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[PhoenixDark]

Now we wait. If the polls don't look clearly in Obama's favor by next week, something is wrong. Obviously he'll still be down in Gallup and may be down or tied in Ras, but there needs to be a more clear state shift to determine who is actually sealing the deal.

 

[RustyNails]

Now we wait. If the polls don't look clearly in Obama's favor by next week, something is wrong. Obviously he'll still be down in Gallup and may be down or tied in Ras, but there needs to be a more clear state shift to determine who is actually sealing the deal.

Didn't PPP say Obama was leading the swing state voters by 4-5 point margin?

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Criticize, sure, but belitte?

I don't recall McCain being snarky in the debates.

All McCain did was belittle.

 

[Puddles]

Ignore everything Cheebo writes about the election, most of it is flat wrong. Also before you start talking about "momentum" keep in mind that 538 has specific modeling of perceived momentum in polls and look what's happening there.

Cheebs has a master's degree. Do you have one of those? I'm inclined to believe Cheebs, since he has a master's degree.

 

[Sirpopopop]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONfJ7YSXE5w

You're remembering the sequence of events wrong. McCain put out the Bill Ayers ads, he attacked Obama on that "connection" relentlessly using heated rhetoric. He only pulled back because he was shocked by the crowd reactions and by condemnations from John Louis and Colin Powell.

I don't think McCain necessarily meant to imply he was a terrorist. He probably just wanted to tie Obama to the "radical left." Yet, it's apparent that people on the right would imply he was stating Obama was a terrorist (they probably already believed this anyway).

I give McCain credit for realizing that this style of campaigning was taking him to a place where he didn't want to go. I realize that towards the end of September the election was trending far away from him, and he was hopeless, and that's probably why he tried this stunt.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Well this is downright unsettling:



http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/22/error-filled-instructions-are-sent-to-ohio-voters/

In 2004, my mom (who generally votes Republican) in Ohio told me that there were signs posted at her polling station that said Republicans vote today (and gave the date) and Democrats vote tomorrow (with that day's date). It's nothing new.

 

[Clevinger]

In 2004, my mom (who generally votes Republican) in Ohio told me that there were signs posted at her polling station that said Republicans vote today (and gave the date) and Democrats vote tomorrow (with that day's date). It's nothing new.

I don't think there's anything in politics that pisses me off like voter suppression.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Didn't PPP say Obama was leading the swing state voters by 4-5 point margin?

We need state by state polls.

 

[The Librarian]

Cheebs has a master's degree. Do you have one of those? I'm inclined to believe Cheebs, since he has a master's degree.

I like to jump in puddles.

 

[Mercury Fred]

I don't think there's anything in politics that pisses me off like voter suppression.

Yeah, I think people who participate in it should be tried on terror charges.

 

[786110]

A pdf of the Obama pamphlet

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/10/jobs_plan_booklet1_part2.html

 

[Forever]

I don't think McCain necessarily meant to imply he was a terrorist.

Then you are very naive.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Cheebs has a master's degree. Do you have one of those? I'm inclined to believe Cheebs, since he has a master's degree.

From which website?

 

[Sirpopopop]

Then you are very naive.

Then you are just very cynical and partisan. I don't see the point in focusing solely on the negative and creating narratives to make the other side out into demons.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Didn't PPP say Obama was leading the swing state voters by 4-5 point margin?

Their state polls don't show that. That was in relation to last night's debate and the immediate response of people polled. This isn't over until a candidate starts pulling away in states that matter. Obama is pulling away in Nevada while Romney pulls away in NC, but neither will determine the election.

We're sort of in a holding pattern waiting to see where the ground shifts. I thought Obama's second debate performance would have an impact and it didn't, for instance. Despite the unpopular focus on foreign policy, final debates seem more important than second debates. If Obama doesn't see a bump from that either, who knows what will happen

 

[The Librarian]

Then you are very naive.

Then you are just very cynical and partisan.

Then you boys are being very rude with your quips!

 

[Salvadora]

Any new polls out since last night?

 

[Tamanon]

This is CNN's front page headline right now.

Eh, it's at least an improvement over their "Is Obama a 'right' Christian?" nonsense!

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Then you are just very cynical and partisan. I don't see the point in focusing solely on the negative and creating narratives to make the other side out into demons.

McCain took offense to Obama in many ways. He allowed the Right to frame Obama as a Muslim, terrorist, communist, not a citizen. He allowed and had a hand in framing Obama as The Other which still exists today. McCain wasnt going to win on being a better candidate and he knew it. He tried to scare the voters into voting for him. He also chose Palin who never ceased using the Bill Ayers or Rev Wright talking point. So no, there is no comparison. Btw, I voted for McCain.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Cheebs has a master's degree. Do you have one of those? I'm inclined to believe Cheebs, since he has a master's degree.

He's also getting married soon. His education and life experience make it hard to dismiss his views so casually

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

He's also getting married soon. His education and life experience make it hard to dismiss his views so casually

PD: you are PoliGAFs very own Romney.

 

[Chichikov]

This is CNN's front page headline right now.

I fucking hate it when news organizations publish pieces with question in their titles.
Hey idiots, you're not a Damon Lindelof movie, you are about the answers.

That being said, that's actually a good headline for Obama.

 

[The Lamonster]

I fucking hate it when news organizations publish pieces with question in their titles.
Hey idiots, you're not a Damon Lindelof movie, you are about the answers.

That being said, that's actually a good headline for Obama.

Jon Stewart nailed it in 2006

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-13-2006/the-question-mark

 

[codhand]

prediction

this debate was a ratings bomb

 

[pigeon]

Jonathan Chait accidentally spills the beans:

In recent days, the vibe emanating from Mitt Romney’s campaign has grown downright giddy. Despite a lack of any evident positive momentum over the last week — indeed, in the face of a slight decline from its post-Denver high — the Romney camp is suddenly bursting with talk that it will not only win but win handily. (“We’re going to win,” said one of the former Massachusetts governor’s closest advisers. “Seriously, 305 electoral votes.”)
This is a bluff. Romney is carefully attempting to project an atmosphere of momentum, in the hopes of winning positive media coverage and, thus, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy....
The current landscape is slightly different. The race is also very close, but Obama enjoys a clear electoral college lead. He is ahead by at least a couple points in enough states to make him president. Adding to his base of uncontested states, Nevada, Ohio, and Wisconsin would give Obama 271 electoral votes. According to the current polling averages compiled at fivethirtyeight.com, Obama leads by 3.5 percent, Ohio by 2.9 percent, and Wisconsin by 4 percent. Should any of those fail, Virginia and Colorado are nearly dead even. (Obama leads by 0.7 percent and 1.0 percent, respectively.) If you don’t want to rely on Nate Silver — and you should rely on him! — the polling averages at realclearpolitics, the conservative-leaning site, don’t differ much, either.
If you look closely at the boasts emanating from Romney’s allies, you can detect a lot of hedging and weasel-words. Rob Portman calls Ohio a “dead heat,” which is a way of calling a race close without saying it’s tied. A Romney source tells Mike Allen that Wisconsin leans their way owing to Governor Scott Walker’s “turnout operation.” That is campaign speak for “we’re not winning, but we hope to make it up through turnout.”
Obama’s lead is narrow — narrow enough that the polling might well be wrong and Romney could win. But he is leading, his lead is not declining, and the widespread perception that Romney is pulling ahead is Romney’s campaign suckering the press corps with a confidence game.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/romney-says-hes-winning-its-a-bluff.html

SO STOP FALLING FOR IT

 

[Clevinger]

I fucking hate it when news organizations publish pieces with question in their titles.
Hey idiots, you're not a Damon Lindelof movie, you are about the answers.

That being said, that's actually a good headline for Obama.

lol

And fully agreed.

 

[Eidan]

I don't think McCain necessarily meant to imply he was a terrorist. He probably just wanted to tie Obama to the "radical left." Yet, it's apparent that people on the right would imply he was stating Obama was a terrorist (they probably already believed this anyway).

I give McCain credit for realizing that this style of campaigning was taking him to a place where he didn't want to go. I realize that towards the end of September the election was trending far away from him, and he was hopeless, and that's probably why he tried this stunt.

I worked for a polling firm during the 08 election. One of the reasons the McCain campaign refrained from going full throttle with the Ayers attacks is because they simply didn't poll well. The charge was too outlandish and only helped to diminish Obama's numbers slightly, while also lowering McCain's.

 

[Incognito]

messina, obama campaign director:

"Here's the most important thing to remember 14 days out: We are tied or ahead in every battleground state."

"We're ahead of where we were against McCain"

"minority voting is going to reach an all-time high this year"

"we're not leaving anywhere where we're tied or ahead."

"R may be getting more early votes than McCain but "the electorate is bigger this year and our turnout is too"

 

[Chichikov]

Jon Stewart nailed it in 2006

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-13-2006/the-question-mark

Yeah, this shit is straight from the tabloid playbook -
Did Madonna had a threesome with Justin Beiber and Wilford Brimley?
Either way, you can't sue as we're only posing the question!

It's really shameful that we're seeing that crap in political journalism.

 

[darkside31337]

prediction

this debate was a ratings bomb

There certainly were a fair amount of things to watch, imagine there were a large percentage of guys watching the NLCS / MNF instead.

 

[Clevinger]

messina, obama campaign director:

"We're ahead of where we were against McCain"

What?

 

[HylianTom]

Jonathan Chait accidentally spills the beans:

Oh my. That was refreshing.

And damn.. we're getting close to the end of this thread. Pretty good timing.

 

[Brinbe]

Jonathan Chait accidentally spills the beans:



http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/romney-says-hes-winning-its-a-bluff.html

SO STOP FALLING FOR IT

This is p. clear and infuriating to most of us in here who watch every poll and track this race on a daily basis, but it's not surprising that the media is complicit in encouraging this bullshit.

 

[Eidan]

Jon Stewart nailed it in 2006

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-13-2006/the-question-mark

He looks so young and full of energy.

 

[The Librarian]

PoliGAF |OT5| "I've got polls here!"

 

[Learn2read]

One of Sully-the-Pooh's readers:

Mitt Romney's opinions on foreign policy have in almost every case (Iran, Afghanistan, Libya) evolved over many months and years to the precise position that President Obama has executed while. in. office - when the situation was happening in real time, when mistakes actually matter. And then, after all that is established, Romney actually has the nerve to invent a way to complain that our president didn't do it quite good enough. And he, Mitt Romney, unable to even step foot in London without negative consequences, would have done it much better.

I wish Obama had prepared something alongs those lines - it could've been devastating. He still curbstomped tho

 

[Sirpopopop]

McCain took offense to Obama in many ways. He allowed the Right to frame Obama as a Muslim, terrorist, communist, not a citizen. He allowed and had a hand in framing Obama as The Other which still exists today. McCain wasnt going to win on being a better candidate and he knew it. He tried to scare the voters into voting for him. He also chose Palin who never ceased using the Bill Ayers or Rev Wright talking point. So no, there is no comparison. Btw, I voted for McCain.

The Right was always going to frame Obama as a Muslim, terrorist, and communist. They've been using these tactics ever since Richard Nixon opened the door for the dixiecrats to switch parties, by reviving the "states' rights" doctrine. It worked in 2004 when they framed John Kerry as a traitor. They even did it to McCain in 2000. He has no control over these forces, and neither does Romney. The worrying thing about either of their presidencies is that in order for them to be re-elected they need to toss some bones to these guys, and if it's a decent policy idea you can bet your ass these guys won't be for it. McCain can't stem the tide of these forces. He can only back away, which I felt he did, in the end.

He didn't choose Palin to perpetuate this "Other" narrative. He choose her because he needed a "Wild Card" and that based on the fundamentals he was going to lose this election. He was from an incumbent party that did a horrible job. Our normally conservative electorate, had no interest in rewarding the incumbent party with four more years in office.

Sarah Palin was the result of a mismanaged campaign team that didn't properly vet the VP candidate.

Regardless, I'm not going to win this argument in this setting.

 

[pigeon]

This is p. clear and infuriating to most of us in here who watch every poll and track this race on a daily basis, but it's not surprising that the media is complicit in encouraging this bullshit.

I agree, although Chait seems to think that they're actually just not very good at understanding statistics, which is not impossible. Sometimes I think that journalism attracts the wrong kind of people -- the best journalists would probably be the ones who kind of hate existing journalism and aren't that interested in the stories people tell them. Tough sell.

 

[mckmas8808]

It's basically about who was a better cars salesman rather than who was trying to sell you a better car.

This is the best way to explain the media's view of Presidential debates.

 

[The Librarian]

Jonathan Chait accidentally spills the beans:



http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/romney-says-hes-winning-its-a-bluff.html

SO STOP FALLING FOR IT

BB just tweeted that article with this one.

 

[Dude Abides]

The Right was always going to frame Obama as a Muslim, terrorist, and communist. They've been using these tactics ever since Richard Nixon opened the door for the dixiecrats to switch parties, by reviving the "states' rights" doctrine. It worked in 2004 when they framed John Kerry as a traitor. They even did it to McCain in 2000. He has no control over these forces, and neither does Romney. The worrying thing about either of their presidencies is that in order for them to be re-elected they need to toss some bones to these guys, and if it's a decent policy idea you can bet your ass these guys won't be for it. McCain can't stem the tide of these forces. He can only back away, which I felt he did, in the end.

He didn't choose Palin to perpetuate this "Other" narrative. He choose her because he needed a "Wild Card" and that based on the fundamentals he was going to lose this election. He was from an incumbent party that did a horrible job. Our normally conservative electorate, had no interest in rewarding the incumbent party with four more years in office.

Sarah Palin was the result of a mismanaged campaign team that didn't properly vet the VP candidate.

Regardless, I'm not going to win this argument in this setting.

The election is in two weeks - the four legs good two legs bad mentality is at its apex.

 

[electricpirate]

"We're ahead of where we were against McCain"

What?

I'm guessing he means in total banked votes, as the percentages look like they'll be slightly closer in terms of early voting.

On the other hand, he could just be making shit up.

On the OTHER hand, Early voting has actually improved for Obama in Florida at least.

SO MANY HANDS

 

[TiVo]

I don't think McCain necessarily meant to imply he was a terrorist. He probably just wanted to tie Obama to the "radical left." Yet, it's apparent that people on the right would imply he was stating Obama was a terrorist (they probably already believed this anyway).

I give McCain credit for realizing that this style of campaigning was taking him to a place where he didn't want to go. I realize that towards the end of September the election was trending far away from him, and he was hopeless, and that's probably why he tried this stunt.

C'mon son. He sent Palin out to say palling around with terrorists. And don't pull the "she went rouge" bullshit she was on message.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

This is CNN's front page headline right now.

Complain if you must, but that's a great headline for Obama. It makes it a foregone conclusion that he spanked Romney hard. If the only "issue" is one of politeness, is also works against the "apology" meme.

Seriously, however they meant it, great headline.

 

[Sirpopopop]

I worked for a polling firm during the 08 election. One of the reasons the McCain campaign refrained from going full throttle with the Ayers attacks is because they simply didn't poll well. The charge was too outlandish any only helped to diminish Obama's numbers slightly, while also lowering McCain's.

That's fair.

Yet, if McCain is truly the worst of the worst, wouldn't he just take the Eric Cantor route, and just refuse to criticize Birther types.

 

[speculawyer]

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lol

 

[gcubed]

BB just tweeted that article with this one.

I don't remember dem's being so oblivious to their chances during the Kerry/Bush election.

 

[PhoenixDark]

"We're ahead of where we were against McCain"

What?

Not buying that at all. October 08 was already a done deal. Romney is well within striking distance this month

 

[gcubed]

Not buying that at all. October 08 was already a done deal. Romney is well within striking distance this month

I would assume he's limiting that to early voting.

 

[-PXG-]

This is CNN's front page headline right now.

Fuck me. Really. No, he wasn't. About Damn time Obama called today out for his, side stepping flip flopping bullshit.

God damn CCN