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[jorgejjvr]

Why own the DLC ? to play it why else ... It's a weird argument, people who want to play the DLC would need to buy it irrespective of if the game is on game pass or not.

I have game pass till 2026, I'm not planning to skip any DLC and if I don't want to resub in 2026 I can just get the game for cheap then and still have access to that DLC without buying it again.

I got Metro Exodus EE's DLC when the game was on game pass, and after it got taken off of game pass, I just got the game for $5 separately and I still own all the DLC.

Same, waiting for Metro Exodus was so worth it, buying game at $5 was insane

I just bought me a couple of more months to have gp till 2026 now saw a bit of a discount on Amazon

 

[Black_Stride]

I don't understand xbox fans mind. Don't want pay for games but think it is ok to pay $31 for an upgrade to play a game 5 days early you don't own. Wtf

They can read.
The Premium Edition comes with the first Story DLC, Soundtrack and Artbook, some silly skins AND you get to play the game 5 days early.

 

[Pop]

Sneaky way of making money from the hardcore crowd. Technically still Day 1 on gamepass.

So you need to buy gamepass and this upgrade, assuming you don't have GP. Might as well buy the game outright, at least you will own it.

 

[adamsapple]

They can read.
The Premium Edition comes with the first Story DLC, Soundtrack and Artbook, some silly skins AND you get to play the game 5 days early.

You know it's weird (in a good way) that the OST and Art download is 16 gigs. Either they have some super uncompressed as hell tracks or there's a lot of high rez art in that package.

Unfortunately that is also locked until the early access date so I can't open it yet

 

[Chukhopops]

Shocked (not really) at the amount of people deliberately ignoring the rest of what you get in the Premium upgrade just to mischaracterize it.

Did the same for FH5, played early, got two excellent expansions, VIP, premium car packs. Insane value and the game is still on GP almost two years later.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They can read.
The Premium Edition comes with the first Story DLC, Soundtrack and Artbook, some silly skins AND you get to play the game 5 days early.

Shocked (not really) at the amount of people deliberately ignoring the rest of what you get in the Premium upgrade just to mischaracterize it.

Did the same for FH5, played early, got two excellent expansions, VIP, premium car packs. Insane value and the game is still on GP almost two years later.

A lot of upset team blue members that aren't going to get to play it just trying to push buttons

 

[jorgejjvr]

How does one acces the soundtrack once it releases?

Also is the first dlc available day 1? Does this include future dlc? (I think it does)

Curious if first dlc is a quest mid game or after you roll credits

 

[adamsapple]

How does one acces the soundtrack once it releases?

The premium content shows as a separate selectable tile to me. You will probably open it like a game/app.

Also is the first dlc available day 1? Does this include future dlc? (I think it does)

They haven't said much about it other than the title. Shattered Space.

Kinda sounds like Broken Steel (fallout 3) so I'm gonna guess it takes place after the central narrative of the game.

No idea when it might release. All the Fallout 4 DLC was released within 12 months of the game, the first one was 4 months after release.

So this is likely gonna be Q1 2024 if I guess.

 

[twilo99]

What a crazy new money trap! Pay $31 for something you don't own. $31 + gamepass to rent a game for 6 days.

Mind blown.gif

But what if you are paying for gamepass anyway?

 

[Three]

Disagree for some people, and here's why: if you have a long term gamepass sub or plan to keep it for a long time, it's smarter to wait to buy the full game when it's $20. Will save you $50 in the long run.

But while you are waiting you're paying per month on top until the next game where you pay again. It's like both renting a car and paying half its cost then paying again to buy it when it's an old car. You're not really saving money when you do both. The best way to save is to not have FOMO and wait 5 days for the "day one" release. Then that's £34 in your pocket that you're actually saving. The artbook and soundtrack and unknown first dlc isn't something I'd pay £34 for especially for a game I don't even know I'm into yet but to each their own.

 

[poodaddy]

What a crazy new money trap! Pay $31 for something you don't own. $31 + gamepass to rent a game for 6 days.

Mind blown.gif

Except it also comes with the first DLC.

 

[Kiya's Guard]

Imagine subbing to gamepass just to play a BETHSOFT game earlier without day one patch

 

[Three]

But what if you are paying for gamepass anyway?

Then just wait 5 days. The 5 days early is just trying to get you to pay, likely for things you wouldn't have bought if it weren't for the 5 days early FOMO some suffer from.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

"Day 1 on Gamepass"

Are we just stating facts here? I’ll go next.

The earth’s atmosphere is made up primarily of nitrogen, oxygen and argon.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Imagine subbing to gamepass just to play a BETHSOFT game earlier without day one patch

It’s actually smart. For those who will sink 50-100+ hours into the game in one month, and be finished with it, they’re essentially getting the entire game for less than half price.

Not sure what the issue is that you have with it. Are you jealous that PS doesn’t offer opportunities with major AAA games like this to have them early and have full access to them without needing to pay the full $70 for them up front? Maybe you’re playing on the wrong platform, brah.

Dunno what to tell ya

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Imagine subbing to gamepass just to play a BETHSOFT game earlier without day one patch

So now its about not having a day one patch.

Where did we get the info about when the patches would drop because I legit would like to see it?

And I suppose its a different patch than the one the reviewers got

 

[Three]

Except it also comes with the first DLC.

Which is what exactly? You could probably pay less for an all DLC pass/bundle later. It's like those people who sell you a mystery box for £34 and you don't even know what's in it. That's worse than preordering games (that you can at least research) and a lot seem against that for some reason.

 

[VitoNotVito]

The more time I spent on GAF the more I realise being a "gamer" is just another way to waste your life on some pointless activity.

 

[Mercador]

If I decide to not continue my sub in 2025, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to purchase Starfield with an hefty discount by that time.

 

[THE DUCK]

But while you are waiting you're paying per month on top until the next game where you pay again. It's like both renting a car and paying half its cost then paying again to buy it when it's an old car. You're not really saving money when you do both. The best way to save is to not have FOMO and wait 5 days for the "day one" release. Then that's £34 in your pocket that you're actually saving. The artbook and soundtrack and unknown first dlc isn't something I'd pay £34 for especially for a game I don't even know I'm into yet but to each their own.

I would have stayed subscribed regardless, so implying that it's an increased cost to "stay" on gamepass is moot.

As to the usefulness of deluxe vs regular, that's an argument that could go either way, depending on the person.

 

[Three]

I would have stayed subscribed regardless, so implying that it's an increased cost to "stay" on gamepass is moot.

Is it? you're staying subscribed for the games like Starfield. So you staying subscribed is you paying for access to starfield already month after month. Especially if you sink a lot of gaming hours mostly into it. It's kind of why you're paying for gamepass is it not?

 

[twilo99]

Then just wait 5 days. The 5 days early is just trying to get you to pay, likely for things you wouldn't have bought if it weren't for the 5 days early FOMO some suffer from.

DLC is included in the $31 upgrade as well… what if you want that?

 

[twilo99]

Is it? you're staying subscribed for the games like Starfield. So you staying subscribed is you paying for access to starfield already month after month. Especially if you sink a lot of gaming hours mostly into it. It's kind of why you're paying for gamepass is it not?

If you are paying for gamepass to just play one game for a whole year or something you are doing it wrong.

Gamepass is for people who like to play different games without having to buy every single one..

 

[Three]

DLC is included in the $31 upgrade as well… what if you want that?

There is a reason why they don't just release the game 5 days earlier for everyone and just have that as the release date. They put it behind a £34 paywall to sell a first dlc which people don't even know what it will be to be interested in it.

 

[Three]

If you are paying for gamepass to just play one game for a whole year or something you are doing it wrong.

Gamepass is for people who like to play different games without having to buy every single one..

Sure but if you're doing this pay £34 for early access for the big releases that are actually worth the admission then its value proposition diminishes.

 

[THE DUCK]

Is it? you're staying subscribed for the games like Starfield. So you staying subscribed is you paying for access to starfield already month after month. Especially if you sink a lot of gaming hours mostly into it. It's kind of why you're paying for gamepass is it not?

For that game sure, but it only represents a small part overall. I get a ton of value overall from the group of all games, not just 1 or 2.
Plus pc gamepass included in ultimate as well.

 

[twilo99]

Sure but if you're doing this pay £34 for early access for the big releases that are actually worth the admission then its value proposition diminishes.

I’ve had gamepass for 3 years and this is the first time I decided to pay a little extra for a game that I like.

It’s good to have options .. if you want the extra content for a particular game you like, you pay extra, doesn’t seem like a big deal.

 

[RaySoft]

Kind of like buying new tires for a rental car to me. Not going to tell you what to do with you money though. For me, if I'm going to pay cash then I'm going to own the whole thing.

You could wait pages upon pages, but the answer is right there. I tip my hat for you Topher!

 

[Black_Stride]

You could wait for pages upon pages, but the answer is right there. I tip my hat for you Topher!

If you are gonna "rent" the car effectively indefinitely, why wouldnt you buy new tyres for it?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Shocked (not really) at the amount of people deliberately ignoring the rest of what you get in the Premium upgrade just to mischaracterize it.

Did the same for FH5, played early, got two excellent expansions, VIP, premium car packs. Insane value and the game is still on GP almost two years later.

Some people don't know if the expansion will be worth playing at all. I did not enjoy FH5, so glad I got to try it out on GamePass and "pass" on the expansions.

You do you. I didn't get GamePass to pay 50% of the cost of retail releases to play 5 days early and get some DLC included, but I guess that's how they try and recoup their money with the service.

 

[Ozriel]

Is it? you're staying subscribed for the games like Starfield. So you staying subscribed is you paying for access to starfield already month after month. Especially if you sink a lot of gaming hours mostly into it. It's kind of why you're paying for gamepass is it not?

One game?
Most people are paying for GP for access to a library of games. Just the next 2 months alone is already crazy stacked.

If you’re on a long term sub already, paying for DLC you were always going to buy isn’t such a bad thing.

 

[KillaJamm]

Why own the DLC ? to play it why else ... It's a weird argument, people who want to play the DLC would need to buy it irrespective of if the game is on game pass or not.

I have game pass till 2026, I'm not planning to skip any DLC and if I don't want to resub in 2026 I can just get the game for cheap then and still have access to that DLC without buying it again.

I got Metro Exodus EE's DLC when the game was on game pass, and after it got taken off of game pass, I just got the game for $5 separately and I still own all the DLC.

Yeah it's a solid arguement. There's just so much coming out in the next few months it just doesn't seem worth it for me as I can just play it on the 6th. Got Cyberpunk and Baldur's gate this month as well, enjoy though mate.

 

[adamsapple]

So now its about not having a day one patch.

Where did we get the info about when the patches would drop because I legit would like to see it?

And I suppose its a different patch than the one the reviewers got

 

[RaySoft]

If you are gonna "rent" the car effectively indefinitely, why wouldnt you buy new tyres for it?

My point was that in this day and age all the extra cost comes down to us, the consumers. The brass will always try and find new angles to earn that extra buck. It's up to us to hold them in check. No-one would rent anyting indefinitely if they had the means to buy it in the first place. But his point is still valid. If you are in a position that you have to rent a car, the state of the tires are still your responsibility.
Edit: for clearance: It shouldn't be

 

[Ozriel]

Some people don't know if the expansion will be worth playing at all. I did not enjoy FH5, so glad I got to try it out on GamePass and "pass" on the expansions.

Then those people can easily choose not to preorder the expansion.
Others are perfectly fine paying ahead for more handcrafted content for a highly anticipated title.

You do you. I didn't get GamePass to pay 50% of the cost of retail releases to play 5 days early and get some DLC included

Nobody ever promised deep discounts on DLCs for GamePass subscribers.

but I guess that's how they try and recoup their money with the service.

They recoup their money from your subscription money. Didn’t you pay with money?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Then those people can easily choose not to preorder the expansion.
Others are perfectly fine paying ahead for more handcrafted content for a highly anticipated title.




Nobody ever promised deep discounts on DLCs for GamePass subscribers.



They recoup their money from your subscription money. Didn’t you pay with money?

Sure, I paid the equivalent of like 3 games for 3 years of service. I've played a lot more than 3 games. So they likely need to do these incentives to get extra $$$ if they ever want the service to be profitable after accounting for all costs.

It's why expansions aren't free on GamePass.

It's their strategy to make. If I enjoy Starfield enough in the future that I really want to play the expansion (and the expansion has rave reviews), I'll just pay later for it.

 

[Chukhopops]

Some people don't know if the expansion will be worth playing at all. I did not enjoy FH5, so glad I got to try it out on GamePass and "pass" on the expansions.

You do you. I didn't get GamePass to pay 50% of the cost of retail releases to play 5 days early and get some DLC included, but I guess that's how they try and recoup their money with the service.

I respect when people prefer to buy directly, whether physical or digital.

Meanwhile at least three others are calling it stupid to use the sub + upgrade model and countless just ignore the rest of what you get to paint it as « 30 for 5 days ».

That’s what I consider dishonest but it’s no big deal in the end.

 

[Black_Stride]

My point was that in this day and age all the extra cost comes down to us, the consumers. The brass will always try and find new angles to earn that extra buck. It's up to us to hold them in check. No-one would rent anyting indefinitely if they had the means to buy it in the first place. But his point is still valid. If you are in a position that you have to rent a car, the state of the tires are still your responsibility.
Edit: for clearance: It shouldn't be

You can buy Starfield outright if you want and you can buy the expansion outright.

But you can also sub to Gamepass and play it then pay for the Premium edition to get the expansion (along with all the other extras the Premium edition comes with)

We like to claim people are "renting" games on GP as if they have no understanding what a subscription service is as if the concept is new to them or something.

His analogy is super reductive and doesn't reflect reality at all.

 

[BlackTron]

Can't wait to pay extra for a chance to evaluate whether I want to pay for the premium edition 5 days early.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

If you subscribe to Gamepass and you think early access + DLC is worth $31 then it makes sense to buy it (especially considering you can buy the base game later if you unsubscribe).

For others, maybe it doesn’t make sense.

Don’t get why that’s so damn hard for people to comprehend. Some of us like having the option to pay less money to experience something vs spending more money to own that thing forever and ever.

Do you guys refuse to see movies in the theater because you don’t get to keep the movie? Do you not go out for a nice steak dinner because you only get to eat it one time?

 

[draliko]

Is this the concern thread of the day? Lost count Still don't get why some of you don't like options?? You could always buy it, if renting it's morally wrong for you... you know gaming is an hobby and people spend their money in the weirdest way for hobbies...

 

[Big Baller]

Yeah, imma finish Outer Worlds before Starfield.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I dunno man, there's part of me that feels like if you're making me pay for access to the game than trying to make me buy DLC for it is quite shit

Who’s making you do all this? Sounds like a bad person in your life.

 

[Ozriel]

Sure, I paid the equivalent of like 3 games for 3 years of service. I've played a lot more than 3 games. So they likely need to do these incentives to get extra $$$

Your mistake is assuming the bulk of GP subscribers did the 3 years Gold conversion trick.

The average subscriber is paying full price.

Of course MTX and DLC provide extra revenue. But most F2P monsters aren’t on the service, they get only the 30% fraction from third party MTX and a lot of their first party titles so far aren’t microtransaction heavy.

if they ever want the service to be profitable after accounting for all costs.

Xbox leadership says it’s profitable. Any source for your claims?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Xbox leadership says it’s profitable. Any source for your claims?

Xbox leadership are a masterclass of fudging bad numbers to look better than they are.

Sure, it's profitable *if we exclude the entire cost of development for first party content. That's not really a genuine comparison, is it?

 

[Three]

It’s good to have options .. if you want the extra content for a particular game you like, you pay extra, doesn’t seem like a big deal.

I have no problem with people paying £34 for a mystery box dlc but I'd hardly call withholding the game for 5 days from those not paying extra as "having options".

 

[Evil Calvin]

I paid the $100 premium digital version. Whatever. I am just hoping it's a good game and will play for years.

 

[twilo99]

For that game sure, but it only represents a small part overall. I get a ton of value overall from the group of all games, not just 1 or 2.
Plus pc gamepass included in ultimate as well.

Yes, the service provides me with an enormous amount of entertainment already, I’m not going to stop playing all the other games on there just because of Starfield.

 

[twilo99]

I have no problem with people paying £34 for a mystery box dlc but I'd hardly call withholding the game for 5 days from those not paying extra as "having options".

What do you call something that is not a requirement?

 

[twilo99]

There is a reason why they don't just release the game 5 days earlier for everyone and just have that as the release date. They put it behind a £34 paywall to sell a first dlc which people don't even know what it will be to be interested in it.

Of course there is a reason, it’s called capitalism!

Still an option to get that extra DLC tho.