cartman414
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Diablo 2 outranking BG3. What.
Also, SMB3 should have been on the list instead of SMW.
Also, SMB3 should have been on the list instead of SMW.
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Rolling Stone Releases 50 Greatest Video Games of All Time List
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Madflavor
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I played BotW about two years after it came out, well after the hype died down. It's a great game but the dungeons are awful, the enemy variety is pretty pitiful, and the durability system was pretty annoying. It's just not fun carrying 20+ random weapons because they're constantly breaking. Most of the exploration resulted in koroks or the same dungeon aesthetic. Again it's a great game, but the way so many journalists claim it to be the greatest video game ever made, mystifies me.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
botw #1 and totk nort list?? ahaa
stuuuuupiiiiddd
stuuuuupiiiiddd
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Why in the hell would Tears of the Kingdom be on the list if Breath of the Wild is number 1? Greatness is not only defined by being "better" but by also by the impact of the moment it was in.
Tears of the Kingdom is a better game but it's not greater.
Tears of the Kingdom is a better game but it's not greater.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
its better annnnnd greater
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
These sorts of lists are impossible, but people need to stop dickriding Super Mario World like it's the peak of that series, and not a very rushed, unambitious, predictable sequel that lost ground to the competition and failed to advance the series when it really should have.
CLW
Member
Funny how the ENTIRE sports game genre has been RUINED by the pay to win card game model
Hugare
Member
Imagine putting at the top of the list a game that became practically disposable after the release of its improved sequel.
And no Mario 64 in sight, lol
Soapbox Killer
Nonsense. Mario Galaxy 2 didnt make Galaxy 1 useless. Majora Mask didnt make Ocarina of Time useless. Mass Effect 2 didnt make Mass Effect 1 useless.
Same for Gears 2 and 1, Halo 3 and 2, and so many other sequeles.
TOTK did just that with BOTW, tho. There's no reason for you to go back to the same map and worst everything in BOTW after having experienced TOTK.
It makes you miss Fuse all the time when your weapons break, or miss the Champions (now actually useful) powers for traversal or combat. Or those much better dungeons and bosses from TOTK. Or the Ascend skill to help climbing mountains and etc.
Fuse and Ascend were basically designers admiting how boring traversal was in BOTW and how broken the weapon mechanic was.
Making the sequel in the same map really made it obvious how worse BOTW was
And no Mario 64 in sight, lol
Soapbox Killer
Nonsense. Mario Galaxy 2 didnt make Galaxy 1 useless. Majora Mask didnt make Ocarina of Time useless. Mass Effect 2 didnt make Mass Effect 1 useless.
Same for Gears 2 and 1, Halo 3 and 2, and so many other sequeles.
TOTK did just that with BOTW, tho. There's no reason for you to go back to the same map and worst everything in BOTW after having experienced TOTK.
It makes you miss Fuse all the time when your weapons break, or miss the Champions (now actually useful) powers for traversal or combat. Or those much better dungeons and bosses from TOTK. Or the Ascend skill to help climbing mountains and etc.
Fuse and Ascend were basically designers admiting how boring traversal was in BOTW and how broken the weapon mechanic was.
Making the sequel in the same map really made it obvious how worse BOTW was
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Ironman_Bad
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Should be #1 most overrated game of all time Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past way ahead of Boring of the Wild
MacReady13
Member
Shocking list. Shocking. Resident Evil 4 so low? Where’s Super Mario Bros 3? Super Mario 64? Wipeout 2097? Ocarina? Link to the Past that low? Fortnite is in? Fuck me these clowns have no idea.
Johnny Concrete
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Dumb list.
CityHunter1981
Member
Where is Ocarina of Time? A link to the past so low? Breath of the wild number 1???
That list is just so wrong….
That list is just so wrong….
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Honestly, a pretty damn good list. Obviously a lot of games that are missing that I’d add, but I don’t really disagree with the ones they have there. Even NBA2k.
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Ceadeus
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But not only it could have been any of the 2K basketball game before 2K11 but also it could have been another sport like golf or hockey. It's just a bit weird there's a game used to be seen in the 5$ bin at GameStop but they could have picked so many other game that seem to suit this spot better. I can be wrong though.
Maybe it's a god damn good basketball game like no other.
YOU PC BRO?!
Gold Member
Jumped to the top 10 and stopped as soon as I saw Breath of the Wild at #1. Hell, Breath of the Wild is a good game but is in no way the best Zelda game in the franchise, never mind the best game of all time. OoT, ALttP and even WW are objectively better games in my view. I'll never understand how completely overrated BotW and TotK are. What a joke.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
The spelled Majora's Mask wrong.
Mhmmm 2077
Member
>46 League of Legends
stopped reading there
stopped reading there
hemo memo
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TheRedRiders
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We don’t need journalist and media outlets deciding for us which games are the best. Fuck off.
hemo memo
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CashPrizes
Member
Out of all of those, only Starcraft is a sure fire inclusion. And Ocarina but they probably just made a decision to not have too many Zelda games on the list, and LttP and BotW are both better.
CashPrizes
Member
No Final Fantasy VI and no Starcraft are the 2 big obvious omissions. I would also have Tie Fighter on there along with Streets of Rage 2, Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout 2, and X-Com 2(in the new series). Civilization IV and Day of the Tentacle I can see being edged out. But not for the sake of crap like Animal Crossing on Switch, which isn't even a good Animal Crossing game. Also yeet Super Smash Ultimate, Sonic 2, and Celeste right off the list.
Mass Effect 2 should be in the top 20. Castlevania SOTN should be at least 20 spots higher, same with Chrono Trigger.
It's actually a decent list, but kind of all over the place priority wise. They definitely are rewarding impact with Tetris at #2, but no original Super Mario Brothers on NES? I am not advocating SMB be on the list, I prefer Super Mario World represent the series, but why does the more advanced but less influential Mario bros game make it to the top 10 but we just keep the original basic ass Tetris? Maybe it is just me, I never like to see original Tetris in the top 10 on these kinds of lists. There are like 20 games that do that exact puzzle piece drop thing except better and faster and more beautifully and joyously (Tetris Effect, Puzzle Fighters, every Lumines game). I would rather they reward the culmination of the genre.
Mass Effect 2 should be in the top 20. Castlevania SOTN should be at least 20 spots higher, same with Chrono Trigger.
It's actually a decent list, but kind of all over the place priority wise. They definitely are rewarding impact with Tetris at #2, but no original Super Mario Brothers on NES? I am not advocating SMB be on the list, I prefer Super Mario World represent the series, but why does the more advanced but less influential Mario bros game make it to the top 10 but we just keep the original basic ass Tetris? Maybe it is just me, I never like to see original Tetris in the top 10 on these kinds of lists. There are like 20 games that do that exact puzzle piece drop thing except better and faster and more beautifully and joyously (Tetris Effect, Puzzle Fighters, every Lumines game). I would rather they reward the culmination of the genre.
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Regginator
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They somehow managed to not include even one of my top 9 games, that in itself is quite an accomplishment, lol.
Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, Disco Elysium, Deus Ex, Mass Effect 1, Bloodborne, TOTK, Fallout New Vegas, and Dishonored.
Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, Disco Elysium, Deus Ex, Mass Effect 1, Bloodborne, TOTK, Fallout New Vegas, and Dishonored.
GinSama
Member
Also to this day there is a reason why M04 and 2k5 are the best football games of all time, personally I think 2k5 is above M04 ......
The foot planting, animations, game modes, the CPU used to change the way they would play against you depending the way you were playing, the presentation was amazing using sports center and tracking stats.
I mean they track all kinds of stats someone that was not very common that time.
Also pre mid and post preparation....again something that was not common at all back in the day.
All I'm saying that personally I would not put those games there, since is missing other amazing games......but the impact of those two games in the industry of sports games are something that nobody can deny. But someone that doesn't care, play or follow sports games yeah not surprised that is funny.
Also I would mind to put there MVP05 and Pro Yakyu Spirits 2014 or any of the Konami ip, that game is pure sim baseball game. The goat.
neocycle
Member
That's not a valid opinion.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Greatness is not always defined by what you do but when you do it. TOTK is better because it stood on the greatness of BOTW. Why is Ms. Pac Man on this list? Not because it’s a better video game than Elden Ring or Metroid Prime. To argue that would be foolish (not shitting on Ms PAC, I’m old and have an arcade machine in my basement). Street Fighter 2 is on this list even though fighting games have vastly improved since it came out but no fighting game has had the impact that game did.Imagine putting at the top of the list a game that became practically disposable after the release of its improved sequel.
And no Mario 64 in sight, lol
Nonsense. Mario Galaxy 2 didnt make Galaxy 1 useless. Majora Mask didnt make Ocarina of Time useless. Mass Effect 2 didnt make Mass Effect 1 useless.
Same for Gears 2 and 1, Halo 3 and 2, and so many other sequeles.
TOTK did just that with BOTW, tho. There's no reason for you to go back to the same map and worst everything in BOTW after having experienced TOTK.
It makes you miss Fuse all the time when your weapons break, or miss the Champions (now actually useful) powers for traversal or combat. Or those much better dungeons and bosses from TOTK. Or the Ascend skill to help climbing mountains and etc.
Fuse and Ascend were basically designers admiting how boring traversal was in BOTW and how broken the weapon mechanic was.
Making the sequel in the same map really made it obvious how worse BOTW was
Tom Brady isn’t the GOAT because he does everything better than every other QB, he’s not better than Aaron Rodgers at a number of physical football metrics but when it counts….that’s what defines greatness.
Jackson Pollock, Pablo Picasso or say Alexander Colder aren’t “great” because they are strange, it’s WHEN they came out with their strange ass paintings which made them great (this is a bit reductive and not representative of a how skilled they were as Artists but you get what I mean)
Hope this articulates my point better even if you disagree
Toots
Gold Member
Sonic 2 is the greatest sonic games, if only for the 2 players mode.Sonic 2 is a really odd pick. Is it considered the pinnacle of the 2D games or something? I always thought that belonged to Sonic CD.
I actually don't think the list is that painful, but it always saddens me when I see Chrono Trigger so low
You young fucks had no idea back in 1995...
Iced Arcade
Member
Honestly isn't as bad as I expected
Hugare
Member
I understood your point. I dont think you understood mine.
Masterpieces dont get old. You could play Mario 64 today and still have fun as much as people had when it launched. Same for Super Mario World, Ocarina of Time and etc.
Not the case with BOTW. It got old as soon as TOTK launched. TOTK was almost like a soft remake, taking everything from BOTW, even the same map, and improving upon it. Actually, they didnt just improved some stuff, they fixed them.
Breakable weapons sucked, so we introduced Fuse. Traversal was boring, so we introduced Ascend. If they had to be fixed, they were badly designed. And if 2 of the main mechanics in the game were badly designed, it has no right as being considered one of the greatest.
By your "what matters is when you do it" logic, Mario 64 should have been #1 for revolutionizing 3D platforming forever, and its not even on the list.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
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Grand Nagus
Fair point. I think that the innovation that is Breath of the Wild is more great than the improvement that is Tears of the Kingdom however, if I'm honest if Tears of the Kingdom was on this list at number1 and Breath of the Wild was not. I wouldn't have any objections either, I understand it from both ways. Depends on what your metric of great is and how much it weighs in an arbitrary list like these always are.
CLW
Member
Yes at that time 2K was putting out a better product and cut the price down which PISSED the nfl off and led to EA paying for exclusivity
jzbadblood
Neo Member
Tears of the Kingdom was the same. It felt like an empty meaningless experience. Less fulfilling than any Ubisoft open world that people shit on.
GymWolf
Member
It has a great physics system, that was enough to gave it 10\10, almost every other element was average or downright subpar unless it was your first open world game ever.
Nintendo\sony review bias are a thing unfortunately.
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Guerilla Munch
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sorry chuds, NBA 2K11 is one of the greatest games ever made and Ocarina of Time is NOT
SminkyPinky
Neo Member
No Bomb Jack so it's wrong.
