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[Myths]

What were you expecting? The cost of resources and engineering isn’t accurately represented by a linear equation. Individual aspects can and do increase exponentially… so optimization needs to be prioritized. Unless you really want to be charged far more under the model of diminishing returns.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

Waiting for the Witcher 4 release to upgrade my GPU, probably complete computer. Currently have a 4090 paired with a 13700k. That should be enough for a few more years of high end gaming.

 

[Ironman_Bad]

This almost feels karmic for some of those that criticized the ps5pro we all will benefit in a few years though

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

potentially going from a 2080 to a 5070TI. It should be a good upgrade.

 

[Fess]

I can change my mind but at this exact moment I’ll pass. At my area it’s a $2500+ purchase or a 16GB card. I don’t like those choices.

 

[SlimySnake]

You're not going to get 4090 perf with the 5080.

Based on the specs, it will be 10% more powerful than the 4080. Which is pretty shit for a GPU being release 2 years later at almost the same price.

Thats insane. Going to be passing on it then.

 

[flagdaddy]

ye i'm on board. going from 4080 FE to 5090 FE if the universe permits. i really only play single player games on my PC besides WoW and the occasional CoD / Halo so i'm fine with the fake frames.

i'm running a 4K 240hz OLED and it'll be nice to finally really drive the thing. also expecting to better multitask between my 3 monitors while gaming. currently if the 4080 is eating up 90% of the GPU on a game i can't keep video content playing and Parsec running on the 2nd and 3rd monitors.

5080 is really disappointing though. my friend is trying to build his first PC after using a shitty gaming laptop for years. trying to convince him to go with a 5070ti or used 4080 as i feel either of those will be the best bang for his buck.

 

[SpokkX]

Yes

I have a 4070 Super today and will get a 5080 (+ a whole new machine with latest x3d cpu). Will keep my old for the family since it really runs everything really well still

 

[Mister Wolf]

Not a scam. I'm skipping this generation. Next upgrade is moving over to AM5.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Waiting for benchmarks and hoping some fucking magic happens because it aint looking good. I have a 4070TI and no games to play on the horizon, but if by some miracle a 5080 with 24gb gets released and it has at least 50% performance raster and we get big games supporting FGx4 with the same artifacts and input as X2 then I might be in. Anything less is a scam.

 

[Senua]

Waiting for reviews. DLSS 4 might give some more life to me 3080 anywho!

 

[Dr.Morris79]

My 4070 RTX does the job

For now.

 

[analog_future]

I wasn't going to get a 5090 but now I will because of this dumbass thread

 

[Topher]

1600 - 2000 = 25% price increase for ~33% more performance
400 - 700 = 75% price increase for UP TO 45% more performance

$300 for 45% more performance
$400 for 33% more performance

 

[Big Al]

This almost feels karmic for some of those that criticized the ps5pro we all will benefit in a few years though

PC market exists so that the users get scammed with snake oil in order for the Sony players to receive a refined product that works.

 

[ReBurn]

I mean maybe


But I can't lie the RX 9070 xt is looking better

It's 4000 more than a 5070 so why not?

 

[Bojji]

$300 for 45% more performance
$400 for 33% more performance

Product X was 200$, it increased in price to 400$
Product Y was 600$, it increased in price to 900$

By your logic product X has less increase in price because it's only 200$ vs. 300$ for product Y! In reality product X got 100% price increase while product Y got 50% price increase.

 

[TintoConCasera]

$300 for 45% more performance
$400 for 33% more performance

In this case, the 45% is less than the other 33%.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I got a 4090 now and I was fine with my 980ti build until about 6 months ago. I'm good.

 

[Garibaldi]

I'll be looking to upgrade the 3090 at some point. Kinda hoping for a 24GB 5080ti or something to come out by autumn when I plan on the rebuild moving to the AM5 platform. Otherwise it will be the 5090

 

[Topher]

Product X was 200$, it increased in price to 400$
Product Y was 600$, it increased in price to 900$

By your logic product X has less increase in price because it's only 200$ vs. 300$ for product Y! In reality product X got 100% price increase while product Y got 50% price increase.

lol....that's not my logic at all. Simply showing there is more than one way to compare these two upgrades and not just price increase percentage.

 

[nkarafo]

I only have a 3060 12GB. I just hope for the prices of the 40 series to drop, so i can buy a 4070 for less than 500 euros.

That's my only option. Can't afford more for my entertainment and there isn't anything else that's a worthwhile upgrade over the 3060. And i'm never going to pay more than 500 euros for a 12GB card, even if i had the money.

If that doesn't happen i'll just stick with my 3060 for another year. I only game on a 1080p monitor and the card is already 12GB so it will hold for now.

 

[Mattdaddy]

I robbed an armored car and got a 4090 at launch, so I was probably gonna pass on this generation no matter what. My wallet still hurts lmao.

But I will definitely have a little less fomo if they end up being underwhelming.

Ill start planning my bank heist now for the 6090 though.

 

[Senua]

I got a 4090 now and I was fine with my 980ti build until about 6 months ago. I'm good.

980ti damn that was a beast back in the day

 

[phant0m]

Get used to it

exactly. it's not a scam it's the fucking future. sorry for all of you that voted "generated frames don't count" but you better buckle in, that's the future of 60+ fps standard

 

[Spukc]

Why deal with outdated shit like the 4090 or 4080 when you can join the mile high club?

 

[Topher]

In this case, the 45% is less than the other 33%.

And one case is less than half the price of the other. Plenty of ways to look at these things.

 

[phant0m]

I'm perfectly content with my 3080.

It's fucking wild that people say it's a 1080p or borderline 1440p card now. The new generation of PC gamers is prone to the most extreme hyperbole. Just fucking turn down a few settings and you don't need the flagship card of the latest gen to play new games.

"Back in my day" ultra settings actually meant something. Now there's barely any visible difference between medium and ultra except one requires you to buy a $2,000 GPU.

My 3080 FE has always been a 1440p card lol. 4K is a waste of framerate

 

[Bonfires Down]

So better performance and lower prices per tier. What’s the scam again?

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

980ti damn that was a beast back in the day

yea, and I went crazy at the time, bought two to do SLI . . . I ended up reselling one a few months later after realizing SLI is crap.

 

[Senua]

Waiting for benchmarks and hoping some fucking magic happens because it aint looking good. I have a 4070TI and no games to play on the horizon, but if by some miracle a 5080 with 24gb gets released and it has at least 50% performance raster and we get big games supporting FGx4 with the same artifacts and input as X2 then I might be in. Anything less is a scam.

There's your game!

 

[SNG32]

I have a 3070 and a PS5 I won’t upgrade my card until the PS6 and I willl continue playing games on my PS5 and 3070. Besides I play alot of fighting games, jrpgs and third person action games like dmc, stellar blade and bayonetta which my pc can handle very well at 1080 and 1440 which im happy with. Plus there’s lossless scaling and the fsr and dlss framegen mode to tie me over until the 6 series cards.

 

[Bojji]

lol....that's not my logic at all. Simply showing there is more than one way to compare these two upgrades and not just price increase percentage.

Pro is bad value. With PS4 Pro you had to pay 0% more for over 100% increase in GPU power.

You are focusing on dollar amount when base price of 4090 and PS5 is on completely different level and you have to pay WAY more (almost 2x) for PS5 Pro than for PS5 DE in comparison to 4090 vs. 5090.

Looking at lower end GPUs, you pay the same for ~20% power increase with 5080 vs. 4080S and LESS for ~20% power increase with 5070ti and 5070 (vs. 4070ti and 4070).

So how Pro is better value vs. those GPUs?

And one case is less than half the price of the other. Plenty of ways to look at these things.

PS5 is also like 4x less powerful than 4090, with Pro like 2.5x?

 

[GymWolf]

upgrading from 3080 means im getting 95-100% more performance.

i skipped the 4080 because it was only 45-50% more performance for a $1000.

If AMD had a cheaper GPU, and a 100% better GPU than the 3080 then i wouldve bought that.

It's the principle man, you pay 1000 dollars to have the same perf of a 2 years old card?

It's not like you plan to buy the cheap alternative, you are going for the second most powerfull gpu in the market.

I don't know man...at this point, why not going with the 5070? if you use framegen it's gonna have roughly the same perf of a 4090 for half the price.

 

[Senua]

yea, and I went crazy at the time, bought two to do SLI . . . I ended up reselling one a few months later after realizing SLI is crap.

You were stuttering before it was cool!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Having a 4090... I don't know.
So I would vote maybe/unsure but you didn't give the option.

 

[SlimySnake]

It's the principle man, you pay 1000 dollars to have the same perf of a 2 years old card?

It's not like you plan to buy the cheap alternative, you are going for the second most powerfull gpu in the market.

I don't know man...at this point, why not going with the 5070? if you use framegen it's gonna have roughly the same perf of a 4090 for half the price.

Actually, after watching the video and reading some of the replies, I am going to pass on this. The 5080 is only 15% faster without framegen and I despise framegen so fucking Jensen. Im out this bitch.

I will spend the $1000 on a trip to Amsterdam, and get more bang for my buck.

 

[GymWolf]

Actually, after watching the video and reading some of the replies, I am going to pass on this. The 5080 is only 15% faster without framegen and I despise framegen so fucking Jensen. Im out this bitch.

I will spend the $1000 on a trip to Amsterdam, and get more bang for my buck.

Dude if you go in august we can meet there so i can offer you a lunch (or a joint )

 

[Gaiff]

4090 here and I'll pass. I might upgrade to the 6090 if it gives me twice the performance of my 4090.

 

[TonberrysKnife]

I'll stick with my 4090. We'll see what happens with the 6000 series in the future. Considering I just rebuilt my PC a year ago, I don't feel like going through it again any time soon.

 

[SlimySnake]

This almost feels karmic for some of those that criticized the ps5pro we all will benefit in a few years though

Two wrongs dont make a right. PS5 Pro at $700/800 euros is a bad value. you are paying 2x more for 1.45x more performance.

It looks like people upgrading from the 4080 or 4090 will be paying $1000-2000 and getting only 1.2x more performance without framegen. Which is absolutely awful.

 

[sendit]

I have a 4090, I won't be buying 5090, I'm happy to have the second best card on the market and wait for 60xx series.

 

[Topher]

Pro is bad value. With PS4 Pro you had to pay 0% more for over 100% increase in GPU power.

You are focusing on dollar amount when base price of 4090 and PS5 is on completely different level and you have to pay WAY more (almost 2x) for PS5 Pro than for PS5 DE in comparison to 4090 vs. 5090.

Looking at lower end GPUs, you pay the same for ~20% power increase with 5080 vs. 4080S and LESS for ~20% power increase with 5070ti and 5070 (vs. 4070ti and 4070).

So how Pro is better value vs. those GPUs?

And you are focusing on price percentage increase as if that tells the whole story. It does not. Regardless, value is always subjective. For me, the PS5 Pro's value is in the fact that the upgrade is a hell of a lot more obvious. There is no mistaking the difference in the games I've played like Dragon's Dogma 2 and Space Marine 2 from PS5 to Pro. The improvements in image quality and frame rate are easily noticeable. That's where I see value. If I had a 4090 then there is no way in hell I'd upgrade to 5090 for gains I'd have to have benchmark tools to ever see. So, for me, there is no value there at all. Again......subjective.

No, I'm not paying "way more" for PS5>Pro in comparison to 4090>5090. I paid $300 more for Pro. 5090 is $400 more. Exactly the point I made initially.

 

[Tajaz2426]

Stay with my EVGA 3090ti and 14900k will do the job. I’ll make a decision on the 6000 series once we get numbers.

 

[Bojji]

And you are focusing on price percentage increase as if that tells the whole story. It does not. Regardless, value is always subjective. For me, the PS5 Pro's value is in the fact that the upgrade is a hell of a lot more obvious. There is no mistaking the difference in the games I've played like Dragon's Dogma 2 and Space Marine 2 from PS5 to Pro. The improvements in image quality and frame rate are easily noticeable. That's where I see value. If I had a 4090 then there is no way in hell I'd upgrade to 5090 for gains I'd have to have benchmark tools to ever see. So, for me, there is no value there at all. Again......subjective.

No, I'm not paying "way more" for PS5>Pro in comparison to 4090>5090. I paid $300 more for Pro. 5090 is $400 more. Exactly the point I made initially.

300 is 0.75% of PS5 value, 400 is 0.25% of 4090 value.

Percentages are KINDA important to show differences between products with completely different price and performance levels. What you are saying about Pro is also subjective, there are tons of people (on YT for example) that says that Pro is not worth it because they don't see differences that justify price increase.

 

[polybius80]

I have a 4070 and a 3060 they runs everything perfectly(linux mint and ubuntu) except for the trillix model for making 3d objects requires 16 GB of vram(my cards have 12 GB) apparently there are ways to cut down that requirement or if they release an option for CPU(I dont mind waiting) then I will stay with that, that is the only reason I am considering buying a 50 series card even if the extra vram helps to speed some big models in ollama

 

[llien]

It’s hardly a scam. Disappointing in some aspects, but scam it is not.

5070 = 4090 is a scam. Especially given that:

even 5080 will likely lose to 4090 and by quite a margin.

 

[MacReady13]

My 4070ti Super runs things fine for me. I didn't see a need to get a new card, and seeing the numbers on the new stuff just confirms that.

I have the exact same card. If I have to lower certain settings to get a better frame rate, I am happy to do that. I'll be waiting for the 6000 series of cards and see what they offer. This race for the next best thing is becoming ridiculous. The gains are so small yet the prices so high that it's actually getting embarrassing now.

 

[Topher]

300 is 0.75% of PS5 value, 400 is 0.25% of 4090 value.

Percentages are KINDA important to show differences between products with completely different price and performance levels. What you are saying about Pro is also subjective, there are tons of people (on YT for example) that says that Pro is not worth it because they don't see differences that justify price increase.

Difference in upgrade is still $300 vs $400. And I'd rather keep that $100 for a difference I can see rather than spend $100 for difference I can't see. So your equation of "value" doesn't work for me. Why should I give a shit what some folks on YT say? I have a Pro and I can decide for myself.

 

[MarV0]

I have nothing against anyone who gets a 5 series card but for my purposes, I'm sticking with my 4080 for a couple more years.

I do.

Anyone who is buying a 5 series card is a dumb little bitch.