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[Winter John]

Not sure why you think strawmanning is doing your case any good here but keep on trucking

 

[Kagey K]

Just hold on and think what we are discussing here.

A person, who did something certain folks dislike.
And that "something" is:

1) believing school shooting conspiracy (re-tweet)
2) claiming that transwomen have advantage over cis-women (I hope I'm not messing terminology up), since they at the very least have male bones (which are bigger/heavier/stronger)

This is not a sort of #censorship is it? They don't suppress her speech, merely want to erase her as a person.

Nowadays, that’s all social censoring, sorry “deplatforming” is.

Basically kill all social media presence, and that person might as well be dead. It’s a digital murder of sorts, but kills them all the same.

 

[Kagey K]

Not sure why you think strawmanning is doing your case any good here but keep on trucking

So cherry picking the last 2 fights is?

I was never, nor am I still a fan of Rhonda. I thought her fights were boring and always ended the same.

I won’t try to take away anything she’s done because her last couple opponents were better then her.

To try to take away her “acting” jobs because she got beat in the ring is fucking stupid.

Attack the arguement, not the person.

 

[Ogbert]

The reason why this conversation is silly is because people are focussing on what a Trans individual is, rather that focussing on what sport is.

Sport is competition within a rigid framework of age and gender that celebrates 'natural' variation between competitors. I use 'natural' in the organic sense, rather than any moral judgement. So, no drugs.

To that end, there's a very simple answer, let Trans individuals compete in their own category.

 

[Majukun]

This is grade A bullshit by the way. Being born a man and going through puberty cannot be undone by hormones. Bone density, frame size, men tend to have larger skulls, larger hands and feet, completely different torsos, the list goes on and on. A man who has drilled exercise into his muscles and body with testosterone completely retains this muscle memory and technique, no matter how much you attempt to transition them.

The same was as taking steroids or other PEDs is banned, because if you train on steroids or EPO to improve your cardio, your body retains the abilities after the banned substances are gone. It's pretty standard stuff and well known to MMA fighters, boxers etc. Vitor Belfort abused TRT for years and had a ridiculous body of a 21 year old at age 40, causing serious damage to other fighters along his win streak. Cris Cyborg, while clean now, roided up in Brazil and looks like a man still. She passes tests because shes clean, but remains a murderer.

Theyve even just banned a runner for having natural elevated levels of testosterone, and all she does is run on a track. A man who goes through puberty, spends 30 years with testosterone in his system, training, living, working, who then transitions, is not a woman. He's a man with an altered body, retaining a large amount of his advantages, and should not be beating up women. It's not even up for debate, apart from by deranged activists.

i'm in no way , shape or form an expert in the matter, but if we consider the fact that there are scientific studies inquiring how much of that natural advantage is retained after changing,i'm tempted to say that maybe the problem is not as clear cut as you depict it.

but i also don't really care that much myself since i'm not transgender and i'm not one of the guys in charge to decide,so whatever i think is ininfluent.

 

[Winter John]

So cherry picking the last 2 fights is?

I was never, nor am I still a fan of Rhonda. I thought her fights were boring and always ended the same.

I won’t try to take away anything she’s done because her last couple opponents were better then her.

To try to take away her “acting” jobs because she got beat in the ring is fucking stupid.

Attack the arguement, not the person.

She was fed cans like Cat Zingano for most of her UFC career. Anyone can look at her record and see that. I'd put the blame on Dana for it because at the time he was trying to build up wmma, but he didn't do her any favors at all. When she finally had to face 2 real opponents she got her ass well and truly kicked. That's what happens when a career is built on fighting gym rats. The upside of it was it lead to her move to WWE, where she seems to be a lot happier and has done well for herself.

 

[Tesseract]

are you really shitting on one of the greatest judo artists of our time with a couple of gifs

LMAO

 

[mcjmetroid]

Not that I've agreeing with the article but I do think it's funny that they tried so hard to appease these people only to have then shit on you.


This is what happens when you deal with the boy who cried wolf people.

2 games in one week, this and days gone and both are "controversial".

 

[Enygger_Tzu]

So why do we care what Kotaku thinks? They are wrong in 99% of their "reporting", and of course Ronda is right in her decision and should stand by it.

I just wait to see what NRS reply will be in this fabricated controversy.

 

[Mista]

WHO CAAAREEESSSSS?????? Is it going to change anything in the gaming industry? No. So screw all of them

 

[Tapioca]

I had no clue that was supposed to be her, it didnt look like her.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Can Kotaku hurry up and go under, please? Thanks.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Weird, this showed up in my articles of interest.

Though I have no idea how. Bad google! Are they all launching a smear campaign at once or just parroting each other as per usual?

It's funny how Netherrealm decided to go to bat for these lunatics and make a game to pander to them and now once again, they've found something to throw a bitch fit about.

Exactly. They will never be satisfied no matter how much you pander to them it’s inevitable that they will find something to complain about or nitpick. Why do these developers roll out for red carpet for these people again?

 

[Virex]

These people that are complaining don't even fucking play video games. Fuck these people

 

[Sub_Level]

Sonya's moves were changed a little to give a more mma vibe. For example she doesnt have her bicycle kick but instead an air grab. End result is she is top tier just like in mk9. For that detail alone i'd say rousey was a net positive.

 

[HarryKS]

She was fed cans like Cat Zingano for most of her UFC career. Anyone can look at her record and see that. I'd put the blame on Dana for it because at the time he was trying to build up wmma, but he didn't do her any favors at all. When she finally had to face 2 real opponents she got her ass well and truly kicked. That's what happens when a career is built on fighting gym rats. The upside of it was it lead to her move to WWE, where she seems to be a lot happier and has done well for herself.

When they say MMA pioneer, it might just be the fact that she brought in more money than anyone else right? You're missing the point by a nautical mile here. It's not an assessment of quality or performance in the ring.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

That 'can' Cat Zingano actually stopped one of those 'real' opponents.

 

[angelic]

i'm in no way , shape or form an expert in the matter, but if we consider the fact that there are scientific studies inquiring how much of that natural advantage is retained after changing,i'm tempted to say that maybe the problem is not as clear cut as you depict it.

but i also don't really care that much myself since i'm not transgender and i'm not one of the guys in charge to decide,so whatever i think is ininfluent.

The scientific "studies" are politically motivated drivel, feeding into the current pathetic climate of allowing male athletes to switch genders over 1 year then start smashing female achievements. Reducing testosterone doesn't diminish any of the advantages anywhere near enough, and some of them arent even touched (body proportions etc). Trans athletes need their own category, because they dont meet the criteria of men and women.

or tldr, watch this information film

 

[Winter John]

When they say MMA pioneer, it might just be the fact that she brought in more money than anyone else right? You're missing the point by a nautical mile here. It's not an assessment of quality or performance in the ring.

Well they didn't say that did they. They said "MMA Pioneer." So it's more than reasonable to assume that in an article about a UFC fighter the "pioneer" tag would be a reference to her achievements as a fighter in the UFC. If we're going to pretend that isn't the logical assumption, then I'd say when they called her an MMA Pioneer it might just be the fact that she had the pointiest elbows in the UFC. So it's you who's missing the point by a nautical mile here. It's not an assessment of who has brought in the most money, it's who has the pointiest elbows.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Rousey is a great Judoka and MMA fighter. I do not agree with her politics, but she is a great fit for a fighting game.

She's an awful actress though, which is all that matters for a voice actor.

 

[mcjmetroid]

She's an awful actress though, which is all that matters for a voice actor.

Then she should be criticized in an article called "Why celebraties don't make the best voice actors in videogames" and not for this random bullshit.
Criticize her work on the project which is fair and what gaming journalists used to focus on.

 

[HarryKS]

Well they didn't say that did they. They said "MMA Pioneer." So it's more than reasonable to assume that in an article about a UFC fighter the "pioneer" tag would be a reference to her achievements as a fighter in the UFC. If we're going to pretend that isn't the logical assumption, then I'd say when they called her an MMA Pioneer it might just be the fact that she had the pointiest elbows in the UFC. So it's you who's missing the point by a nautical mile here. It's not an assessment of who has brought in the most money, it's who has the pointiest elbows.

It isn't the logical assumption. You're rambling. She was the biggest star on the roster and pioneered the way for women, not in MMA perhaps, but the UFC, which is the premier platform for the sport. Barely anyone else has as much star power as her in the fighting scene.

 

[Barnabot]

I can kinda understand Kotaku because they started off as something else, but who the fuck reads Waypoint? What kind of braindead dribbler actually consumes that nonsense unironically?

What's wrong with you Scopa ?

Don`t you like headlines like this?

"Kingdom Hearts' True Magic Isn't Disney, It's Men Showing Vulnerability

The Square Enix mashup franchise hasn't lasted more than 15 years because you can visit the world of 'Frozen,' it's the surprising meditation on toxic masculinity."

Doesn't it turn you on? It's KH3 and this is a game about fighting toxic masculinity.

/s

 

[Silent Duck]

What the fuck is "transmisogynistic "???

Are we just making up words now and ignoring all the other majority studies agreeing with Ronda?

I made up the word fellatial in my reply in response to this.

I’m tired of having to learn new “woke- abulary” every two seconds. Let’s just call everything “smurf”. It’ll make life so much easier.

 

[Cunth]

those 'journalists' are just bullies, trying to bully companies to do what they want

 

[Hudo]

Bloggers.

 

[Horsemama1956]

It isn't the logical assumption. You're rambling. She was the biggest star on the roster and pioneered the way for women, not in MMA perhaps, but the UFC, which is the premier platform for the sport. Barely anyone else has as much star power as her in the fighting scene.

Are you being serious? Her career was totally manufactured(though for the benefit of the womens division). The second the division was legit and real competition started to come she left before her image was destroyed. She was the UFC version of Gina Carano.

If she started her career now she would likely be bottom tier and a nobody. Shes a fucking terrible actor as well.

 

[Wolfgang Jr]

Ronda blocks kicks with her neck

merely want to erase her as a person.

Holmes did that.

 

[TeamGhobad]

Noted MMA pioneer

she was great in beating up soccermoms that did mma on the side. once the sport went fully professional she was out.

 

[Mista]

those 'journalists' are just bullies, trying to bully companies to do what they want

Worst journalists ever if they think writing a bunch of articles complaining will change anything

 

[Shifty]

Ah yes, I caught this yesterday. Quite
possibly one of the whiniest Kotaku articles I've ever read, and that's saying something.

If you can't come up with a negatory better than "wah this sucks " to describe the inclusion of someone you spuriously allege to be a conspiracy-pushing bigot then your heart clearly isn't in it.

The sooner these fuckers crash, burn, and get replaced with actual journalists the better. Someone needs to poke fun at her subpar line delivery, but it sure isn't these clowns.

Worst journalists ever if they think writing a bunch of articles complaining will change anything

Armchair slacktivism at its finest

What's wrong with you Scopa ?

Don`t you like headlines like this?

"Kingdom Hearts' True Magic Isn't Disney, It's Men Showing Vulnerability

The Square Enix mashup franchise hasn't lasted more than 15 years because you can visit the world of 'Frozen,' it's the surprising meditation on toxic masculinity."

Doesn't it turn you on? It's KH3 and this is a game about fighting toxic masculinity.

/s

I see you too have picked up on Scopa 's simmering love for all things Kingdom Hearts

 

[Nymphae]

The Square Enix mashup franchise hasn't lasted more than 15 years because you can visit the world of 'Frozen,' it's the surprising meditation on toxic masculinity."

Yes it is exactly that draw that brings people in your moron. These people are so disconnected from reality it actually scares me a bit sometimes.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

What's wrong with you Scopa ?

Don`t you like headlines like this?

"Kingdom Hearts' True Magic Isn't Disney, It's Men Showing Vulnerability

The Square Enix mashup franchise hasn't lasted more than 15 years because you can visit the world of 'Frozen,' it's the surprising meditation on toxic masculinity."

Doesn't it turn you on? It's KH3 and this is a game about fighting toxic masculinity.

/s

Possibly the most moronic thing I have ever had the misfortune of reading.

 

[The Alien]

Mortal Kombat and Days Gone are the current social and political battlegrounds.

Thankfulky i'm probably a little older than most on this site. I had the opportunity to grow up in a time when video games were......fun.

 

[Barnabot]

Yes it is exactly that draw that brings people in your moron. These people are so disconnected from reality it actually scares me a bit sometimes.

I guess it's too much projection and expectations on simply fictional characters. But I think both Kotaku and Waypoint are ERA's bitches so that's why they pander too much to that audience.

 

[Futaleufu]

she was great in beating up soccermoms that did mma on the side. once the sport went fully professional she was out.

She did everything she could to duck Cris Cyborg and later we found out why.

 

[TeamGhobad]

She did everything she could to duck Cris Cyborg and later we found out why.

ya she went down 2 weightclasses from her judo weight and wanted cris to go down. it felt great seeing her get taken out twice!

 

[Winter John]

It isn't the logical assumption. You're rambling. She was the biggest star on the roster and pioneered the way for women, not in MMA perhaps, but the UFC, which is the premier platform for the sport. Barely anyone else has as much star power as her in the fighting scene.

I'm rambling? You came in and claimed that the label MMA pioneer had nothing to do with her career as a fighter and asserted it was a reference to her earnings.

"it might just be the fact that she brought in more money than anyone else right?"

This is your interpretation of MMA Pioneer.

Most people like myself who watch MMA would naturally assume that when they see an article about Rousey with the tag MMA Pioneer, it's a reference to her MMA fighting career not her earnings as you believe. It's amazing that this has to be explained to you.

 

[Scopa]

Everybody shutthafuckup. Let me help you...

RONDA ROUSEY

- Hit the MMA scene like a lightning bolt
- Dominated for a time
- Was great exposure for the sport
- Did well for herself
- Was kinda hot for a little while there
- Lost her last two fights
- Now she’s grumpy a lot

Ok. Now, let’s continue mocking the nitwits at Kotaku and Waypoint please.

 

[DonF]

Just imagine now how fellatial the article would've been if it was one of the Williams sisters as Jax and you'll see why gaming Game "journalism" is a joke now.

ftfy, specially Vice and Kotaku.

 

[BigBooper]

It's like they do have a cabal or SJW union where every company has to have at least one representative to keep everyone else in line. Brad Shoemaker on GB has to virtue signal his hand wringing on absolutely anything that might not fit the narrative.

Kotaku has Patricia Hernandez. Waypoint is like the beacon on the SJW hill. Most of these people celebrate kink and whatever is out of the norm. I normally don't pay much attention to them, but I'm truly amazed at how successful they have been at promoting their degeneracy.
It's social networking that has caused this mind numbing of humanity. You think before social media Chase would have been apologetic about their non "poor shaming" ad? No way. There's been TV ads saying the same kind of things for decades.

What can we do?

 

[#Phonepunk#]

fuck both these publications

it is also kinda funny how these both pretend to be uber woke meanwhile this is a coordinated effort between male owned publications to silence and shame a hard working woman. great work, modern feminism.

 

[mckmas8808]

I can kinda understand Kotaku because they started off as something else, but who the fuck reads Waypoint? What kind of braindead dribbler actually consumes that nonsense unironically?

Their podcast is actually good.

 

[Hendrick's]

Transphobe because she doesn't want to have to fight a biological man? Seems more like common sense.

 

[John Day]

Journalists is to much a title for these people.

But this world is full of people that eat that shit so... we’re fucked.

 

[Hinedorf]

I personally enjoy a lot of stuff off of Kotaku but I would also say it's good to be picky as in some cases they write complete nonsense more than likely based on a daily quota.

I'm glad somebody asked - "What the fuck is "transmisogynistic "???"
Apparently there's a new thing invented to hate that I didn't even know existed.

 

[Kenji Ramon]

Ronda is an awful actor and a shitty person going by those Sandy Hook tweets. No idea how NRS employed this woman without any checks but then again I suppose they don’t care because of the marketing she pulled in.

 

[KoolAidPitcher]

No she would not have the same muscles because part of the change process involves taking a lot of stuff that inhibits muscle growth.
If that is enough to level the competition, we dunno, most studies I've read fall into the 'fuck of we know' category because number of athletes tested and funding is small.

There are als concerns about bone density of course

The fact of the matter is, when activists say "the science is still unknown" what they really mean is "the science does not support my own political viewpoint."

It is ridiculous to argue that a biological male and a biological female are on equal footing in sports. Feminists fought for decades to have womens sports teams, and the reason is because there are obvious physical differences between men and women. PEOPLE are not on equal footing in sports. Some win the genetic lottery and are more physically capable than others. The question is, whether being a biological male gives one an unfair advantage, and the answer is yes.

Real science begins with a question and seeks an answer, whatever that answer may be. Activist science begins with a conclusion and seeks any small kernel of truth to support that conclusion. In today's environment, we need to be more cautious of the source of information and be able to recognize advocacy research.

 

[Northeastmonk]

Looking at the man or woman behind the curtain seems to be the only thing some people can do.

A new game gets announced. Let's go a head and run a polygraph test on the development team to make sure we can play it.

 

[Majukun]

The fact of the matter is, when activists say "the science is still unknown" what they really mean is "the science does not support my own political viewpoint."

It is ridiculous to argue that a biological male and a biological female are on equal footing in sports. Feminists fought for decades to have womens sports teams, and the reason is because there are obvious physical differences between men and women. PEOPLE are not on equal footing in sports. Some win the genetic lottery and are more physically capable than others. The question is, whether being a biological male gives one an unfair advantage, and the answer is yes.

Real science begins with a question and seeks an answer, whatever that answer may be. Activist science begins with a conclusion and seeks any small kernel of truth to support that conclusion. In today's environment, we need to be more cautious of the source of information and be able to recognize advocacy research.

as i said before, i'm no expert..but in all the studies i've seen is reported that science still doesn't know exactly what is the precise cause of the blatant difference in physical performance between genders.

testosterone is an obvious suspect but apparently science still doesn't know exactly if it is the only culprit and if the effects it has on the body gets reduced, and by how much, if not completely eliminated, when you artificially stop the production of it through the usual hormone therapy given during change.

a reduction in the muscular tone is definitely there, at least according to the studies i've read, but no scientist, at least in the studies i've read, has been able to measure if that reduction really brings an ex male to the level of a woman athlete.

and of course there are several other biological differences between male and female that can be equally as relevant..but since we have very little transgender athletes and even less of them that are available for prolonged testing and comparison from when they were of the opposite gender, scienntists are still being cautious to emit any sentence.

are those politically motivated? frankly i don't know, but since they are scientist that studied this sector and I am a no one, i'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I only even read all those studies because during a similiar thread on era an user linked all of them as supporting his thesis...maybe without thinking that someone would actually take the time to read them line by line and discover that most of them were inconclusive and only on the basis of that inconclusiveness suggested that since we have no proof of an advantage, we had no reason to deny them the right to compete in their new genre's cathegory..but also clearly said that more research was needed before we can give any kind of blanket assessment on the matter.