PhoenixDark said:Nice pounce by Clinton, but I wonder if people see through it by now. I bet these comments are playing well with superdelegates, at least the bigger ones
Lemonz said:
The only thing we agree on.siamesedreamer said:
To be fair, the difference is she's taking people's positions at face value, and isn't trying to ascribe some sort of subconscious underlying motivation that suggests those positions are not based out of personal belief but rather out of psychological projection.Tamanon said:Um, APF....that's exactly what Clinton is also doing in that quote if you didn't notice![]()
APF said:To be fair, the difference is she's taking people's positions at face value, and isn't trying to ascribe some sort of subconscious underlying motivation that suggests those positions are not based out of rational belief but rather out of psychological displacement.
Wtf. :lol :lolThunder Monkey said:The only thing we agree on.
Rock hard nipples right here.
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I'm still not entirely sure why this hurts him... but I'm sure the media will tell us why all week.
APF said:To be fair, the difference is she's taking people's positions at face value, and isn't trying to ascribe some sort of subconscious underlying motivation that suggests those positions are not based out of personal belief but rather out of psychological projection.
Edit: nice nipples!
Clevinger said:Distorting another candidate's comments plays well with superdelegates? That's pretty sad.
Deus Ex Machina said:lol. Fox News.
They went live to a smalltown diner in Pennsylvania and asked the elderly white man sitting at the bar what he thought about Obama's comments, as a man who has lived there for 30+ years.
"Are people in this area bitter?"
"Yes, they are..."
"........."
"....um...do you think Obama was wrong with his comments?"
"No, actually. I think he was right. A lot of people here are bitter after losing their jobs..."
".....um...."
"....I also think he is a very intelligent young man. But yea, he was right..."
"....so people are bitter?"
"Yes. Absolutely."
"...and who will you be voting for, sir?"
"John McCain..."
"...and there you have it. a lot of people here seem to feel like Barack was pretty much right..."
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Like someone else said Clinton gets in trouble for lying while Obama gets in trouble for telling the truth.ZealousD said::lol :lol :lol
It just strikes me that most of the time, when Obama makes a "gaffe", he's just speaking the awful truth that people don't want to hear.
ZealousD said::lol :lol :lol
It just strikes me that most of the time, when Obama makes a "gaffe", he's just speaking the awful truth that people don't want to hear.
Nice.Deus Ex Machina said:Wow.
CNN sleighs Clinton and McCain for trying to hurt Obama on this comment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3o6h-fVXFE
I mean a genuine curb-stomping.
lopaz said:Again I'm confused by the use of 'middle class'. Surely people who have had trouble finding employment after factory closures are 100% working class?
Tamanon said:I'm pretty sure that was one of the things that helps mask the problems, the middle class designation in media has been expanded to include the lower middle class, or what used to be the working class.![]()
Well, she was a member of the College Republicans until like her Junior year.XxenobladerxX said:Was Shilldawg born into a mostly rich family?
Lemonz said:
XxenobladerxX said:Was Shilldawg born into a mostly rich family?
APF said:Ding ding. Obama loves to lecture people over why they believe in / are doing something or other, which duh can come off as self-righteous, arrogant, and elitist if you're not infatuated with the man.
Apollo Creed ended up winning the fight.mckmas8808 said:That was great!!!
To be fair I don't think you're being fair here. Perhaps I was imprecise in my wording though: there's a difference, for example, between someone saying Obama supporters transmute their feelings of self-hatred from not getting laid into fervent devotion for the candidate, as opposed to saying his supporters are actually being inspired by him or his policy platform. You see? It's not about saying people support something, it's about projecting this underlying negative psychological motivation behind the support.Tamanon said:Your statement was that Obama was trying to say "why" people support different things, Clinton's statement was "why" people support certain things. Would you agree that they are both completely incorrect since "people" have different reasons?
APF said:To be fair I don't think you're being fair here. Perhaps I was imprecise in my wording though: there's a difference, for example, between someone saying Obama supporters transmute their feelings of self-hatred from not getting laid into fervent devotion for the candidate, as opposed to saying his supporters are actually being inspired by him or his policy platform. You see? It's not about saying people support something, it's about projecting this underlying negative psychological motivation behind the support.
KRS7 said:Well, I saw one of her Pennsylvania commercials where she reminisced about her summer home there. I don't know about you guys, but my summer home is my winter home. I also stay here in spring and autumn.
She may not of been super rich, but most working class people don't own a home for each season.
Well I'm no Barack Obama.Tamanon said:So you agree that imprecise wording can lead to people drawing incorrect conclusions.
And that's what he's doing.KRS7 said:I think Obama needs to stand by his remarks.
Tamanon said:So you agree that imprecise wording can lead to people drawing incorrect conclusions. I accept your apology.
Exactly.KRS7 said:I think Obama needs to stand by his remarks.
He was trying to explain what people in the Midwest must live through to a crowd in California. I've traveled to Oregon, Washington, California, Massachusetts, and other coastal states. Many of their opinions of people from places like Ohio are not the kindest. I met a lot of people who think everyone from the Midwest is a racist, bible-thumping, gun carrying, ignorant, redneck.
He was trying to humanize small town americans. They've been screwed by Washington again and again. Many of them have lost hope and rightly so. Every election candidates come to these Midwest states, promising the world, and delivering nothing. The republicans have used abortion, immigration, and gun rights as wedge issues. Many people in rural areas vote against their economic interest again and again because of these issues.
This whole elitism thing is pure bullshit. It is used to drive a wedge between us and prevent from actually getting anything done. This idea of Ivy-League elites is just as bad as the ignorant redneck stereotype. There will be nothing done if these prejudiced perceptions of other americans persist. He was trying to bring the country together, but instead the media and broken political system will use this to continue to hammer the wedge between us.
Deus Ex Machina said:lol. Fox News.
They went live to a smalltown diner in Pennsylvania and asked the elderly white man sitting at the bar what he thought about Obama's comments, as a man who has lived there for 30+ years.
"Are people in this area bitter?"
"Yes, they are..."
"........."
"....um...do you think Obama was wrong with his comments?"
"No, actually. I think he was right. A lot of people here are bitter after losing their jobs..."
".....um...."
"....I also think he is a very intelligent young man. But yea, he was right..."
"....so people are bitter?"
"Yes. Absolutely."
"...and who will you be voting for, sir?"
"John McCain..."
"...and there you have it. a lot of people here seem to feel like Barack was pretty much right..."
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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i love you:lol :lolKRS7 said:Well, I saw one of her Pennsylvania commercials where she reminisced about her summer home there. I don't know about you guys, but my summer home is my winter home. I also stay here in spring and autumn.
She may not of been super rich, but most working class people don't own a home for each season.
Cheebs said:grassroots = ardent supporters who work for the campaign from the bottom as volunteers and so forth. Its a term for people who do work for the campaign that aren't part of the top-tier official political workers but regular volunteers.
Currently polls show McCain either narrowly ahead or even with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. It is impressive considering how poorly the GOP, and specifically the president, are viewed by the public.
But it is a faux lead. If the de facto Democratic nominee is clear within the next 4-6 weeks, that person will see a poll bounce.
Guy on Fox News said:"Half of the democratic party think there's something wrong with the foundation of the country, the other half love their country and think there's only small things wrong with it."
Deus Ex Machina said:Wow.
CNN sleighs Clinton and McCain for trying to hurt Obama on this comment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3o6h-fVXFE
I mean a genuine curb-stomping.
To be fair, they're only racist, bible-thumping, gun carrying, ignorant rednecks because they're bitter over their jerbs and the concept of Federalism.KRS7 said:I've traveled to Oregon, Washington, California, Massachusetts, and other coastal states. Many of their opinions of people from places like Ohio are not the kindest. I met a lot of people who think everyone from the Midwest is a racist, bible-thumping, gun carrying, ignorant, redneck.
Easy there,tiger.Insertia said:omfg @ the Hilary clip. She is so transparent, it's ridiculous.
I mean, even she knows Obama is correct. It can be heard in her voice how she doesn't believe the crap coming out of her mouth.
I mean is this real? This is a joke. Honestly, if Barack isn't our next president, people in this country are very very stupid and deserve to continue living in this flailing period.
Also, Barack himself is the best thing to happen to this nomination process. He's making McCain and Clinton a lot more aware and a lot more sensible.
KRS7 said:Well, I saw one of her Pennsylvania commercials where she reminisced about her summer home there. I don't know about you guys, but my summer home is my winter home. I also stay here in spring and autumn.
She may not of been super rich, but most working class people don't own a home for each season.
poor Alberto! even Yoo managed to find a cushy gig after leaving the administration.TOUGH JOB MARKET: Former attorney general Alberto Gonzales has been unable to interest law firms in adding his name to their roster... Developing...