Holy Order Sol
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Platy said:
How is this even relevant anyway.
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Project M Demo: Smash Bros. Brawl with Melee Gameplay! [Update: Out Now]
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How is this even relevant anyway.
Came into this topic thinking "pfft, fan project. Why bother?" My second thought was "why can't they have fun with the game as it is?". Then I read the OP, skipped to the newest posts and saw the demonstration videos of Lucario and Charizard. Holy shit, I'm totally in support of this project. I was fine with Sakurai's team making the game deliberately off-putting for competitive play, but I now think that this viewpoint was deficient. It is plain to see that an important chunk of players were very much alienated with the release of Brawl. This is almost never a good thing. The amount of work to try and "fix" the game is a testament to how dedicated a fanbase the competitive community is for this game. In retrospect, it is very disappointing that Sakurai made such bad decisions in the design of brawl. It screams to me that Sakurai does not support his game being played as such.
Has Sakurai ever gone on record about the competitive play of Smash Bros.? I want to hear his reasoning for making brawl so frustrating for competitive play.
Has Sakurai ever gone on record about the competitive play of Smash Bros.? I want to hear his reasoning for making brawl so frustrating for competitive play.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Barrow Roll said:
Except that you could just remove the stamina but keep everything else intact, you know? Pokemon Trainer is essentially about having different mons that support each other's weaknesses by means of changing, after all.
Acerac
Banned
I know I'm a bit lttp, but I finally got around to downloading this.
HOLY SHIT. IT'S SO AWESOME.
Any other Melee players of old would be doing themselves a disservice by not getting this amazing mod. This is what Brawl should have been.
My only problem? It's not finished and I want to try out all the awesome! Is there any idea when the latest build will be widely available? I heard that a build with far more characters than the 15 on the beta was being played at a recent tournament, is there anywhere I can get my hands on that?
HOLY SHIT. IT'S SO AWESOME.
Any other Melee players of old would be doing themselves a disservice by not getting this amazing mod. This is what Brawl should have been.
My only problem? It's not finished and I want to try out all the awesome! Is there any idea when the latest build will be widely available? I heard that a build with far more characters than the 15 on the beta was being played at a recent tournament, is there anywhere I can get my hands on that?
Acerac
Banned
Fair enough. The fact that the project is progressing is awesome news, and I'm extremely happy to be able to enjoy what's already available.
I'll just busy myself with the characters available until the devs feels that more of the cast is ready for play by the masses. Any patch that covers new characters will be my most anticipated game of the year, though if I have to wait until the game is finished I understand.
I'm not sure who exactly on the dev team reads these forums, but you guys are awesome! Keep up the great work! It's awesome to play the sequel Melee deserved.
I'll just busy myself with the characters available until the devs feels that more of the cast is ready for play by the masses. Any patch that covers new characters will be my most anticipated game of the year, though if I have to wait until the game is finished I understand.
I'm not sure who exactly on the dev team reads these forums, but you guys are awesome! Keep up the great work! It's awesome to play the sequel Melee deserved.
zerudahime
Neo Member
There are plenty of leaks of this game floating around out there unfortunately..
I play this game constantly and its pretty amazing
chickdigger802
Banned
hmmm does this mod work if you load games off a hard drive?
Stupid dual layered dvds always fail on me T___T.
Stupid dual layered dvds always fail on me T___T.
Charizard with the Seismic Toss from the goddamned Magmar vs. Charizard episode...
Fuck I'm already paying attention. :lol
Yes, you can play this with the game off of a hard drive, as long as you know how to load the code set with the loader you're using anyway (and said loader needs to be able to load more than 256 lines of code with the gameconfig.txt provided).
Might as well also post the recent character write-ups of the characters confirmed that weren't in the original demo:
Donkey Kong
Bowser
Wario
King Dedede
Lucario
Toon Link
Wolf
Ike
Charizard
Give'em a read, they're a nice preview of what to expect and you get an idea on what the team is going for with the character(s).
Edit: Also, there's a stream of the current build here: http://www.twitch.tv/jcaesar
Obv they are backroom members.
Donkey Kong
Bowser
Wario
King Dedede
Lucario
Toon Link
Wolf
Ike
Charizard
Give'em a read, they're a nice preview of what to expect and you get an idea on what the team is going for with the character(s).
Edit: Also, there's a stream of the current build here: http://www.twitch.tv/jcaesar
Obv they are backroom members.
Mistake
Member
hmm, I'm not sure how I feel about this. Brawl+ kind of gives me the best of both already. It's a little faster than Vanilla, and more balanced. Obviously it's no Melee, but I think it's best for my group of friends (they hated me before brawl). It looks really good though. Using the Hackless method, is it possible to load on the same SD Brawl+ is on? I can imagine it would create issues, so if not, I have a second one anyway that I can try it on
It would be best to have two separate SD Cards.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Is there any word on whether they're working on a patch for PAL versions of the game? Admittedly don't take COMPETITIVE SMASH seriously in the slightest but still greatly admire all the modding work behind Brawl and would be interested in giving Project M a try.
Let me know if Ike and Sheik are better.
Except Sakurai even admitted that Brawl wasn't aimed at the hardcore crowd which Melee was. I don't see how that's sad at all because the project's goal was not to continue upon that.
Except Sakurai even admitted that Brawl wasn't aimed at the hardcore crowd which Melee was. I don't see how that's sad at all because the project's goal was not to continue upon that.
If your refined sports cars are equal to removing Wario's bike then I'm sticking with the bus.
Barrow Roll
Member
You'd actually choose the bike over the far more iconic Wario Land shoulder charge?
Damn.
Despite what I said, I like Brawl. Brawl+ and P:M are good for the novelty but after using those mods a couple of times we went back to vanilla without a blink. In fact, my biggest gripe with the game (other than online) is simply that other people don't like it.
Brawl's direction would've made a lot more sense if Melee had bombed, people had hated it more than 64, and in a frantic bit of over correction Sakurai headed the series down a more casual friendly path.
Brawl's direction would've made a lot more sense if Melee had bombed, people had hated it more than 64, and in a frantic bit of over correction Sakurai headed the series down a more casual friendly path.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Why not keep both? It's his bizarre standard B chomp move that irks me about vanilla Brawl Wario. Replace that with his shoulder barge.
Man, it looks so much better than the original game already. Definitely want to try it.
Heh. I guess Nintendo knows what it's like to be Sega in this instance.
Heh. I guess Nintendo knows what it's like to be Sega in this instance.
The thing is, Bite is actually a good move when used well. Bike's only purpose was for recovery, for balance reasons and to stick to a more Wario Land stylized moveset they went with Shoulder Bash as Side B. Plus, it makes tons more sense to be mapped to Side B... because he's traveling forward while doing it.
There's no way in keeping both when this game is supposed to be balanced. If he had both, he would have quite the ridiculous recovery. He could theoretically pull off something as ridiculous as this: bike > jump > side B and half the time he wouldn't even need to use Side B afterwards because of how much horizontal air the bike covers, never mind verticality once he jumps off of it.
Side B as shoulder bash is a lot more fun seriously, especially since you can jump (only from the ground) and continue it into the air and the way it works is just all kinds of awesome.
A ton of work has been put into this mod and a lot of thought has gone into each character, people really shouldn't scoff at it or be upset over a certain character's move getting axed, give it a try when it comes out and then make your deliberation.
Hero said:
Sheik is her Melee self, so yes, she's automatically better than she was in Brawl. As far as Ike goes, he's certainly much better than he was in Brawl but where he fits with against the rest of the cast remains to be seen (though he can pull off some pretty cool stuff, so it's definitely worth anyone's time to mess around with him a bit, namely his grounded Quick Draw jump cancel).
Unfortunately, a PAL version doesn't seem to be in the works. I'm sure the team wants to, but the codes made in the last year have not probably been ported to PAL, on top of all the character changes that would need to be ported as well to the PAL character files.
You could always get a NSTC copy of Brawl through certain means (I'm sure you know what I'm referring to) if you have Homebrew installed. But that's totally up to you.
Barrow Roll
Member
Well said. It would be completely redundant to have two B moves that propel Wario forward and aid in recovery. The shoulder charge is a more balanced and riskier recovery, has more applications on stage and is more iconic of the two moves. Why they only made it his forward smash in Brawl is honestly baffling.
Then you probably won't enjoy the gravity settings here. For Melee veterans, data was pulled and imported directly from Melee so gravity and fall speeds will match exactly. Brawl newcomers were tinkered on a case by case basis but expect their fall speeds to be more in line with Melee veterans.
Barrow Roll
Member
Sorry to double post, but I am adding something new to the discussion.
One of the playtesters put up a new trailer/montage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLCyjl4JdiE&feature=g-u-u&context=G22865a9FUAAAAAAAAAA
Better than the actual trailer if you ask me.
One of the playtesters put up a new trailer/montage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLCyjl4JdiE&feature=g-u-u&context=G22865a9FUAAAAAAAAAA
Better than the actual trailer if you ask me.
Holy Order Sol
Member
lol @ FUAAAAAAAA especially when I was listening to GoodBye Esaka whie watching.
Can't wait to try PM Bowser.
Can't wait to try PM Bowser.
What is forward smash A?
Is every stage other than Final Destination the boring old Battlefield layout? Yawn. I assume no items, either?
Holy Order Sol
Member
No.
You're free to tweak the settings to your liking as you would in regular Brawl. I do remember reading something about Lucas' Final Smash being used to create his Offense Up and how this might cause problems move but I don't know if this is still the case.
Barrow Roll
Member
Addressed in an earlier post.
As Holy Order Sol already said, no. But you could at least try to keep an open mind about it.
But the mod is geared towards competitive Melee players so it's no surprise that a montage of clips from a playtester would mostly consist of tournament legal stages since that's what they enjoy playing on. You'll still have your goofy stages and items to play with though.
Yeah, you'll just... have to be aware of the fact that some items are likely to be broken due to any possible variables or such may be used from them to create certain codes and so forth.
And by broken, I mean broken in the sense that they might not work. At all. Keep in mind, the team isn't (currently) interested in keeping items in good enough states to play with. When they reach a point where they're done with changing the game's engine, then they will likely try to make sure all items work fine for the final release.
But until then, if you want to play with items, just be aware not all items will be bug free.
Also, there are definitely some aspects of this mod that do appeal to players who aren't interested in the game for competitive reasons. It may be geared for competitive players, but there's definitely things in this that should appeal to any Smash fan.
Like I said earlier, there's absolutely no reason to scoff at this mod if you're a Smash fan. If you don't believe me, you'll just have to wait and see when the second demo comes out.
Riposte
Member
"Exploits" aside, Melee had a different set of physics that made for a very different game. It was faster, ring outs were more brutal and combos were actually possible.
Dunno what glitches you're talking. Unless you consider being able to combo effectively a glitch.
Features man, those are called features.