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[speculawyer]

So can Harry Reid just put together a bill that does what the Dems want (whatever that is) and add a few sweeteners to attract a few GOP House members to pass it with the House Dems? Just pick off 15 or so GOP House votes and be done.

Edit: I guess that won't work. How do you negotiate with people that would rather crash the government than raise taxes 3% on people making a million/year?

 

[B-Dubs]

I guess you have more faith in the house than i do

If the Dems to their job right, it will come down to either cave or completely give up the 2014 elections. Can you imagine the commercials? "So-and-so didn't vote to cut you're taxes, to help the poor or the unemployed, all so they could help their fat cat friends" It'll all come down to can the Dems not screw it up and if Obama has learned to herd cats or not.

 

[Chichikov]

Not sure Boehner can survive this. All he did was prove he can't pass anything with the GOP. Not Obama's plan, not his plan.

His only hope is to strike a real deal with house democrats and hope that the public support for it is enough for him weather the Norquist storm and get most non tea-party Republicans behind him.

I don't know if it will work, I think it might, a tailwind from opinion polls can do wonders to elected officials, but I don't see how he can retain his job otherwise.

Edit:

Plan B was an abortion.

The conservatives were right all along.

Orson Welles Clap.gif

 

[The Chosen One]

Did Boehner just commit self-ownage?

 

[Piecake]

So can Harry Reid just put together a bill that does what the Dems want (whatever that is) and add a few sweeteners to attract a few GOP House members to pass it with the House Dems? Just pick off 15 or so GOP House votes and be done.

Do you think Republicans would bite/like on a corporate - capital gains tax swap? Basically eliminate the corporate tax and raise the capital gains rate to some point to make it revenue neutral. Im not going to pretend to know a whole lot about economics, but it does make sense to me

 

[Black Mamba]

Alan West on Hannity. And blaming Obama because he already was gonna reject it.

LMAO.

 

[watershed]

Republicans are unwilling to compromise, even in support of their own legislation.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Dow futures casually down 262 as of 8:19

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[B-Dubs]

Alan West on Hannity. And blaming Obama because he already was gonna reject it.

LMAO.

Alan West lost, why is he on Hannity? Man needs to take a hint and go the fuck away.

 

[heliosRAzi]

This entire thing is simply hilarious

 

[Doc Holliday]

His only hope is to strike a real deal with house democrats and hope that the public support for it is enough for him weather the Norquist storm and get most non tea-party Republicans behind him.

I don't know if it will work, I think it might, a tailwind from opinion polls can do wonders to elected officials, but I don't see how he can retain his job otherwise.

Thats what i would do. Two birds with one stone..neuter the tea party and public approval.

 

[Black Mamba]

Did Boehner just commit self-ownage?

I prefer the term Seppuku.

Maddow going ham on the conservatives. hah.

 

[el retorno]

Alan West on Hannity. And blaming Obama because he already was gonna reject it.

LMAO.

"Americans elected a republican congress"

yea they didn't, you gerrymandered a republican congress.

 

[Officerrob]

Alan West on Hannity. And blaming Obama because he already was gonna reject it.

LMAO.

Even though West said he would have voted against it himself.........LOL

 

[tranciful]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ers-speakership-survive-until-plan-c/?hpid=z1



Will Boehner crawl to Pelosi?

At this point, I feel like any positive sign is too good to be true

 

[B-Dubs]

Thats what i would do. Two birds with one stone..neuter the tea party and public approval.

Same here, the problem is that Norquist and the Tea Party will be gunning for him like nothing we've seen before if he does.

 

[speculawyer]

Do you think Republicans would bite/like on a corporate - capital gains tax swap? Basically eliminate the corporate tax and raise the capital gains rate to some point to make it revenue neutral. Im not going to pretend to know a whole lot about economics, but it does make sense to me

That sounds like a great idea to me. But understanding Republicans? . . . that is way beyond me.

 

[Link]

Wait for hannity

Oh, I'm DVRing it.

Alan West lost, why is he on Hannity? Man needs to take a hint and go the fuck away.

Test run for his upcoming show.

 

[speculawyer]

Alan West lost, why is he on Hannity? Man needs to take a hint and go the fuck away.

No . . . keep him around. Maybe we can get a few more losses out of him.

 

[el retorno]

Test run for his upcoming show.

:-( too true

Lol at Maddow's puppy metaphor

 

[B-Dubs]

Oh, I'm DVRing it.

Test run for his upcoming show.

If Alan West gets a show we should pitch a PoliGAF show to MSNBC, god knows it would be more informative/entertaining.

 

[Cloudy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ers-speakership-survive-until-plan-c/?hpid=z1



Will Boehner crawl to Pelosi?

From his comments, it looks like he's done. His gambit let the House Dems know that their votes are needed to pass anything that's not a non-starter in the Senate. We are going over the cliff cos Obama won't make any more concessions to such a weak speaker...

 

[Piecake]

That sounds like a great idea to me. But understanding Republicans? . . . that is way beyond me.

I think it would definitely play well in the press as well. You could obviously paint this move as extremely pro-business and anti-wall street. 65% approval rating assured

 

[watershed]

Why does Obama continue to be open to further compromised with republicans when all they do is show they aren't willing to do the same? I just read that Obama signaled he is willing to move the tax increase level up to $700,000 or $800,000.

 

[PhoenixDark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F56fEyNOTVM

He looks quite amused...

 

[el retorno]

Why does Obama continue to be open to further compromised with republicans when all they do is show they aren't willing to do the same? I just read that Obama signaled he is willing to move the tax increase level up to $700,000 or $800,000.

Screw that noise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F56fEyNOTVM

He looks quite amused...

That just looks like the standard put on a happy face. He doesn't really look happy.

 

[speculawyer]

The measure, dubbed “Plan B,” would have let Bush-era tax cuts expire on income above $1 million annually, while extending them for everyone else. It appeared that Boehner faced a rebellion from conservatives opposed to any tax hike, while House Democrats starved the bill of their support, making passage impossible.

Boehner’s dramatic defeat cast fresh doubt on efforts to avert the “fiscal cliff” and spare Americans across-the-board income tax hikes come Jan. 1. Those increases, coupled with deep automatic spending cuts scheduled to take effect the same day, could plunge the fragile economy into a new recession. Talks between the speaker and President Barack Obama were at a stalemate, according to aides on both sides.

So if people getting $1Million/year don't get their tax cut THEN NO ONE GETS A TAX CUT!


I don't understand anything anymore.

 

[Link]

Why does Obama continue to be open to further compromised with republicans when all they do is show they aren't willing to do the same? I just read that Obama signaled he is willing to move the tax increase level up to $700,000 or $800,000.

Where did you read that? That's ridiculous.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Why does Obama continue to be open to further compromised with republicans when all they do is show they aren't willing to do the same? I just read that Obama signaled he is willing to move the tax increase level up to $700,000 or $800,000.

I think he wants them to hang themselves. It's not even 11th dimensional chess, at this point.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Hannity: you mad bro.

 

[B-Dubs]

I think he wants them to hang themselves. It's not even 11th dimensional chess, at this point.

Didn't they JUST do that though? Talk about kicking a guy when he's down, I kind of love it.

Hannity: you mad bro.

:lol

 

[Link]

I think he wants them to hang themselves. It's not even 11th dimensional chess, at this point.

Hmm, true. If he's just bluffing and saying he's willing to go that high just because he knows there will never be a compromise, then I'm ok with it. He knows it only makes him look better right now.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I shouldn't be surprised anymore with anything the GOP does but I am. I still don't think we're goin over the cliff. A 11th hour deal is my bet.

 

[adamsappel]

Part of me giggles, part of me cries.

 

[nib95]

Why does Obama continue to be open to further compromised with republicans when all they do is show they aren't willing to do the same? I just read that Obama signaled he is willing to move the tax increase level up to $700,000 or $800,000.

I seriously hope this isn't true. Fuck Obama if it is.

 

[Chichikov]

You guys watch Hannity instead of PBS NewsHour.

 

[B-Dubs]

I seriously hope this isn't true. Fuck Obama if it is.

He's just fucking with them at this point, if Boehner couldn't pass his Plan B then there is no way they'd pass Obama's new compromise. It's just good optics at this point in time.

 

[Gotchaye]

Why would Canter or anyone else want the job, though? It would make the GOP look worse if Canter or McCarthy was Speaker. Boehner at least appears almost reasonable.

Being Speaker is like the worst job right now. You're weak (no Senate control or Presidency, small majority and people don't like the House/Congress) as there is no real unity.

I'm not convinced this was a power play by Cantor. I think he's smart enough to know Boehner is better as a figurehead for the party right now. I think this is just chaos in the party.

Either way, Boehner looks even weaker than ever.

I'm not saying Cantor pulled something here, but leadership positions are sticky. Boehner's been Speaker or leader since 2006, and the top Republican since 2007. Pelosi's been the top Democrat since 2003. Cantor is well-positioned right now to become Speaker, and that may no longer be true the next time the Republicans are in the majority /and/ the job looks appealing, especially if the Republicans substantially moderate. He might want to become Speaker now so as to be Speaker in four years.

 

[el retorno]

You guys watch Hannity instead of PBS NewsHour.

Yes, why not? Need to get a little of that crazy in. I listen to his radio show sometimes too.

 

[TacticalFox88]

I shouldn't be surprised anymore with anything the GOP does but I am. I still don't think we're goin over the cliff. A 11th hour deal is my bet.

Come on, bro. Republicans couldn't even pass a bill to make THEMSELVES look good, even if anyone with any shred of common sense knew it was a farce.

We're going off the cliff at full speed.

We can only hope Dems and Obama have the appropriate amount of parachutes. :x

 

[slit]

I think it would be easier for a minority of Republicans to become Democrats at this point then for them to try working with the nuts that now reside in the GOP. :lol

 

[el retorno]

January 1st

Luke Russert: "the real right" hahaha

 

[Chichikov]

I seriously hope this isn't true. Fuck Obama if it is.

If he has to give up on anything, he should give up on rates.
It's the least important element on the table, and politically, reluctantly agreeing on that keep one of his strongest cards against the GOP.
The public isn't exactly crazy about those tax cuts for the rich.

 

[TacticalFox88]

I think it would be easier for a minority of Republicans to become Democrats at this point then for them to try working with the nuts that now reside in the GOP. :lol

This still perplexed the fuck outta me for the last four years. Why would any genuinely moderate Republican STAY with the party that's clearly left them behind and doesn't give a single fuck about 99% of the population?

To me, they are indirectly supporting these bullshit policies by not standing their ground and either calling them out on it or leaving the party all together.

 

[watershed]

I read the income level bit on Politico. On their Cliff Chaos article. I used their web app so I don't have a url.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Video from the GOP meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj4adAAHa68

 

[slit]

This still perplexed the fuck outta me for the last four years. Why would any genuinely moderate Republican STAY with the party that's clearly left them behind and doesn't give a single fuck about 99% of the population?

To me, they are indirectly supporting these bullshit policies by not standing their ground and either calling them out on it or leaving the party all together.

I think it's a political form of 'battered wife syndrome'.

It easier to stay with the bastard you know, even if you know it's wrong, because the unknown is scary.

 

[Chichikov]

Video from the GOP meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj4adAAHa68

Black people?
GOP?
Has your new avatar made you lose you mind?

 

[GhaleonEB]

When NPR said Boehner had pulled the Plan B vote and pitched the issue over to Harry Reid I hooted so loudly in my car I have a hoarse voice now. It was cathartic.

Over the course of my drive home the NPR segments went from reporting on the failure to talking about how weak a Speaker Boehner is, to wondering if he'll get elected Speaker in the new Congress, to wondering if he'll step down from even running.

What a complete failure. Over we go. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee indeed.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

When NPR said Boehner had pulled the Plan B vote and pitched the issue over to Harry Reid I hooted so loudly in my car I have a hoarse voice now. It was cathartic.

Over the course of my drive home the NPR segments went from reporting on the failure to talking about how weak a Speaker Boehner is, to wondering if he'll get elected Speaker in the new Congress, to wondering if he'll step down from even running.

What a complete failure. Over we go. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee indeed.

It really is amazing whats transpiring. The tea party has been such a cancer to the GOP.