It has nothing to do with his religion. Smears of anti-Semitism is just a cowardly way to stifle any criticism against Israel. I have many Jewish friends who I love dearly. There isn't an ounce of anti-Semitism in me. I just support any refusals to normalize with the state of Israel while the Palestinians do not enjoy civil rights.
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Rio Olympics : Egyptian Judoka Refuses to Shake Hands With Israeli
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It has nothing to do with his religion. Smears of anti-Semitism is just a cowardly way to stifle any criticism against Israel. I have many Jewish friends who I love dearly. There isn't an ounce of anti-Semitism in me. I just support any refusals to normalize with the state of Israel while the Palestinians do not enjoy civil rights.
Lepers who can't be touched? Didn't they just complete a Judo match? Maybe I haven't seen Judo in a while, but it's always looked like a hugging contest to me.
Well as long as some of your best friends are Jews.
'I have tons of jewish friends who love me dearly'... But god forbid if I am asked to shake their hand if they represent Israel. Criticism of Israel is not anti semitism. Thinking somehow that a poor Israeli athlete cannot be touched because of some fucked up pan arab/muslim nationalism and solidarity is sheer anti semitism.
Look at how much land was taken from Mongolia.
Do you support the Turkish occupation of Constantinople?
Audioboxer
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Apples and oranges. The victims of Israeli occupation are still around today living without rights nor status in subhuman conditions. If there were Greeks in Istanbul who had no citizenship, no rights, and no path to freedom then I'd be all for a boycott of Turkey as well.
It has nothing to do with touch. It has to do with normalization. Frankly, he never should have participated in the match in the first place. That's what he should have been criticized for.
If they met on the street? Sure, shake his hand and have a beer with him. No problem. But once he puts on that uniform with the flag on it, he's no longer just representing himself.
Well Turkey pretty much ethnically cleansed them as well as the Armenians and even invaded Cyprus and drove out Cypriots from their own land, but hey, as an Egyptian, not shaking hands with an Israeli is all that matters. The sad thing is, you don't see how ridiculous, racist, anti semitic and childish this makes you and supporters of this look.
Then he shouldn't even compete in the Olympics.
Valjean Lafitte
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Surah 5:51 said:
Surah 48:29 said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I would love to know where Mohammed had anything constructive to say about other religions.
If a Greek, Armenian, or Cypriot refused to shake hands with a Turk at the Olympics, I'd completely understand. I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.
Audioboxer
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Well you know maybe he thought he could beat the big bad Jew and be a national hero, so of course he should have participated... I mean, how could he lose to a Jew? Right?
Oh the shame. Oh the badge and honour on the uniform. Must not accept a handshake, remain proud, think of the badge.
Jeez.
Honestly I wish all the people expressing this much outrage over a handshake would be as vocal when Israel imprisons and murders innocent men, women, and children just for being Palestinian. Or when they build an Apartheid wall to imprison the people of Palestine.
I wonder how many potential Olympians we've missed out on because of the occupation? We'll never know.
I wonder how many potential Olympians we've missed out on because of the occupation? We'll never know.
Disgraceful. Don't show up if you're going to behave like that.
Going for the guilt trip defense I see.
Going for the guilt trip defense I see.
Morrigan Stark
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So true. No one has ever shown any outrage at Israel, ever. Especially not on Internet message boards.
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Honestly I don't even know why they hold the Olympics. Life should stop and just wallow in the worlds wrongs because its certainly impossible for individual people to be good and events to be created to try and celebrate diversity and bring good people together, regardless of where they are from. No, we can't have that, just despair.
Even went further with the Gymnasts taking a selfie together.
The Olympics are a great opportunity to realize that those barriers between countries don't have to be barriers between people.
After the 1980 and 1984 games, that is why the Goodwill Games were created. So we can unite through the power of sport. For a few weeks every 4 years humanity comes together. But shit like this is embarassing. Whatever. Was reading up on this further. Seems a Saudi female athlete forfeited a match so she later wouldn't have to match up against an Israeli. A handshake against a fellow athlete is too much.
Audioboxer
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Now she done us proud. As clipjoint pointed out above the real criticism here is why this athelete didn't forfeit and refuse to fight the Jew. She can kiss her badge on her uniform proudly before going to sleep as she done the right thing. What a hero.
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So you want the man to risk his life and his family life just so people in other countries can feel secure? Nahh son not like that.
Sucks but judo is a sport.
Audioboxer
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Why go to the Olympics at all then? There might be Israeli's and Jews in every event!!! Seems like Egypt should just forfeit all involvement so the athletes can be kept safe #thinkoftheathletessafety
This is getting ridiculous. I wouldn't have expected to see such bigotry attempted to be veiled discretely on GAF.
The loser in this event deserves the criticism he is getting and acts of bigotry however "minor" in the Olympics deserve to be met with sanctions and/or bans. Like they are in other sports.
crazy monkey
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That is bad. He should have shaken hand with him. Be a man.
Stay home from the Olympics then. It's clear you don't understand what the spirit of the games beyond all the corporate branding, sponsorships, performance enhancing drugs is. To unite through the power of sport. To bring humanity together.
k. I'm sure you have a well thought out argument showing the massive difference between groups of Europeans who converted to one of the Abrahamic religions and then decided to take over pats of the Levant for their own sense of religious and economic benefit.
Oh wait, no you don't.
So what? Literally another case of entitled strangerson the net. the man probably has a shit ton of death threats just for losing.
Edit: the man didn't have to shake his hand since it is not required in the rules. Gave him the bow and deuce
If Pakistanis and Indians can shake hands, North Koreans and South Koreans can take selfies, I am pretty sure an Egyptian can shake hands with an Israeli. Egypt probably has the best relations with Israel in the middle east. Wtf is this. Just because some racist and radical fucks back home didn't want him to shake his hand, that means it is okay?
Gave him the bow after being loudly booed and forced by the ref back to the mat to bow otherwise he didn't bow either.
Well right now it is under review but it doesn't look like a breach of rules. So yea apparently it is ok.
Because genetic testing disagrees with your assertion that the majority of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are European converts. Are you going to start telling me about the Khazars next?
timetokill
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He should probably be banned from judo competitions on an international level tbh
Any olympic committees that condone this should be banned as well. Reading up on it, it seems Lebanese athletes didn't even want to share a bus, Saudi organizers forced a female athlete to forfeit so she wouldn't be matched against an Israeli. Just shameful.
Hmm, been a while since I looked into it. It's problematic when articles on subjects like this are incorrect. Ah well, its good that more definitive research has been done to clear up any previous misconceptions. Interestingly the other outcome from that research time frame, that Jews have a shared ancestry with Palestinians and others in the area, seems to be correct.
Vermillion
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Yup. I'm not necessarily going to shit on him for this - he'll get enough grief for losing when he gets back home. It's absolutely terrible that these politics have to be carried into the Olympics
He loses either way. It's definitely the nature of his country, and not just him as a person. Some athletes won't even face each other because of the politics back in their home countries.
How fucking sad, ain't it? He looks like a douchebag to worldwide audience, but the repercussions if he had given the handshake would probably ruin him for life back home.
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You can be quick to say the guy is an idiot, he might very well be if he hates the guy for being Israeli, but it might also just be him believing that if he does shake hand with him he'll never hear the end of it back home. For all we know he would have liked to shake his hand, we don't know.
Morrigan Stark
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Then he shouldn't compete at an international event where he risks running into those evil Israeli athletes.
Enough with the bullshit excuses for this anti-semitic asshole.
Can you imagine if a Russian athlete refused to shake the hands of an openly gay athlete. People here would be wanting to start world war 3.
If Indians and Pakistanis can shake hands. North Koreans can take selfies with South Koreans and even Americans, pretty sure an Egyptian can shake hands with an Israeli. Egypt isn't Iran. They have perhaps the best relationship with Israel in the middle east. Just crazy how people are straight up making 'tales from their ass' about how maybe the guys ancestors were killed by Israelis or how his life is supposedly in danger at home, etc.
Hyperactivity
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Olympics have had nasty stuff happen between tense countries (example I can best think of 1956 Hungary and USSR water polo match), but that doesn't mean it's something that should be normalized or ok
If dude would've actually been in trouble at home, than I can't blame him as much, but it's hard to imagine that he couldn't have done the mandatory bow and just said it's mandatory. Maybe that still would have been too much, but in that case, don't show up to the Olympics
If dude would've actually been in trouble at home, than I can't blame him as much, but it's hard to imagine that he couldn't have done the mandatory bow and just said it's mandatory. Maybe that still would have been too much, but in that case, don't show up to the Olympics
Exactly! Seeing pictures like this makes me really happy. What that man did was absolutely disgraceful. He should be barred from participating in the Olympics again if he's going to be that unsportsmanlike.
Could have been a hero and a symbol of powerful respect to the nut jobs in his own part of the world.
Too bad he chose to look like a little child instead.
Get rekt and take that karma, scrub.
Pretty ironic that the large governments in the ME, KSA, Egypt, etc. are all more closely entangled with the Israeli state than ever before. You never hear shit about that.
Too bad he chose to look like a little child instead.
Get rekt and take that karma, scrub.
Pretty ironic that the large governments in the ME, KSA, Egypt, etc. are all more closely entangled with the Israeli state than ever before. You never hear shit about that.
gutter_trash
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http://olympics.cbc.ca/video/vod/egyptian-judo-athlete-refuses-shake-the-hand-israeli-opponent.html
CBC link for Canadians who can't see the NBC link
zero sportsmanship on the party of the Egyptian athlete.
The Fiji Rugby team (gold) showed exceptional sportsmanship and they were super friendly and gracious towards the silver and bronze medalists and invited them all the jumble together for a giant group photo
CBC link for Canadians who can't see the NBC link
zero sportsmanship on the party of the Egyptian athlete.
The Fiji Rugby team (gold) showed exceptional sportsmanship and they were super friendly and gracious towards the silver and bronze medalists and invited them all the jumble together for a giant group photo
Jag
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Absolutely. He did it to snub the guy and look like a hero. He came out looking like a loser and an ass.
bonesmccoy
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That's a shame. Oh well I guess there are somethings sports can't do, despite what ESPN told me about football.
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