ZoukGalaxy
Member
Which finally bother only honest buyers. Pirates getting a better version (performance, true offline, etc...)
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Resident Evil 4 Remake uses 4 DRMs on PC, at the same time
Its a he for sure.
Syphon Filter
Member
Steam is drm too to be fair.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Can I just buy a physical PC disc with a key you enter from the game manual and not have DRM please? Thanks.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Then we will just rip the disc and share the key.
If the key needs to be authenticated then we will just emulate the server and intercept the authentication request.
That would be a 10 minute job (if that) to crack these games.
For context Sonys games dont come with DRM other than Steams DRM......they are cracked the moment all the files are on Steam.
The Steam DRM emulator is currently out in the wild so if a game doesnt have any other DRM, you can literally crack those games yourself in minutes.
GOG!
Grildon Tundy
Member
Ok, so what if companies create some kind of "key" that regenerates every so often and does an automatic check-in via the internet to re-authenticate against a source of truth--
Oh.
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EA sports titles usually don't get cracked but it doesn't help that most of the games are only playable online.lol, imagine being a loyal, law-abiding (), paying customer and getting 4 DRMs shoved down your throat, while someone who pirates a game doesn't have to pay for a game AND has a more stable game as a result of no DRM.
Has there even been an instance when a game was simply uncrackable?
Buggy Loop
Member
Just 1 away from this image! Capcom and Denuvo really wants to fuck paying customers in the ass with this DRM.
They don’t even remove it a month after the initial sales.. RE 2 and Village had DRM removed after 2 years I think?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Nothing is uncrackable.
Thats what Denuvo v1 was supposed to be.....hell, for a while the Internet said piracy is dead, sites/forums/trackers simply closed down cuz they were not going to get new content.
CPY|CONSPIR4CY showed up.
But some games just never get cracked because no could be bothered to.
Griffon
Member
I never had any issue with any Denuvo enabled games, and more often than not I wasn't aware that said games had denuvo at all.
The DRM successfully preserved the launch sales of the game for months, which is a good thing. I'd call that a success for them.
I find people who moan about Denuvo weird (most likely pirates?).
The DRM successfully preserved the launch sales of the game for months, which is a good thing. I'd call that a success for them.
I find people who moan about Denuvo weird (most likely pirates?).
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So was it Capcom that came up with the abbreviation RE4R? Now it seems rather appropriate, when I first saw it I thought it was a word puzzle meaning "4 in the rear"
Eotheod
Member
Hah, didn't even click that it says rear.
DRM as a point of early sale decline due to piracy is fine, however it needs to be removed after 30 days maximum. You also need to ensure your game is polished to a T so that the technology is not fucking over legitimate customers. A lot to ask for in this day and age, but it's better doing that then pushing people to pirate because a dev couldn't be arsed to actually troubleshoot.
Azurro
Banned
For me it's always away... if a game has denuvo i refuse to buy it
Tested this release yesterday and runs smooth as butter (for scientific purposes only ofc)
You didn't buy the game? This is why you guys get Denuvo, you can't stop stealing games.
Shh
Member
This crap always slows games down on PC. Why do they keep doing this? This is why I stopped gaming on PC and just game exclusively on consoles. I'd buy a game, then I'd have to pirate the game with the DRM garbage removed just so it would be playable. PC gaming is cheaper, but I'd rather pay more for a game on a console than have to jump through hoops to make a game work on PC.
mY eXpErIeNcE iS tHe OnLy OnE tHaT mAtTeRs!
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Setsuna Mudou
Member
Azurro
Banned
I think you would have stolen the game regardless.
I'd clarify one thing here - anti-tamper != DRM, and it more often than not has nothing 'running in the background' (eg. VMProtect).
Now - DRM often employs Anti-Tamper to protect itself, but it's objectively wrong to say - using VMProtect = +1 DRM solution - it just isn't the case.
Also - for some anti-tamper, removing them is basically impossible without literally rewriting the entire code-block they protect.
Eg: VMProtect encodes protected code with cryptographically secure generated Virtual Machines (yes, multiple - for as many blocks as there are protected), so 'removal' would mean reverse-engineering entirety of protected code, deleting the encrypted version, and replacing it with manually written block of code that is now missing.
So the cracked versions improving performance is increasingly unlikely (and may be wholly impossible in some cases) with types of solutions employed.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
But the DRMs havent been removed?For me it's always away... if a game has denuvo i refuse to buy it
Tested this release yesterday and runs smooth as butter (for scientific purposes only ofc)
They are still there, they are still running, the crack is "just" replying with authentication=OK.
Soooooooooooooooo.........yeah.
You are still playing the game with Denuvo.
Just admit you are a pirate cuz pretty much every Denuvo crack has been a bypass not a removal, Capcom and others are known to update their exes with Denuvo-less versions some month after release cuz the current licensing of Denuvo is i believe month based, you license to use Denuvo for x amounts of months, after that period if you update your game you cant have Denuvo in it....so either stop updating or release the update with Denuvo removed.
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If anything you are more likely to find more hitches in the bypass version.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
What you think is absolutely irrelevant as you are talking out of your ass here.
You have no idea how much money I put into this hobby every single year lol
Setsuna Mudou
Member
After the game is cracked it's just a matter of time until the publisher removes the DRM and all the paying customers can finally get the performance they deserve on the game they paid for. So this is an absolute net positive for the consumer.
As an aside, the game literally uses less system RAM in the cracked version than in the uncracked one. Checked some comparisons and it was something like 16GB in the cracked version vs 17GB on the original one. Can be fps limiting for many people stuck on 8+8 dual channel.
I haven't had any "hitches" so far, but I've got an overkill beast pc anyway. It's likely more painful for people on mid-low end rigs.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Thats NOT how Denuvo licensing works.
And the System RAM thing is run to run variance.
Promoting Piracy is bad, and you should feel bad for being a cheapskate for such a good game.
BlackTron
Member
Being confronted with making a decision on how to approach a game full of this stuff usually demotivates me out of the launch/honeymoon period of the game at all, and if I ever get back around to it will be some sale or gamepass shit.
I just don't want to play video games bad enough to pirate a new, big GB title and set it up correctly/be wary of tech issues. The fact that they put the anti-piracy in the game, putting you in a mental loop that motivates you to be a pirate, has already started taking the fun out of gaming from the first moment and I'll just procrastinate or even never play it out of spite.
I just don't want to play video games bad enough to pirate a new, big GB title and set it up correctly/be wary of tech issues. The fact that they put the anti-piracy in the game, putting you in a mental loop that motivates you to be a pirate, has already started taking the fun out of gaming from the first moment and I'll just procrastinate or even never play it out of spite.
scoobidoo112
Member
Capcom has done the same thing with previous Resident Evil titles, Devil May Cry, and probably a few more.
They release these games with a whole bunch of DRM, then about a year or two later, they remove it.
You should probably wait until that happens.
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BlackTron
Member
Yeah, I know. By the time that happens, I'm usually paying attention to something else. Not that I never go back and play old games (lord knows I do) but many, many lost their chance by losing me in the launch hype window.
rodrigolfp
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Setsuna Mudou
Member
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yep, that's where I am. I wait for the games to have DRM removed but tend to move on, unless it's something that really stays relevant.
Azurro
Banned
I'm guessing you don't have enough money to put into the hobby it, since you still stole the game.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
What a pointless interaction, grow up my guy.
lukilladog
Member
There are lots of games on Steam without any DRM at all.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
Azurro
Banned
I have! I got a good job and everything. It is so cool, I don't have to steal to play games.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
omfg, just go away, disengage, you have said literally nothing of substanceI have! I got a good job and everything. It is so cool, I don't have to steal to play games.
lol, imagine being a loyal, law-abiding (
Has there even been an instance when a game was simply uncrackable?
Just going to point out that the release says the DRM still runs in the background, and there’s no evidence that the cracked version runs any better than the retail version
DareDaniel
Banned
Finished the 1st chapter. I don't know how it compares to the retail version, but the cracked version runs really good even if it still has a lot of shit running in the background.
kiphalfton
Member
Is it wrong that was the first thing I thought?
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
You dont have the retail to compare against?
lukilladog
Member
Azurro
Banned
I mean, it's ok, some people don't have enough of an income and need to resort to stealing games. For you, it's either eating or paying the developers for the game, I get it.
BTW, promoting piracy on GAF is a no no.
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Setsuna Mudou
Member
Fucks sake dude, let go, it's over. You're starting to annoy me with these stupid infantile takes.
Take the hint already...
DareDaniel
Banned
Finished the game! Got very few micro stutters and mostly during autosaves.
