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Xeke said:
Yes, but to who?
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PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit
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Yes, but to who?
ryutaro's mama
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Xeke said:
Annnnnnd you missed my joke.
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His dirty God's name can only be pronounced by cutting off your tongue. It is un-typeable.ryutaro's mama said:
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Xeke said:
He's reading his notes.
McCains biggest problem with the economics is that none of his suggestions are new.
He doesn't have to suggest dem style economic policies, but you have to come out with something radicaly different than what we have now. People aren't going to believe that doing exactly what we've been doing is going to fix anything. He could go into super radical libertarian territory and that would probably play better than what he's tried so far.
He should be promoting something like the fair tax. Big ideas that get people excited. As long as his economic policy is just "cut taxes, cut spending" people aren't going to buy it. In this kind of environment, you have to be suggesting big changes and fundamental changes to the way the system functions. Newt Gengrich is a good example of a republican who's always full of big ideas. McCain is too careful on domestic policy and he's unwilling to try outlining a bigger vision. If he loses, this will be one of the main lessons for the republican party to learn. The era of just repeating Reagans policies is over. You have to bring everything into the 21st century and come with something people haven't heard before.
He doesn't have to suggest dem style economic policies, but you have to come out with something radicaly different than what we have now. People aren't going to believe that doing exactly what we've been doing is going to fix anything. He could go into super radical libertarian territory and that would probably play better than what he's tried so far.
He should be promoting something like the fair tax. Big ideas that get people excited. As long as his economic policy is just "cut taxes, cut spending" people aren't going to buy it. In this kind of environment, you have to be suggesting big changes and fundamental changes to the way the system functions. Newt Gengrich is a good example of a republican who's always full of big ideas. McCain is too careful on domestic policy and he's unwilling to try outlining a bigger vision. If he loses, this will be one of the main lessons for the republican party to learn. The era of just repeating Reagans policies is over. You have to bring everything into the 21st century and come with something people haven't heard before.
Karma Kramer
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I think the biggest possibly risk for McCain is staying under in polling for much longer. If he doesn't pull up soon... he is going to start losing a lot of support and Republicans are going to get discouraged.
It will definitely have a snowball effect.
It will definitely have a snowball effect.
Thunder Monkey
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You're thinking too much.Krowley said:
McCain doesn't understand economics at all. The only thing he understands about the subject is what his lobbyists... sorry, advisors tell him to think.
Karma Kramer
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Slurpy said:
Not likely because Republicans were never passionate about John McCain... he's just the guy that got eliminated last. Republicans are hurting right now, so they aren't going to be very optimistic about electing a continuation of Bush.
The Librarian
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Yep.Trakdown said:
PhoenixDark
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Slurpy said:
To be fair, it works until something big happens (debates, trips, market crashes, etc). But even when it works Obama is still up in the polls lol
CharlieDigital
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Slurpy said:
So basically, stay the course.
Awesome strategy.
titiklabingapat
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The only thing I can see sticking is McCain essentially copying Obama and simply lying through his teeth about where he stands for. He will say a version of Obama's stances and hope the public can be fooled.
Of course, this will backfire like mad.
Of course, this will backfire like mad.
Tyrone Slothrop
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lol @ hannity's america
"It's pretty clear Palin is aloof --"
"BIDEN SAID ROOSEVELT WENT ON TV DURING THE DEPRESSION"
"If you'll just let me --"
"BIDEN SAID ROOSEVELT WENT ON TV DURING THE DEPRESSION"
"An --"
"WHAT'S UP WITH BIDEN. ROOSEVELT WASN'T PRESIDENT THEN."
"It's pretty clear Palin is aloof --"
"BIDEN SAID ROOSEVELT WENT ON TV DURING THE DEPRESSION"
"If you'll just let me --"
"BIDEN SAID ROOSEVELT WENT ON TV DURING THE DEPRESSION"
"An --"
"WHAT'S UP WITH BIDEN. ROOSEVELT WASN'T PRESIDENT THEN."
Trakdown said:
What will it take to get McCain under 40 at this point, though? Dude makes political theater out of a crisis, acts like Obama is on his lawn during the debate, and has what amounts to an empty vessel that can't hold information for a VP.....
Personally, I think he's polling kinda high at this point.
maximum360
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You crazed libruls.
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You crazed libruls.
PhoenixDark
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:lolmaximum360 said:
And that's the argument they've been making for a while now. It was on full display during the debate. The problem is a lot of people saw the debate, and most of them though Obama looked presidential. So all the spin in the world is just going to crash face-first into that.Slurpy said:
(Standard caveat: I hope.)
Frank the Great
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MoxManiac said:
More of the same!
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Slurpy said:
If this is their plan going forward, then they have lost because all it does it lend credence to what Obama said. For 90 minutes, all he did was talk about me (Obama) and said nothing about you (the public) So good, I see that they are basically out of ammo.
Slurpy said:
Well you lost any chance of tactic one working last Friday, and tactic two hasnt worked for the last 3 weeks, so good luck with that.
McCains *real* problem is early voting has started in a ton of states and every week more and more states get in on the early voting. He might close late, but if he cant close quickly he is going to lose some of the swing states before election day.
Ohio for instance has that vote the same day you register thing coming up in a week, if Obama is up 5-6 when that happens, it means McCain has to beat him by that much more come Nov. 4th.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/28/Newspaper_ends_72-year_streak_backs_Obama/UPI-60041222648264/
That's cool. Hope this hits the MSM
That's cool. Hope this hits the MSM
EMBee99 said:
The question is, have the debates been factored in to the polling yet? I don't think they fully have, but it would explain the 8 point lead. If they aren't, and it drops him down by monday, that means he has 6 days to get back above- one of those days is the VP debate.
If McCain drops down on monday, I wouldn't be surprised if it continues trending that way. He pissed off a lot of people with his tone during the debate, and Obama came out looking really damn good. McCain's campaign is in a hell of a slide, and since he's not changing much, he could easily keep trending down.
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syllogism said:
Hey GAF I feel like I don't live in the same world as the pundits on TV do. Why do all of them keep saying that Obama can't talk about pocket book issues when this whole speech is about pocket book issues?
I mean the 25,000 people in the crowd seem to agree with Obama.
Karma Kramer
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StoOgE said:
So you are saying 50% of voters... vote absentee?
Fragamemnon
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Slurpy said:
Yeah, right. I'm sure that's your plan now but wait until one poll comes out-even if it is an outlier-with McCain down 10, John McCain is going to do something crazy and that strategy will be meaningless.
Right now the House and Senate GOP leadership should be looking to spike McCain's ambien with something that'll keep him sedated until the next debate. Every time McCain pulls a stunt more and more House and Senate seats open up for Dem takeover.
PhoenixDark
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mckmas8808 said:
It's interesting that now Obama is the one talking about specifics, hammering out details and policies while McCain is the one trotting out his (not so victorious) victory horse, telling stories and promising band-aid solutions for big problems.
RiskyChris
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Slurpy said:
If that's the best they can do they are fucking toast. Obama creamed McCain despite those issues on Friday.
Thunder Monkey
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There's a reason they're known as talking heads man.mckmas8808 said:
maximum360
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PhoenixDark said:
Will the media them hammer McCain on not having specifics like they did to Obama for most of the race. Probably not.
grandjedi6
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Thunder Monkey
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I also like the term prompterjockies.
Fragamemnon
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mckmas8808 said:
It's the narrative they have for Obama, created out of his education and intelligence mixed with his ability to inspire people with lofty ideas-so OBVIOUSLY he can't talk to the average job about pocketbook issues since he doesn't "feel their pain", nor can he "channel their anger" because that would mean "UH OH ANGRY BLACK MAN, GET THE FIRE HOSE".
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Cloudy said:
Stockton is a central valley town near the bay area. It is basically a red state area within California. However, that area has been absolutely devastated with foreclosures . . . trickle down economics has pissed all over those people. It has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation. It is nice to see them admit that some change is needed.
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