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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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TacticalFox88

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ClovingWestbrook said:
It really is amazing whats transpiring. The tea party has been such a cancer to the GOP.
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Not really a cancer, more like that one drug that got you high (i.e. 2010 midterms), and slowly the more you use it, the less the drug's effects have on you as you keep trying to get that first high but never will.
 
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Black Mamba

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As hilarious as this might be and while long term it might be good, Boehner having no control over the GOP right now is a bad thing.

If he loses his speakership, anyone who takes over will be more hard-line and it would make any potential deal impossible.

As sad as it is, Boehner is the best chance for a real deal. And the other problem is, I have no idea what to think of the GOP going forward without him. Would they even pass a middle class tax cut in January?

They may be crazy enough to try and completely tank the economy. I wish I wasn't being serious, but many parts of the GOP is simply not rational. Normally you can predict what will happen. Right now, you can't.
 
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Cloudy

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Jay Carney (EOP)Verified ‏@PressSec

The President’s priority is to ensure taxes don’t go up on 98% of Americans; will work w/ Congress to get it done http://wh.gov/nAln #My2k
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Good. Screw a "grand bargain". Either the GOP caves or dems just pass a tax cut in January
 
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TacticalFox88

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Black Mamba said:
As hilarious as this might be and while long term it might be good, Boehner having no control over the GOP right now is a bad thing.

If he loses his speakership, anyone who takes over will be more hard-line and it would make any potential deal impossible.

As sad as it is, Boehner is the best chance for a real deal. And the other problem is, I have no idea what to think of the GOP going forward without him. Would they even pass a middle class tax cut in January?

They may be crazy enough to try and completely tank the economy. I wish I wasn't being serious, but many parts of the GOP is simply not rational. Normally you can predict what will happen. Right now, you can't.
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I'm starting to think this is going beyond simple hate for Obama and something much more deeper and complex.

I still don't buy the idea that they would screw over an entire country of 300 million people SOLELY because they utterly despise one man.
 
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GhaleonEB

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ClovingWestbrook said:
It really is amazing whats transpiring. The tea party has been such a cancer to the GOP.
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They started that way, now they've metastasized to being a cancer on the entire country.

I've skimmed through the thread and didn't see this detail mentioned from Boehner's statement:

“The House did not take up the tax measure today because it did not have sufficient support from our members to pass,” Boehner official statement read. “Now it is up to the president to work with Senator Reid on legislation to avert the fiscal cliff. The House has already passed legislation to stop all of the January 1 tax rate increases and replace the sequester with responsible spending cuts that will begin to address our nation’s crippling debt. The Senate must now act.”
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That must have been a tough sentence for him to write. I can infer one of two strategies. The first is that he's punting it over to McConnell (who has been able to take a back seat while Boehner was in the spotlight) to block. The other is to admit he can't pass anything without Dem votes. Both are probably true.

Obama's starting point with Reid should be his initial proposal. Full reset.
 
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wow, tea party destroying the GOP the way dems never could. Obama has given them an out oven and over again, yet they refuse budge. Insanity!
 
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GhaleonEB

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It occurs to me that Pelosi's leverage in this just went through the roof. Boehner needs her caucus, and she can actually keep most of hers in line.
 
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B-Dubs

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GhaleonEB said:
It occurs to me that Pelosi's leverage in this just went through the roof. Boehner needs her caucus, and she can actually keep most of hers in line.
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Yea. Any deal that goes through at this point will be built on whatever Obama and the Dems want. It'll still need to get through the filibuster, but it'll be loads better than it would have been yesterday.
 
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Bowdz said:
A month ago, I honestly thought that a deal would be reached by Christmas (or shortly there after) simply because the political downsides for the GOP would be horrendous if we went over the cliff. Now, I'm starting to doubt there will be a deal at all and the the GOP will commit political seppuku.
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I really believe the GOP (and more specifically, the Tea Party) is more than willing to just tank the economy purely to make Obama look bad so they can win future elections. They have no interest in the good of the country at this point.
 
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bodyofanamerican

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Link said:
I really believe the GOP (and more specifically, the Tea Party) is more than willing to just tank the economy purely to make Obama look bad so they can win future elections. They have no interest in the good of the country at this point.
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But...they did this already. It failed. Why try again?
 
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TacticalFox88

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i_am_not_jon_ames said:
But...they did this already. It failed. Why try again?
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We're talking about a group of people who believe Obama is a socialist, communist, who was really born in Kenya, that raised taxes to fund his third term to bring a New World Order as the Anti-Christ through the UN with treaties to help the disabled.
 
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Haha.

Teatards don't realize that they will have to vote for Democrats' tax plan now. They will be lowering taxes for the 98% once Obama comes back in January and says "hey guys, anyone for tax cuts?"

What a gaggle of nincompoops. Lol.
 
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hoos30

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TPM's Josh Marshall via Twitter:

"White House closely monitoring 'Plan B' developments"

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TacticalFox88

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Link said:
You'd think so, but considering gerrymandering and the overall lack of knowledge of the Republican base, I'm not so sure.
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If Dems can get their base to go fucking vote, then the GOP won't stand a fucking chance.

That's the only problem. GETTING THEM TO THE FUCKING POLLS.
 
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Black Mamba

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This sort of display suggests Republicans are not capable of governing. What was an argument by Democrats (They are unreasonable! They only care for the rich!) is now a political reality.

When I posed the question “What next?” to several senior Republicans, the answer came back, ” I really don’t know” or “Good question.” What we do know is that House Republicans may have confirmed the good judgment of the American people in keeping divided government. Goodness knows none of these people can be trusted.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...n-b-house-republicans-humiliate-their-leader/

Even Jennifer Rubin sounds not like a shill? lol.
 
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PhoenixDark said:
Obama gave them social security cuts and they still said no. Pack it up and go home
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Obama would've been known as the first and only Democrat president to issue such large cuts in reforming social security. Shit would've been infamous in the history books, but the Repubs couldn't even bite on that.

Then again, they waffled on that shit "Grand Bargain" last year which was even more laughable and terrifying, so clearly they're just idiots who would rather cut off the nose to spite the face.
 
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TacticalFox88

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dabig2 said:
Obama would've been known as the first and only Democrat president to issue such large cuts in reforming social security. Shit would've been infamous in the history books, but the Repubs couldn't even bite on that.

Then again, they waffled on that shit "Grand Bargain" last year which was even more laughable and terrifying, so clearly they're just idiots who would rather cut off the nose to spite the face.
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I don't think Obama was serious. I think he was just wanting to see how far the GOP would go in not working with him.

It was a gambit that paid off in spades.
 
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Piecake

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TacticalFox88 said:
I don't think Obama was serious. I think he was just wanting to see how far the GOP would go in not working with him.

It was a gambit that paid off in spades.
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I sure hope thats the case. Clearly we are going off the cliff. Once we do, I hope Obama states that he wants to give America the best bill possible since the damage has already been done (sort of). If we can get something close to the first proposal that Obama offered, I would be quite pleased

Hopefully there are still some sane people in the republican house...
 
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heliosRAzi

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House Conservatives in the Mood for Gumbo, Not Plan B

There were at least 20 members notably absent from the hastily called GOP conference where House Speaker John Boehner announced he didn't have the votes for Plan B.

These lawmakers had something else in mind, rather than listening to Boehner say they didn't have the votes and that there was no more action until after Christmas.
These lawmakers were in the mood for gumbo.

This Cajun Supper Club was sending off one of their own, the conservative stalwart Rep. Jeff Landry, R-La., who recently lost reelection. What this meant, is that while the GOP leadership struggled to whip up votes for Plan B late in the evening, a number of "no-votes" weren't around to have their arms twisted until they said yes.

With the House in recess after voting on the NDAA, Reps. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina and Steve Southerland of Florida, would not commit their vote one way or another, but didn't seem too concerned. When asked what their thoughts on Plan B were, they went into something of an Abbot and Costello routine.

"Plan B?" said Gowdy. "To gumbo?"

"I hope there isn't a plan B. I was really counting on the gumbo," said Southerland with a laugh.
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The end of the year always brings so much hilarity
 
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speculawyer

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TacticalFox88 said:
This still perplexed the fuck outta me for the last four years. Why would any genuinely moderate Republican STAY with the party that's clearly left them behind and doesn't give a single fuck about 99% of the population?

To me, they are indirectly supporting these bullshit policies by not standing their ground and either calling them out on it or leaving the party all together.
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Are there any moderates left in the GOP? It seems to be very very conservative Republicans and crazy Republicans at this point
 
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