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Reggie: "Xbox(2) ... is a mistake"
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Duck of Death
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Reggie VS BeOnEdge
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Alcibiades
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old, he said this in an interview or somewhere during the DS frenzy...
TekunoRobby
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"Not that I want to ignore the Xbox," Fils-Aime qualified, "but certainly we believe that a rush to a new system is a mistake."
Nothing even remotely new-worthy out of that. They're basically saying a general opinion that's been known for quite a while. It's not even an attack or a slam, they just think that launching it very early could be a bad move and at this point it might be. I think it's pretty smart of MS and it might go very well for them but Sega really suffered from early launches, might be an indication, who the hell knows.
Nothing even remotely new-worthy out of that. They're basically saying a general opinion that's been known for quite a while. It's not even an attack or a slam, they just think that launching it very early could be a bad move and at this point it might be. I think it's pretty smart of MS and it might go very well for them but Sega really suffered from early launches, might be an indication, who the hell knows.
Rocket Punch
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CrimsonSkies
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They don't seem to have a big issue with bringing out new handhelds every other year now.
here is my take on it
reggie COULD be on to something.
now hear me out. first, I don't believe there is a chronological good or bad time to release a new console. 3 years isn't necessarily too early and 10 years isn't necessarily too late. It all depends on one thing, how much longer the existing consoles can remain viable.
so here's the thing that reggie (or more correctly Sony and Nintendo) probably know that we don't: How much longer can they keep developing and selling games for this generation? Sony and Nintendo feel they can keep successfully marketing games for another two years. Microsoft feels that this generation is effectively over and wants to move on.
As for who I believe? I'll go with the majority. When you have two not only multi-generationally experienced console manufacturers, but major game developers as well, saying that it is too early, and one inexperienced console manufacturer AND game developer saying the time is right, I'll side with the two experienced companies.
reggie COULD be on to something.
now hear me out. first, I don't believe there is a chronological good or bad time to release a new console. 3 years isn't necessarily too early and 10 years isn't necessarily too late. It all depends on one thing, how much longer the existing consoles can remain viable.
so here's the thing that reggie (or more correctly Sony and Nintendo) probably know that we don't: How much longer can they keep developing and selling games for this generation? Sony and Nintendo feel they can keep successfully marketing games for another two years. Microsoft feels that this generation is effectively over and wants to move on.
As for who I believe? I'll go with the majority. When you have two not only multi-generationally experienced console manufacturers, but major game developers as well, saying that it is too early, and one inexperienced console manufacturer AND game developer saying the time is right, I'll side with the two experienced companies.
Taking Nintendo's advice on the home-console market is like taking Nokia's advice on the handheld market.
Whether Nintendo's right or wrong, I'd want to hear it from someone who has proven they know what they're doing first. What Nintendo says shouldn't influence Microsoft's (or anyone else's) decisions one way or another.
Whether Nintendo's right or wrong, I'd want to hear it from someone who has proven they know what they're doing first. What Nintendo says shouldn't influence Microsoft's (or anyone else's) decisions one way or another.
Kobun Heat
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MEGAHOLOTON!
Kobun Heat
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And the GameCube turns a profit whereas the Xbox has caused Microsoft to lose umpteen billion dollars. But yeah, it's the GAMECUBE that was the misstep.jarrod said:
jarrod said:
Oh come on. Give me a break. The GBA hardware is a joke and the DS would be better served spending the money they're spending on the 2nd processor/screen on a wider screen and better hardware.
But noooooo, the DS is the THIRD PILLAR!
Huge losses? Do you realize they have complete dominance on the handheld market? They can afford a small loss on the hardware which would be easily couped by royalties. I wish people would stop thinking about the company and more about themselves and what they want in a system.
Same deal goes for MS if they screw us out of internal storage on the Xbox 2.
Hahaha... someone's sour.
Turning a profit, while losing marketshare, really isn't a step in the right direction. Sure, MS hasn't been money conscious on the Xbox hardware, but it's the owners that have gotten the benefits out of it. Of course, entering the market in a couple of years and becoming a key player in the console race doesn't count!
Kobun Heat said:
you're about the dumbest person to ever grace the forums.
Nintendo profits are still falling. Nintendo marketshare is plummeting. But keep riding that pony!
If all you care is about WW numbers, I can suggest a basic elementary school mathematics class where you compare simple numbers that really have no meaning in case with momentum swings and generational lead-out. Nintendo is getting owned in 2 territories by the big boys and Japan is the only thing saving face.
I wonder what nintendo is doing wrong? Perhaps suggesting they don't need 3rd party games? nah that can't be it! Perhaps it was going for connectivity between GBA and GCN instead of online? no!! Can't be that! Maybe it also has something to do with the raping and rehashing of their franchises to no end?
Oh wait, but you're Kobun Heat. You're Chris Kohler. You wrote a crappy book which somehow makes you think you're special. You will buy and praise everything Nintendo until you die, so why do I bother with you? What I say to you goes in one ear and out the other and you'll somehow twist this into something positive to Nintendo and Anti-Xbox. Oh well.
DopeyFish said:
Jesus christ, man. I think you might need to relax a little bit.
I've always assumed people who take things from 0 to Personal in 60 seconds (unless you actually did read his book) generally have social skills issues, so I'll leave it at that, primarily out of pity.
But remember: this is a discussion about video games. Chris Kohler didn't kill your pet dog or anally violate your girlfriend without using lube... at least not that I know of. Calm the fuck down.
Kobun Heat
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No, your post is "sour." Mine is pretty levelheaded.IJoel said:
Turning a profit, while losing marketshare, really isn't a step in the right direction. Sure, MS hasn't been money conscious on the Xbox hardware, but it's the owners that have gotten the benefits out of it. [/QUOTE]
Both systems have had their successes and failures. I just don't understand why Nintendo is said to be totally bombing and Microsoft succeeding when:
-there is no reasonable scenario that anyone can think of for the near future in which Nintendo will lose money, and
-there is no reasonable scenario that anyone can think of for the near future in which Microsoft has a shot at breaking even.
Microsoft has made some impressive marketshare and mindshare gains, for which they have paid dearly. Even once they start turning a profit--which is not yet in sight--they've got a long way to go before they break even on the deal.
When you can lose obscene amounts of money indefinitely, anyone can do it. Fuck, give me twenty billion dollars right now and I'll be a key player in the console race by Friday.
Kobun Heat
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I think he pretty much invalidated his entire post with that paragraph. Good on him.cabel said:
You're never going to hear me say that Nintendo hasn't made big, big mistakes. I just enjoy pointing out the fantastic double standard applied to the two companies and evaluations of their performance this gen.
CrimsonSkies
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"whereas the Xbox has caused Microsoft to lose umpteen billion dollar"
Link?
Link?
Kobun Heat
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"Umpteen" is not a real number.CrimsonSkies said:
Late Stage Marxist
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Xbox is pretty far from being portable.jarrod said: