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[Crayon]

AMD is going to bring 5070ti performance, and people going to turn their noses up when it's more than $500. Then cry about how there's no competition.

 

[Schnauzer]

Is this degradation or is it just some being shipped without all the ROPs? It looks like the later.

I'm down for hating the 5090 as much as the next guy; however, I hate misinformation.

 

[Bojji]

AMD is going to bring 5070ti performance, and people going to turn their noses up when it's more than $500. Then cry about how there's no competition.

Yeah, it's stupid. If I didn't have 4070TiS I would probably buy 9070XT if performance and price are decent.

 

[Senua]

AMD is going to bring 5070ti performance, and people going to turn their noses up when it's more than $500. Then cry about how there's no competition.

Nvidia's software is just too enticing. I'm sticking to my old arse 3080 thanks to DLSS4. This generation disappointed me more than my son.

 

[V1LÆM]

My 5090 has actually got faster already with drivers. The ROPs thing is shit but cmon it’s not degrading. The cards haven’t even been out a month yet. Even if you were Overclocking the shit out of it you won’t notice any degradation yet.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I think your headline is misleading. The ROP issue is know and unacceptable. Worse launch ever. But have some integrity and don't spread misinformation when it's missing ROP's on SOME GPU's which is the issue. Not degredation which implies things get worse. If that is true it's certainly unproven right now.

 

[EN250]

Wtf is this? Aren't they open to a lawsuit for selling this or am I to naive to think there is even chance? I'd be fucking mad if I know I paid top dollar for something that's degrading so fast out of the gate, unless these are over the top stress tests that are pushing the cards to burn just to cause controversy

 

[V1LÆM]

Wtf is this? Aren't they open to a lawsuit for selling this or am I to naive to think there is even chance? I'd be fucking mad if I know I paid top dollar for something that's degrading so fast out of the gate, unless these are over the top stress tests that are pushing the cards to burn just to cause controversy

The cards aren’t degrading. The ROPs thing is a manufacturing issue that has been fixed and refunds are being given to those affected. Ideally you’d get a replacement but stock levels aren’t there yet.

It’s like every other product with a manufacturing issue. No need for a lawsuit lol. NVIDIA and retailers are dealing with it.

The melting connectors is only on a handful of cards (and no there aren’t only 7 people out there with a 5090) and every one I’ve seen is because people are stupid and using adapters/extensions or even completely wrong cables. To be fair if you already have a 12VHPWR cable it SHOULD be able to be used when upgrading but it seems they “wear out” after so many insertions…like every other cable out there. Jayz2cents did a video where he done 100 insertions (apparently rated for 30-50) and actually found that amps across the wires improved or evened out the more it was used.

What wears out is the clip on the connector that holds it in place. Even if it’s worn out it’s not gonna just fall out but if you pull it too hard or bump it then it MIGHT not be seated properly. As long as you make sure it’s all the way in then it will be fine.

 

[dgrdsv]

It doesn't "degrade over time".
The ROPs are missing as a result of chip binning process as in the chips with missing ROPs were erroneously used for cards production when they shouldn't have been.

 

[EN250]

The cards aren’t degrading. The ROPs thing is a manufacturing issue that has been fixed and refunds are being given to those affected. Ideally you’d get a replacement but stock levels aren’t there yet.

It’s like every other product with a manufacturing issue. No need for a lawsuit lol. NVIDIA and retailers are dealing with it.

The melting connectors is only on a handful of cards (and no there aren’t only 7 people out there with a 5090) and every one I’ve seen is because people are stupid and using adapters/extensions or even completely wrong cables. To be fair if you already have a 12VHPWR cable it SHOULD be able to be used when upgrading but it seems they “wear out” after so many insertions…like every other cable out there. Jayz2cents did a video where he done 100 insertions (apparently rated for 30-50) and actually found that amps across the wires improved or evened out the more it was used.

What wears out is the clip on the connector that holds it in place. Even if it’s worn out it’s not gonna just fall out but if you pull it too hard or bump it then it MIGHT not be seated properly. As long as you make sure it’s all the way in then it will be fine.

So, it's clickbait controversy with the added problem of low stock that will solve itself as more of these things come out, non news then, thanks for the detailed answer man

 

[Ashamam]

Jayz2cents did a video where he done 100 insertions (apparently rated for 30-50) and actually found that amps across the wires improved or evened out the more it was used.

Likely wearing off micro peaks in the connector material increasing surface area contact. But at some point repeated operations will go the other way, with excessive wear reducing contact area, potential micro arcs damaging the connector and as was mentioned mechanical locks degrading or failing.

With a little history in industrial controls I see it as problematic putting such a low rated connector into the hands of the public. The only way to mitigate risk is to track usage and replace on a schedule and who is going to do that in a home PC. Obviously most users will just plug it in a few times and that's it, but a non trivial number of people might well be swapping cards out regularly with no thought about the cable limitations.

 

[newtypepilot]

it's not degradation. It's a manufacturing issue that Nvidia was well aware of beforehand but released these cards anyways.

Don't use the verge as a source. You can do better, Draugoth.

 

[kiphalfton]

AMD is going to bring 5070ti performance, and people going to turn their noses up when it's more than $500. Then cry about how there's no competition.

Is it really even competing if you have an inferior product, that costs <10% less than the better alternative.

 

[baphomet]

These cards are dog shit, but where is there anything showing degradation?

There's tons of reason to trash these cards, let's at least use the true ones.

 

[Buggy Loop]

It doesn't "degrade over time".
The ROPs are missing as a result of chip binning process as in the chips with missing ROPs were erroneously used for cards production when they shouldn't have been.

oi, I recognize that name and avatar! Welcome.. back?

Thread title is complete nonsense. Including that the "source" is The verge and the verge mentions nothing of that. OP has no interest to fix this shit.

 

[Imtjnotu]

AMD execs are in board meetings now trying to figure out how to fuck their card release up as we speak..

 

[nemiroff]

Where’s that dude?

Found him. Poor dude got scared and ran into the woods

 

[Rickyiez]

It doesn't "degrade over time".
The ROPs are missing as a result of chip binning process as in the chips with missing ROPs were erroneously used for cards production when they shouldn't have been.

Re-quoting this , what a dumb clickbait title . OP should be embarrassed for spreading lies

 

[poppabk]

Class action lawsuit incoming?

You agree to binding individual arbitration when you download the drivers.

 

[lmimmfn]

All this wonderful negative publicity for NVidia is so wonderful, maybe it might impact their sales and boost AMD

 

[Celcius]

Re-quoting this , what a dumb clickbait title . OP should be embarrassed for spreading lies

Yeah mods might want to lock thread as this isn't actually true

 

[Rickyiez]

Exactly , degrade implying the GPU are losing ROPs over time , which is definitely not the case here . FFS OP

 

[LavitzSlambert]

About that...

From the top comment:

 

[ResilientBanana]

This article isn't true and is made up bullshit.

From the top comment:

and AMD still can't provide better performance than even the cards with missing ROPS.