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PlayStation Network Thread (Vita/PS3/PS4) | September 2014

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I Wanna Be The Guy

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
autoduelist said:
They mention it sometimes, not 'never'. And that makes sense -- there is no need to mention vita everytime you talk about ps4. But if you're talking about AAA games on the Vita, it makes absolute sense to mention remote play.

It's not like if they stop talking about remote play we're suddenly going to be deluged in AAA vita games. Remote play IS the answer. So every time a journalist asks the question, they're going to get that answer.

There's no reason to be upset about it -- it'll sell some vitas. Not mentioning it would be far worse. I honestly don't understand even being a little bit bothered by it -- if I were Sony I'd be mentioning remote play every time the vita came up too.

I just don't see how mentioning remote play is any of the negative things you've said it is - 'stupid', 'arrogant'. I think it's great. It's proper messaging. They aren't saying everyone has a ps4... they're saying if you want to play upcoming AAA games on vita, remote play is your best bet. That's not stupid or arrogant, it's the truth. You may not like that truth, which is fine, but attributing words like 'stupid' and 'arrogant' to it just feels like bitterness. They're doing the best they can in a market that didn't adopt the vita. Be happy we all love it and are buried in backlog.
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I agree with this post so much.
 
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2+2=5

The Amiga Brotherhood
autoduelist said:
They mention it sometimes, not 'never'. And that makes sense -- there is no need to mention vita everytime you talk about ps4. But if you're talking about AAA games on the Vita, it makes absolute sense to mention remote play.

It's not like if they stop talking about remote play we're suddenly going to be deluged in AAA vita games. Remote play IS the answer. So every time a journalist asks the question, they're going to get that answer.

There's no reason to be upset about it -- it'll sell some vitas. To not mention it would be far worse if they didn't mention in interviews about the vita. I honestly don't understand even being a little bit bothered by it -- if I were Sony I'd be mentioning remote play every time the vita came up too.
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That's not my point, i'm not asking for Vita version of PS4 games or AAA games(well i want them but i'm not asking for them), what i want is:
-why there's no Vita version of X game?
-because reasons.

if they really want to advertise remote play then they are free to talk about it, but only after the answer to the real question, not at the place of the real answer.

Maybe i'm asking the Moon? Probably, but i'm tired of PR bullshits.
 
autoduelist

autoduelist

Member
2+2=5 said:
That's not my point, i'm not asking for Vita version of PS4 games or AAA games(well i want them but i'm not asking for them), what i want is:
-why there's no Vita version of X game?
-because reasons.

if they really want to advertise remote play then they are free to talk about it, but only after the answer to the real question, not at the place of the real answer.

Maybe i'm asking the Moon? Probably, but i'm tired of PR bullshits.
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But you (and we) already know the answer.
-They launched with a bunch of AAA exclusives like Uncharted, Vitas stayed on shelves.
-They brought us spinoffs of popular Sony franchises like KZ: Mercs and Resistance and they didn't sell.
-They got third parties to bring us spin offs / ports of popular franchises like Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and Borderlands 2... and people hated on them all.
-They created unique exclusives tailored to the hardware like Gravity Rush and Tearaway, and they didn't sell.

What do you want them to say? That? Why in the world would they say that in an interview? You need to stay positive in an interview and speak about the positives, not fester in the failures.

And those successes are huge:
1) They finally found a market Vita owners would embrace -- indies and localizations.
2) Remote play.

If an interviewer asks them if we're going to get, say, TLOU Vita, the only intelligent answer is to focus on remote play. Giving all the reasons the answer is 'no' would be... awful.

EDITED TO ADD: I'm currently playing Transitor on my Vita via remote play. It's fantastic, and will hold me over till Natural Doctrine. Now, Transistor would likely work on Vita, and perhaps we'll get it. But in the meantime? It's a fantastic option. Like, every time I use it I think it's black magic, and my wife is similarly amazed. Sony should be shouting about this tech from rooftops.

Vita is the best device for a dad, ever.
 
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v1perz53

Member
autoduelist said:
They mention it sometimes, not 'never'. And that makes sense -- there is no need to mention vita everytime you talk about ps4. But if you're talking about AAA games on the Vita, it makes absolute sense to mention remote play.

It's not like if they stop talking about remote play we're suddenly going to be deluged in AAA vita games. Remote play IS the answer. So every time a journalist asks the question, they're going to get that answer.

There's no reason to be upset about it -- it'll sell some vitas. Not mentioning it would be far worse. I honestly don't understand even being a little bit bothered by it -- if I were Sony I'd be mentioning remote play every time the vita came up too.

I just don't see how mentioning remote play is any of the negative things you've said it is - 'stupid', 'arrogant'. I think it's great. It's proper messaging. They aren't saying everyone has a ps4... they're saying if you want to play upcoming AAA games on vita, remote play is your best bet. That's not stupid or arrogant, it's the truth. You may not like that truth, which is fine, but attributing words like 'stupid' and 'arrogant' to it just feels like bitterness. They're doing the best they can in a market that didn't adopt the vita. Be happy we all love it and are buried in backlog.
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I also want to show my support for this post, with which I agree. I don't get mad about remote play talk, because I never in a million years thought the game would have been on vita if not for remote play. And if it isn't going to be native to Vita, I don't care why, they will just give me some PR spin answer anyway not the real reason (it isn't financially worth it to bring to to vita for them).

2+2=5 said:
Maybe i'm asking the Moon? Probably, but i'm tired of PR bullshits.
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You're never gonna get anything but PR bullshit. No dev is going to purposely talk about negatives when they can "spin" them into positives (remote play). No dev is going to out right say that a game isn't coming to Vita because it won't make them enough money, you can't really ever expect them to.
 
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I Wanna Be The Guy

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
autoduelist said:
But you (and we) already know the answer.
-They launched with a bunch of AAA exclusives like Uncharted, Vitas stayed on shelves.
-They brought us spinoffs of popular Sony franchises like KZ: Mercs and Resistance. and Tearaway, and they didn't sell.
-They got third parties to bring us spin offs / ports of popular franchises like Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and Borderlands 2... and people hated on them all.
-They created unique exclusives tailored to the hardware like Gravity Rush and Tearaway, and they didn't sell.

What do you want them to say? That? Why in the world would they say that in an interview? You need to stay positive in an interview and speak about the positives, not fester in the failures.

And those successes are huge:
1) They finally found a market Vita owners would embrace -- indies and localizations.
2) Remote play.

If an interviewer asks them if we're going to get, say, TLOU Vita, the only intelligent answer is to focus on remote play. Giving all the reasons the answer is 'no' would be... awful.
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Absolutely perfect response. You couldn't have put it any better.
 
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Takao

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Resistance and Killzone aren't popular series. Uncharted was never popular on handhelds. Instead of trying to make PlayStation 3: Portable, they should've made PSP2. They ignored the games that did well on that machine for reasons only known to them.

Kaybe said:
If you bought it previously I suppose it would be compatible.
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I don't believe Outrun 2006 on PSP ever got a PSN release. I know that Mega Man: Powered Up never received a PSN release outside of Japan and it's on SCEE's list.
 
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2+2=5

The Amiga Brotherhood
autoduelist said:
But you (and we) already know the answer.
-They launched with a bunch of AAA exclusives like Uncharted, Vitas stayed on shelves.
-They brought us spinoffs of popular Sony franchises like KZ: Mercs and Resistance. and Tearaway, and they didn't sell.
-They got third parties to bring us spin offs / ports of popular franchises like Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and Borderlands 2... and people hated on them all.
-They created unique exclusives tailored to the hardware like Gravity Rush and Tearaway, and they didn't sell.

What do you want them to say? That? Why in the world would they say that in an interview? You need to stay positive in an interview and speak about the positives, not fester in the failures.

And those successes are huge:
1) They finally found a market Vita owners would embrace -- indies and localizations.
2) Remote play.
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Precisely because we already know the answer there's no need to hide the truth.

Anyway it's not all Vita owners' fault, Resistance and COD were bad(and despite that COD sold well enough IIRC), AC ran bad, BL2 was a very late port of a game that everyone already had and ran bad(but sold well enough IIRC), maybe i'm wrong but i don't think that Uncharted, Gravity Rush and KZ:M bombed(especially considered the user base at the time), Tearaway was probably the only huge unforgivable fault of Vita owners :(
 
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Phototropic

Neo Member
I had assumed that any non-touch dependent game would work on PS TV. That makes it a little less of an impulse buy if it's just certain games.
 
autoduelist

autoduelist

Member
2+2=5 said:
That's the point, nothing to accomplish, nothing to hide, nothing to advertise, just the plain (sad)truth
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Holding them accountable (and furthermore, accusing them of stupidity and arrogance) for not taking this tact in interviews is, well, a bit much.

I mean, you're seriously asking them to effectively declare the Vita dead in an interview? This thread would melt, and we'd be so angry at Sony for throwing it under the bus our monitors might even catch on fire. Heck, if they just half mention in a blog post that the vita will be getting less AAA support (less, not 'none') there are threads popping up everywhere that the vita is dead.

The last thing they should ever, ever do in an interview is what you're suggesting. We'd freak out if they did that. Vitabros would be jumping off buildings.

We want Sony to stay positive. We want them to sell Vitas and PSTVs and expand the userbase. And that means focusing on the positives of the devices (indies, localizations, remote play, etc), not picking up a shovel.
 
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crinale

Member
cyborg009 said:
Got any non-spoiler screens?
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KnightHart said:
Any screenies anywhere? Harray for Spike-Chunsoft
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Just found a few.

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throwawayname

Member
Just finished Breath of Fire 3 on my Vita after I stuck in the desert and quit around 10 years ago on PS1. Awesome game and it's been a while that I finished a RPG.
Now give me a BoF 4 sale!
 
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v1perz53

Member
I Wanna Be The Guy said:
That's not tru.....oh on PS3. Fair point. Still Plus overall is still awesome thanks to Vita.
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We got what, 4 games for Vita this month thanks to cross-buy and plus? God I love cross-buy, as a Vita owner it is absolutely my favorite part of the Sony family of systems. But yea, this month for PS3 was pretty blah, hopefully next month will have some PS3 cross-buy games so that everyone can win.
 
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RalchAC

Member
autoduelist said:
I know you created a thread about this, but it's really worth mentioning that I don't think any of their answers are 'arrogant', 'stupid', or anything else.

They should be mentioning remote play in regards to Vita every chance they get. In fact, if they weren't, people would be complaining that they weren't. Instead of your post, we'd be hearing 'why the heck didn't [sony employee] mention you'll be able to play TLOU on vita through remote play when asked if Vita would get TLOU?!?'.

It's not only proper for them to mention it, it would be remiss for them not to. You really shouldn't take it personally, or as assuming all Vita owners have a ps4. It's just them bringing up a great feature.
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Remote Play and PSNow are the default answer Sony gives to everybody that asks for AAA games on Vita.

It was obvious that other publishers were going to follow suit. If I was a publisher and I didn't think development on Vita was worth I'd say that when people asked too. It's better than saying the console is useless for everybody that needs more than 200-300k sales for recouping costs.

autoduelist said:
But you (and we) already know the answer.
-They launched with a bunch of AAA exclusives like Uncharted, Vitas stayed on shelves.
-They brought us spinoffs of popular Sony franchises like KZ: Mercs and Resistance and they didn't sell.
-They got third parties to bring us spin offs / ports of popular franchises like Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and Borderlands 2... and people hated on them all.
-They created unique exclusives tailored to the hardware like Gravity Rush and Tearaway, and they didn't sell.

What do you want them to say? That? Why in the world would they say that in an interview? You need to stay positive in an interview and speak about the positives, not fester in the failures.

And those successes are huge:
1) They finally found a market Vita owners would embrace -- indies and localizations.
2) Remote play.

If an interviewer asks them if we're going to get, say, TLOU Vita, the only intelligent answer is to focus on remote play. Giving all the reasons the answer is 'no' would be... awful.

EDITED TO ADD: I'm currently playing Transitor on my Vita via remote play. It's fantastic, and will hold me over till Natural Doctrine. Now, Transistor would likely work on Vita, and perhaps we'll get it. But in the meantime? It's a fantastic option. Like, every time I use it I think it's black magic, and my wife is similarly amazed. Sony should be shouting about this tech from rooftops.

Vita is the best device for a dad, ever.
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Dude, things weren't as bright. Call of Duty was shit, Resistance was mediocre, AssCreed spin off releasing on the same day as mainline was an awful decision.

Vita's release schedule is a fucking mess. Killzone and Tearaway weren't gong to do good numbers after the drought in the first half in 2013. For selling consoles you need to fight for mindshare, you can't let your device vanish for 6-9 months and then releasing a game from a franchise that never was really big and a new IP in the same week as some of the biggest releases in the past 5 years.

Especially if you decide not to market them properly. And especially if they release with no marketing after the system has been for 9 months without major titles.

Wasn't the biggest Vita game in March 2013 Sly4? A cross buy budget retail release that launched on a much more popular system (PS3). At the same time, there were games like Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider or God of War on the PS3

I mean if I were Sony at this point I'd have fired everybody that worked on Vita's marketing team. Because they did a terrible job.

Market conditions weren't favourable, but let's not act as if they're victims of a market shift. Nintendo is handling the same market shift with a outdated and overpriced piece of hardware (compared to everything else in the market) yet they've been able to create a healthy ecosystem for their games.
 
Laws00

Laws00

Member
the 2 games i wanted, even though i know/knew you couldnt play them on pstv to begin with: uncharted and gravity rush

might as well kill myself now and find a ps vista or just wait till no one wants/sells the thing for 100 bucks
 
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TUSR

Banned
Laws00 said:
the 2 games i wanted, even though i know/knew you couldnt play them on pstv to begin with: uncharted and gravity rush

might as well kill myself now and find a ps vista or just wait till no one wants/sells the thing for 100 bucks
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ouch
 
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v1perz53

Member
Pandora012 said:
I think Sony sent me a new Vita. Is that normal to send something in and get a new product instead of the original?
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I'm not sure about new, but I know a lot of electronics manufacturers will send you a refurbished product instead of your original. Gets it back to you faster than waiting however long for them to fix the actual problem with what you sent in, and once they do fix it they just send that one to the next person with a problem as a refurb. Many times it is a new outside shell/screen with refurb innards or something. If you got a straight new Vita back that sounds awesome though.
 
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Pandora012

Member
v1perz53 said:
I'm not sure about new, but I know a lot of electronics manufacturers will send you a refurbished product instead of your original. Gets it back to you faster than waiting however long for them to fix the actual problem with what you sent in, and once they do fix it they just send that one to the next person with a problem as a refurb. Many times it is a new outside shell/screen with refurb innards or something. If you got a straight new Vita back that sounds awesome though.
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Cool it looks new, no scratches anywhere.
 
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