn't make it good nor i have to be happy about it.
So yeah. I'm still gonna trash them for releasing a large amount of crossgen, no matter the reason.
I'm sure M and N have their internal reasons for doing most of the things we don't like on gaf, but we still troll them, sony doesn't get a pass.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Not only will crossgen period be longer they will be releasing more PC games day one.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
MS has a lot more money they “could” deploy if it were assured they would kill one of the main rivals between them and a position closer to monopoly in gaming. They are a bigger publisher than Sony is right now.
Sony trying the same “let’s burn money” tactic would be daft. Take Sony’s gaming profits and remove a lot of the PSN+ subscriptions and third party royalties revenue and see how they finance their AAAA first party blockbusters. Aside from trying to get promoted and thus having an incentive to sell smoke, they must realise that they stand little chance to get lots of PC gamers to buy event first party games from Sony’s own store let alone third party ones or PSN+ subs… a lot of people would still buy Sony’s first party games on Steam so Sony would lose even more.
The people that like this path the most and are applauding Sony and trying to cheer them on and accelerate even more are die hard PlayStation haters with a chip on their shoulders
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I would much rather buy PS games from a PS launcher on PC. Might as well give that money to Sony to reinvest in games instead of giving it to Valve for no reason. All that does is take 30% out of Sony's pocket when they actually spend money on making games. It's shooting yourself in the foot as a game consumer. I'd do the same for a Nintendo PC store, and a MS PC store as long as they're on par with the console store UI offerings.
No one owes Valve any money if they're porting their own games to PC and they are capable of hosting a perfectly functional store, and I'd gladly participate in helping more store diversity gain traction as long as there aren't any glaring issues.
Hudo
Member
I mean, what else was he going to say? PS5 is selling pretty well, even though Sony aren't even trying anymore with their first-party*. Pretty good position to be in. I would be pretty happy in their position as well.
*Astro Bot is the first effort I have seen on that platform that is actually worth playing.
*Astro Bot is the first effort I have seen on that platform that is actually worth playing.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sorry, but I do not buy it (not sure many people would do the same as you, not sure you or I would even do it)
. The resistance when they even dare to put PSN Logins to games does not inspire confidence people would jump to another store just to give Sony more games… especially price conscious PC gamers. Same thing Nintendo saw with mobile gamers… they shout loudly but will not open their wallet unless micro transaction red to death when dopamine deprived.I think consumers have seen too many publishers getting out of Steam then sheepingly back in to just wait it out. I do not see Sony’s resolve to be stronger than their investors shrieks once they realise they just GamePassed / Xboxed their console golden goose. They are not exactly warning them of blood, sweat, and tears to be endured while they perform the slow transition.
Punished Miku
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It's usually a safe bet that they wouldn't lol. Hasn't stopped me yet though.
Unrivaledx88
Member
Thats fine , i wont get another next gen console if i dont see games first . Plus PS5 is a strong console for years to come in my opinion.
Games will likely look and run as good as ps6 for the first 3 years
Games will likely look and run as good as ps6 for the first 3 years
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GymWolf
Member
The only good thing coming out from this situation.
If they can manage to give me all games at day one i don't even need a ps6.
Fess
Member
I don’t think the Xbox division have access to Microsoft’s money in that way. That’s what many including myself thought but then they started closing studios and port games to PS5 and Switch and removed day 1 from standard Gamepass. Maybe Satya can loan them some money if he believes in what they’re doing but right now it seems like they’re on a strict budget like anybody else.MS has a lot more money they “could” deploy if it were assured they would kill one of the main rivals between them and a position closer to monopoly in gaming. They are a bigger publisher than Sony is right now.
Sony trying the same “let’s burn money” tactic would be daft. Take Sony’s gaming profits and remove a lot of the PSN+ subscriptions and third party royalties revenue and see how they finance their AAAA first party blockbusters. Aside from trying to get promoted and thus having an incentive to sell smoke, they must realise that they stand little chance to get lots of PC gamers to buy event first party games from Sony’s own store let alone third party ones or PSN+ subs… a lot of people would still buy Sony’s first party games on Steam so Sony would lose even more.
The people that like this path the most and are applauding Sony and trying to cheer them on and accelerate even more are die hard PlayStation haters with a chip on their shoulders
But that’s for another thread.
Regarding Sony’s future I agree that the spread out strategy is extremely risky. And to do ports in this frequency, there are literally more PC ports than 1st party console games released each year now.
And this idea that a PC-only gamer is going to buy a PlayStation console because of the ports is dumb. In reality the ports will only take away reasons to buy the console and those with both PC and console will start questioning if the console is needed.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I agree, but if I were Satya and Sony decided to change the rules to the game they play by to ones unfavourable to them and favourable to me and essentially showed their belly then it would be different.
It is up to Sony to decide to fully go in MS’s trap or pay lip service, flirt with the idea to keep investors happy, dip their toes here and there, but avoid doing anything putting their console business at risk… I hope they keep doing the latter as they have been doing now (… and exploit Xbox keeping on hurting itself as a console manufacturer…).
RCU005
Member
I thought GaaS was going to make me quit gaming, but this is also pushing me to the edge.
nial
Member
What a drama gal.
RodriGames40
Member
Tom Henderson? He's been right on the money with everything PS every single time.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Sony is going to have a hell of a time getting people to buy PS6 with the way they are going.
Fess
Member
I don’t think Microsoft is capable of doing traps. The left field threat is Valve. Sooner or later all launchers are failing and everyone comes to Steam. And Valve is about to launch SteamOS as a stand alone ecosystem OS, for handhelds, couch PCs, possibly console-like devices.
Sony needs to think about how to handle that. Can they keep releasing their games on Steam if there are SteamOS devices with competitive pricing?
asdasdasdbb
Member
While the PS5 (at it's $449 MSRP) is probably not sold at a loss, the margin is likely close to 0. Not sure an PC OEM would be able to get that cheap and be happy with the margin.
Now a $799 PS6... that would be interesting.
Forsete
Member
Consoles will be here for a long time.
Regular Svensson is not interested in downloading new drivers (or using DDU when something fucks up), fighting with Windows Update, fighting the computer to work with his peripherals.
He just wants to dive into the sofa, press the PS-button and get going.
Regular Svensson is not interested in downloading new drivers (or using DDU when something fucks up), fighting with Windows Update, fighting the computer to work with his peripherals.
He just wants to dive into the sofa, press the PS-button and get going.
asdasdasdbb
Member
That was 100% because Lego demanded it.
RCU005
Member
This made me laugh, because I thought I was being dramatic when I wrote the post, but didn't want to edit it.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
They’re not stupid. They see what is happening with EGS. They are literally giving away hundreds of games a year with no strings attached, have the most popular game in the world as an exclusive to their launcher, and still can’t claw away any real market share.
If Sony wanted to, they could have slapped together a barebones launcher like Rockstar did and make their games exclusive to it but they have wisely just used Steam. Honestly feels like all the hype has died around their games on PC. Lets see how Spiderman 2 does in a kinda crowded time to launch a game.