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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Hahahaha.
zero shift
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Damn people, I just wanted to see if we could get some variety on the site. Like some of the negatives of women in combat roles. The place just seems to have very similar types of topics and I feel that it may appeal to more people with a bit more variety.
...I'm a Socialist.
makingmusic476
Member
Which he makes abundantly clear in my thread "What is socialism? ITT: We talk about socialism."
/plugging for more posts
zero shift
Banned
If you are referring to my negative tone of the topic that's because people kept sighting examples of "Communism" and not the brand of Socialism that I identify with.
empty vessel
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I suspect you're confused.
zero shift
Banned
I support workers controlling their workplaces by voting and elected officials and a notablly sized government to help and aid the populace while also owning key industries like banks and oil companies, in which the citizens of the populace can vote in who has power over those industies. Socialism.
empty vessel
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That's great. It doesn't mean you aren't confused. (I've read some of your post history.)
zero shift
Banned
Enlighten me. I love hearing other opinions and views.
jamesinclair
Banned
No one caves like a democrat.
Just when you think the last of the avalanche is over....
You folks need me to submit some posts eh?
I think you folks would enjoy my satire
http://stopandmove.blogspot.com/2013/01/trains-go-on-strike-to-demand-better.html
Dr. Pangloss
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Messaging on the Virginia EV change is simple. Just need a simple slogan that you can shout, "One person, one vote." Something that focuses on the issue of weighing the urban centers less than rural. Also, changing a system is hard as we saw with Obamacare. It leads to backlash especially if it is with something that has been around since the birth of the Republic.
Shadow Hog
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Why look so far back? Just look at the gun debate; some people wouldn't be happy with anything less than the status quo.
I've said it before, but I think that's exactly the right analogy. Look how well "they're coming to take away your guns!" works even when it's not true. Democrats should start yelling "they're coming to take away your vote!" and not stop until they control VA state government. Everyone's vote in Virginia is less likely to be a difference-maker under the proposed change.
makingmusic476
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I was backing you up!
wsoxfan1214
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CoffeeJanitor
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You're still missing the point.
speculawyer
Member
Yeah, I guess I was wrong.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/...r-caving-to-republicans-on-filibuster-reform/
Al-ibn Kermit
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But the EC votes are proportional to state population. Why would any state want to have the presidential candidate with over 50% of the vote to get every single EC vote?
It only makes sense for the candidates to focus on the most populous purple states.
No they're not. States get 2 bonus EC votes in addition to their proportional votes. This is perhaps not a huge deal now, but the most EVs any state got in the first election was 12.
States might want to be winner-take-all because it makes them more important. There's a huge return on appealing to the median voter in a winner-take-all state. And things were less solid way back when such that I doubt particular states anticipated being uncompetitive for several elections in a row.
We also talk now as if some states are just red or blue as a fact of nature and as if they don't matter. But it's only individual voters in those states who don't matter. Texas and California have a huge impact on presidential elections. If Texas disappeared tomorrow, presidential candidates would have to be somewhat more liberal to compete. Candidates don't have a reason to make special promises to Texans, but Texas' EVs drag the median EV to the right on issues of national importance. They have a stronger effect because Texas is winner-take-all. If Texas were not - if it assigned EVs proportionally - then it would only have about 1/5 as much of an impact on the median EV. Being winner-take-all sacrifices some ability to force candidates to make Texas-specific promises in exchange for making both candidates more conservative.
eBay Huckster
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Petition to change the thread title to NPVGAF 2013 |OT1|
Rocket Scientist
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My cartoons regarding the extreme liberal slant of the blog were correct. Bow before me for I am nostradamus.
wsoxfan1214
Banned
Truly a remarkably difficult prediction to make.
zero shift
Banned
Sorry. Its just that so many people on this thread are ganging up on me since I made that comment. Its making me paranoid.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Shot glasses would be more apropos.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/abolitionists/
Watched a rerun of the final part to this tonight and it's amusing how it emphasizes how much Lincoln waffled on shit, even if he managed to do the right thing in the end. Obama might be taking too much from his example, especially when we lack the same firebrands pulling him to the left.
Watched a rerun of the final part to this tonight and it's amusing how it emphasizes how much Lincoln waffled on shit, even if he managed to do the right thing in the end. Obama might be taking too much from his example, especially when we lack the same firebrands pulling him to the left.
Black Mamba
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Mali is the new Benghazi?
MALI MALI MALI MALI MALI
MALI
Lincoln is such a fascinating character in history. There's so much I disagree with what he did in pure terms but that I also must admit, given the moment in history, that he ultimately seemed to have made the right choices, though they were hard.
I have to check out that American Experience episode, missed it. I love American Experience, wish they would release a Blu-Ray/DVD combo set of episodes. I would buy it in a heart beat.
Black Mamba
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More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/dave-camp-bank-tax-bill_n_2545894.html
Wow. GOP legislation I can get behind? lol @ them being mad at Wall Street and trying to get back at them. This will not end well for them.
I would love them to tax derivatives and help struggling homeowners permanently.
Unintentional conservative admission "Bush mission accomplished" was a misleading stunt?
Given the context, Mali must be the new Iraq?
Benghazi itself was of course the new "went into war with Iraq under false pretenses".
No. Benghazi was the worst thing to happen since 9/11
Worse than a Muslim stealing two presidential elections?
Anyone familiar with PoliGAF threads would know that a blog done by us would be various degrees of "left." it's a blog, not a news site, we don't have to play the beltway "both sides!!!" card if we don't believe it. Unless someone wants to for some reason, I doubt anyone is going to write a counter to a "liberal" post if they legitimately don't believe it.
zero shift
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Fair point. Keep in mind I'm new here. I just thought that it would be nice to have a bit of variety to attract more readers as well as to add some counterpoint. It was just a suggestion.
I welcome a difference in opinion. I'd love to see some more conservatives post there.
The Librarian
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So the only reason I don't like voter ID laws is because I'm a Democrat? It can't be because it makes it harder for poor people to vote? I'm only against it because it hurts my party?
Is that what you're saying? I'm trying to understand you here.
LOL
The Librarian
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I don't understand how you have so much time to read this forum anyway, being the vice president and all.
Wait, that makes sense.
Papa Joe's gotta do something between marathons of Parking Wars.
The Librarian
Banned
At least this keeps you from stalking the halls of the White House like Johnson did during the Kennedy administration. Dude had nothing else to do, so sometimes he would hang out there for hours at a time just looking around.
Guileless
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There have been occasional conservative posters through the years. The problem is that if you post something contra to the GAF consensus, your post will be quoted multiple times by people calling you an idiot and/or asshole (plus some occasional good faith disagreement, to be sure). Trying to respond as the various discussion threads multiply from the original point gets increasingly difficult.
That sounds like a damn good proposal, at least, at first glance.
zero shift
Banned
I see what you mean. I've just been called "very right wing" and "I don't know what true liberalism is" because people took my post insanely out of context.
RustyNails
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This is where the whole discussion on Lincoln started a few pages back when we were ranking presidents. I was of the opinion that lincoln was sort of a political opportunist.
RustyNails
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This was the exact impetus to set up the blog in the first place. This is why Wolf Blitzer stares at us, and Reality has a liberal bias. I hope we can touch up the layout a little bit and add these quotes.
I am always amazed that in the GOPs fight to appeal to black voters they tout themselves as the party of Lincoln... could you imagine, in any scenario today, where a president would do something like the emancipation proclamation? How about throwing away the first amendment?
The touting of Lincoln as a fellow GOPer is plain ignorance to who the man was
RustyNails
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It stems from the GOP platform "Party of Lincoln"...It's not. Lincoln embodied BIG GUBMINT, the largest use of Federal power in our history. The ignorance of calling Lincoln a GOPer is not only due to who he was, but also a plain ignorance of our political history.
i mean, for all the rhetoric given to Obama killing the constitution, i find it humorous, and slightly telling (telling that they are dumb as a box of rocks) that they then turn around and proudly espouse Lincoln as their own... the man who, you know, actually did trample on the constitution
While Guileless does make a good point, the other reason why there's barely any conservativse/libertarians in PoliGAF is because most only show up when they have something to brag about. REad the first Obama vs Romney debate thread if you want want to see this in action. (but they sure like to claim they lurk PoliGAF)
In fact, there's actually a decent amount of conservatives/libertarians on GAF, or have been on GAF. A lot tend to get perma-banned eventually. I tend to believe the bannings are due to them living in the Fox News/Conservative Media bubble, and having a meltdown when their beliefs are challenged here. I really enjoyed BigSicily's meltdown.
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