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[womp]

Affordable in that I just want to shove composite AV out into my Commodore 1702 monitor as I do with my NES toaster. I used to piggy back my Genesis and SNES with RF and don't recall the OG Genesis having AV out....

I don't need SCART and RGB etc. Heh

Unfortunately I am unable to locate my Genesis or Sega CD (front loader) so I would need an entirely new system. Were the Genesis 3's worthwhile?

 

[Peagles]

Affordable in that I just want to shove composite AV out into my Commodore 1702 monitor as I do with my NES toaster. I used to piggy back my Genesis and SNES with RF and don't recall the OG Genesis having AV out....

I don't need SCART and RGB etc. Heh

Oh hai, let me quote you on that...

*saves for future*

 

[IrishNinja]

PSIV never came in a clamshell so you must have a repro box, I'm afraid.

The 6-pak is such an awesome deal. The original Orange Box.

*goes back to looking for non-Sega Classics branded CIB copies of Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, and Revenge of Shinobi on eBay*

Forget if I posted this before, forgive me if I did...I'm 40 and my memory sucks. In the process of moving my gaming stuff that has been in my parents basement/attic for 20+ years as my wife and I get set to move into our new house. Here is a small batch of random Sega stuff I snagged...

i said goddamn
MUSHA, Robo Aleste, Rampage, a Nomad...that's like half my list right there, sexy box man!

Why is M.U.S.H.A. so expensive, anyway? I swear cart-only was only $50 a year ago.

for real? i was looking a year back and absolutely would've jumped at an original cart at that price.

 

[womp]

i said goddamn
MUSHA, Robo Aleste, Rampage, a Nomad...that's like half my list right there, sexy box man!



for real? i was looking a year back and absolutely would've jumped at an original cart at that price.

I was shocked when I saw its value about a year ago...which was why I held my breath that it was still in one piece in that basement. LOL

The eBay prices are pretty ridiculous to the point where I have no idea what it is worth. They seem to flux between $100-500. I paid $19.99 at Electronics Boutique in 91/92 myself.

That said, Robo Aleste is quite good, not MUSHA good but even then I knew they were related and that Tengen logo didn't fool me. Such a great series!

 

[kick51]

sorry to do this womp, your find is kind of okay, i guess, but i have to totally steal your thunder because today I finished my Razorsoft collection:

hey, 3 out of 5 of them are passable games! barely passable, but passable nonetheless

 

[IrishNinja]

^haha i don't think i've ever seen them lined up in the same place before. it's...well, glorious isn't the word, but it's something, alright!

 

[womp]

sorry to do this womp, your find is kind of okay, i guess, but i have to totally steal your thunder because today I finished my Razorsoft collection:

hey, 3 out of 5 of them are passable games! barely passable, but passable nonetheless

Well, mine have been in my collection for over 20 years so they aren't my 'find' but yeah, OK, yours are nice too.

Stormlord was the game with the naked fairies, right? LOL. I loved when the mags at the time did the side by side showing the differences in the censorship of the Genesis port.

 

[kick51]

First-- how did this happen and would it be easy to get a cheap import copy and play it on a Genesis 2?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MEGADRIVE-G...866?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdce35982

I guess I can settle with Zanac X Zanac being my main Compile rarity, but I'd love some copy of MUSHA.

re: Stormlord--
Yeah, that was the height of the infamy that Razorsoft tried so hard to get.

The game itself probably has the tightest controls out of all of them (with Slaughter Sport being the worst.) but it's one hit kills and the way the puzzle solving works allows you to soft lock the game with ease. The fairy is basically the first thing you see when you start the game and they're all over the place. When you jump on one there's a "whistling" sound like whistling at a hot girl, but all muffled and Genesis-like.

Death Duel also has a "soft lock" problem in that if you choose the wrong load out, you simply can't win a fight.

Slaughter Sport is prime Mystery Tournament material for UFGT. Against CPU it's basically unplayable...your attacks do nothing, CPU must do twice as much damage and is in god mode. There's probably a way to cheese it that I haven't found yet. Shaq Fu is brilliant compared to it. How the hell did Shaq-Fu being the "worst fighting game ever" meme even start when this thing exists?

Technocop might be the most "playable" from beginning to end.

I'll have to spend more time with Footbrawl.

They're all pretty ambitious games, actually. If they had better balance and controls, they'd be decent. They're just executed terribly.

^haha i don't think i've ever seen them lined up in the same place before. it's...well, glorious isn't the word, but it's something, alright!

my genesis collection is turning into a real freak show. i have like 3 good games

 

[IrishNinja]

^that's an MD copy of MUSHA, and south korea means it's quite possibly a boot as well. i used to have one - works fine, i think i needed a game genie to bypass but i didn't even use a code, if you mod the tabs or whatever in your system it may very well work without. and yeah, genuine or not it's a fantastic game!

 

[Gunstarheroes]

I liked Death Duel

 

[saveweyard]

Shining in the Darkness arrived in the mail today; my first JRPG on the Genesis!

Really enjoying the beautiful, sort of cartoony, art style. Everything in the game looks gorgeous, even by today's standards. I'm still in the early section of the game, just grinding to gain some levels. A little scared to wander deeper into this first dungeon but I'll take the plunge at some point. I also decided to make a map along the way, something I haven't done in years!

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Shining in the Darkness arrived in the mail today; my first JRPG on the Genesis!

Really enjoying the beautiful, sort of cartoony, art style. Everything in the game looks gorgeous, even by today's standards. I'm still in the early section of the game, just grinding to gain some levels. A little scared to wander deeper into this first dungeon but I'll take the plunge at some point. I also decided to make a map along the way, something I haven't done in years!

Haha, I did that a while ago, when I got the game on Steam. Drawing the map is kind of fun, probably the most fun part for me, but I have to be in the mood, so to speak. Unfortunately I had some crash and lost my save and had to start over and sort of abandoned my game... :\
It's a very primitive jRPG, but it still has some charm. Have fun!

 

[IrishNinja]

Shining Force (rightfully) gets talked up, but its classic dungeon crawling daddy too often gets left out. i think that style holds up well, even if i recall the encounter rate sometimes being mean (back when i beat it).

i love the central town, and how the shop can just randomly have amazing shit when you're broke, too. it totally will not be there when you come back with moneybags either.

 

[Krelian]

Finally got Phantasy Star IV! Still lots of good games missing from my collection (like Shining in the Darkness) but I will probably take a break from collecting for a while. Unless I find a really good offer

 

[stewy]

Shining Force (rightfully) gets talked up, but its classic dungeon crawling daddy too often gets left out. i think that style holds up well, even if i recall the encounter rate sometimes being mean (back when i beat it).

i love the central town, and how the shop can just randomly have amazing shit when you're broke, too. it totally will not be there when you come back with moneybags either.

Agreed. Shining in the Darkness is way too overlooked. I remember being totally addicted to that game back in the day. And it was gorgeous to boot.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Were the Genesis 3's worthwhile?

Absolutely not. It's a cost-cutting box released at the end of the gen to maximize margins. As a result it has mono audio only, no RGB video output, and no Sega CD support. I think you even need to mod it to allow 32X or Power Base Converter use.

 

[emb]

Absolutely not. It's a cost-cutting box released at the end of the gen to maximize margins. As a result it has mono audio only, no RGB video output, and no Sega CD support. I think you even need to mod it to allow 32X or Power Base Converter use.

Probably already covered in this topic several times over, but what's the best output you can get from an umodded Genesis? Do model 1s or 2s have composite output even? I've just been using whatever coax cords I already had with my Genesis, haven't really looked into it.

 

[ZealousD]

Probably already covered in this topic several times over, but what's the best output you can get from an umodded Genesis? Do model 1s or 2s have composite output even? I've just been using whatever coax cords I already had with my Genesis, haven't really looked into it.

The first two models support RGB with no mods.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Probably already covered in this topic several times over, but what's the best output you can get from an umodded Genesis? Do model 1s or 2s have composite output even? I've just been using whatever coax cords I already had with my Genesis, haven't really looked into it.

Model 1 and 2s output gorgeous RGB natively. They also do composite, but Genesis' composite video is absolute shit.

 

[saveweyard]

Model 1 and 2s output gorgeous RGB natively. They also do composite, but Genesis' composite video is absolute shit.

I can't wait until my scart cable comes in. Im tired of how blurry everything is on my monitor.

 

[emb]

Thanks, good to know. I'm generally not too big about getting perfect image quality, but the splotches, graniness, waves etc that I'm seeing on solid colors currently (from my Genny and NES) are kinda distracting and annoying. I forget by the time I'm into a game, but it's always jarring at first.

RGB sounds nice. What's the best way to get it to my TV then? I think my CRT has component and S-video connections. Can I get scart to either of those pretty cheaply?

I'd heard you guys talking about RGB stuff before, but I always just assumed it was a complicated and messy custom mod that I wouldn't have the patience for, lol.

 

[theSlacker]

Thanks, good to know. I'm generally not too big about getting perfect image quality, but the splotches, graniness, waves etc that I'm seeing on solid colors currently (from my Genny and NES) are kinda distracting and annoying. I forget by the time I'm into a game, but it's always jarring at first.

RGB sounds nice. What's the best way to get it to my TV then? I think my CRT has component and S-video connections. Can I get scart to either of those pretty cheaply?

I'd heard you guys talking about RGB stuff before, but I always just assumed it was a complicated and messy custom mod that I wouldn't have the patience for, lol.

If you live in the states it is a bit harder and more expensive. Even though systems like the SNES/Genesis/PS1 all support RGB right out the box on certain models getting a tv that accepts it is a bit harder here. You have to go for something like at Sony PVM or BVM, and only certain models, then there is the problem with their inputs being BNC instead of SCART, so you would need a SCART to BNC adapter on top of getting the RGB SCART cables for your system of choice. Another alternative is to go for one of those upscaler boxes, which cuts out the need for the special tv or adapter, but costs a few hundred dollars for the current popular one. Would still need the RGB scart cables for your system as well.

Honestly, this is a bit of a rabbit hole that you are looking into right now and you really have to decide what you dedication is to getting the best possible picture off of retro systems is.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Since the Genesis doesn't naturally output S-Video, you'll have to mod or get an RGB transcoder (and those old Micomsoft XMD converters aren't cheap!)

AFAIK the only MD/Gen hardware they does S-Video out of the box are the Wondermega and X'EYE. I'm not even sure if Laseractive does.

 

[emb]

If you live in the states it is a bit harder and more expensive. Even though systems like the SNES/Genesis/PS1 all support RGB right out the box on certain models getting a tv that accepts it is a bit harder here. You have to go for something like at Sony PVM or BVM, and only certain models, then there is the problem with their inputs being BNC instead of SCART, so you would need a SCART to BNC adapter on top of getting the RGB SCART cables for your system of choice. Another alternative is to go for one of those upscaler boxes, which cuts out the need for the special tv or adapter, but costs a few hundred dollars for the current popular one. Would still need the RGB scart cables for your system as well.

Honestly, this is a bit of a rabbit hole that you are looking into right now and you really have to decide what you dedication is to getting the best possible picture off of retro systems is.

Since the Genesis doesn't naturally output S-Video, you'll have to mod or get an RGB transcoder (and those old Micomsoft XMD converters aren't cheap!)

AFAIK the only MD/Gen hardware they does S-Video out of the box are the Wondermega and X'EYE. I'm not even sure if Laseractive does.

Ok, that's exactly what I was afraid of. Oh well. I guess if there's no cheap way to convert scart to a normal connection, I'll be sticking with composite.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Pretty sure the X'EYE doesn't do S-Video out of the box, though.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Pretty sure the X'EYE doesn't do S-Video out of the box, though.

You're right, my mistake. It's the original Wondermega model that does S-video (but no RGB, lol)

 

[womp]

Probably already covered in this topic several times over, but what's the best output you can get from an umodded Genesis? Do model 1s or 2s have composite output even? I've just been using whatever coax cords I already had with my Genesis, haven't really looked into it.

This is what I have been trying to figure out. I'm good with composite...

I guess I can just use my Nomad...but I couldn't recall which Genesis models had the connection.

 

[sixteen-bit]

This is what I have been trying to figure out. I'm good with composite...

I guess I can just use my Nomad...but I couldn't recall which Genesis models had the connection.

Use the Genesis model 2 AV cables on the Nomad for TV out.

 

[emb]

This is what I have been trying to figure out. I'm good with composite...

I guess I can just use my Nomad...but I couldn't recall which Genesis models had the connection.

Heh, didn't even notice that the discussion had already happened on this page. Yeah, I'm definitely with you there. And I should definitely look into getting a Nomad sometime, would be convenient to play on.

A little curious about this bit:

Affordable if your TV supports 240p over component? Get an RGB SCART cable and a powered RGB SCART->component converter. (Odds are good your TV doesn't, though.)

How would I know? Is the presence of a component connection on a CRT enough to assume it works? If it requires a powered cable, I'm still not sure it's something I'd want to bother with though. I have enough clutter as is.

 

[Mzo]

Ok, that's exactly what I was afraid of. Oh well. I guess if there's no cheap way to convert scart to a normal connection, I'll be sticking with composite.

Not sure why it wasn't mentioned, but CE Labs makes a $50 powered SCART to component video converter that is easily available on eBay or Amazon. I use it on my current CRT setup and it looks gorgeous.

Keep in mind that it doesn't upscale. Some modern displays don't support low resolutions anymore.

 

[kick51]

my RGB cables for Genesis (and PS1) along with my RGB to component converter should get here this week. about $90 total for all, hopefully it'll be fine as soon as I hook it up without too much more fucking around. then to actually stream it, i had to got a powered component splitter....i just have this feeling something won't play nice in the set up.

 

[Mzo]

This is what I have been trying to figure out. I'm good with composite...

No, you're really not. It's pretty miserable on a Genesis.

I would suggest paying someone to mod it for s-video or RGB to component. Anything to get away from that composite image.

 

[Shadow Hog]

How would I know? Is the presence of a component connection on a CRT enough to assume it works? If it requires a powered cable, I'm still not sure it's something I'd want to bother with though. I have enough clutter as is.

CRT? You're probably okay. I was talking more about HDTVs - they hate 240p over component.

IIRC, there's a way to test with a component cable-connected Wii and the Virtual Console.

 

[Teknoman]

I can vouch, RGB to Component is beautiful. Seriously. Stands out the most with Saturn and Genesis.

 

[emb]

I looked around some more... it seems like a viable option, but the converters I was able to find ran about 50 bucks. Plus the cost of the RGB SCART cable seems to be around 20. Just not worth it to me. Maybe it should be, since I could use the converter for other systems down the road. For now I just ordered some 5 dollar composite cables instead. I was hoping there was a better option, but at the end of the day improved IQ isn't worth enough to me to justify the expense here. Though anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm way off on the prices; if the whole thing could be done for 30ish, I'd give it a shot, but that seems like a pipe dream.

 

[kick51]

I looked around some more... it seems like a viable option, but the converters I were able to find ran about 50 bucks. Plus the cost of the RGB SCART cable seems to be around 20. Just not worth it to me. Maybe it should be, since I could use the converter for other systems down the road. For now I just ordered some 5 dollar composite cables instead. I was hoping there was a better option, but at the end of the day improved IQ isn't worth enough to me to justify the expense here. Though anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm way off on the prices; if the whole thing could be done for 30ish, I'd give it a shot, but that seems like a pipe dream.

nah, that's the best price you can get unless someone sells the converter used for cheap and if you camp out for a cheaper cable.

The U.S. guy selling the cables is pretty awesome. He caught that I ordered a Japanese RGB cable instead of PAL, which are apparently different and contacted me to correct the order.

 

[womp]

No, you're really not. It's pretty miserable on a Genesis.

I would suggest paying someone to mod it for s-video or RGB to component. Anything to get away from that composite image.

Nah, I'm good for now. I'm going to be running it on my 30 year old and still kicking Commodore 1702 monitor. I used to play Genesis over RF for years, I'll survive.

I'm sure it looks beautiful with RGB/component but given how I want to set this up, composite will suit me for the time being.

 

[koopas]

Not sure why it wasn't mentioned, but CE Labs makes a $50 powered SCART to component video converter that is easily available on eBay or Amazon. I use it on my current CRT setup and it looks gorgeous.

Keep in mind that it doesn't upscale. Some modern displays don't support low resolutions anymore.

Can you source this I can't find the one referenced. This converter do audio out as well correct?

 

[Mzo]

Can you source this I can't find the one referenced. This converter do audio out as well correct?

Search for "SCART RGB to YUV." F it, here's eBay and Amazon. Note that its powered and needs to be plugged in to work.

And haha no, it doesn't do audio. That would be way too easy and cheap. You need an audio breakout box that the same company conveniently sells. You can find the same item for a bit less on Amazon.co.uk if you're going to order something from there anyway, which you might if you read the next paragraph.

Not gonna lie, it's a pain in the ass.

You're also going to want a SCART switch if you're going to use multiple systems with it because plugging and unplugging things from the converter sucks since they're pretty cheaply made. I would recommend this model from Hama and don't forget a lead cable. The systems will plug right into the switch, up to three at a time, and you can rotate systems off the switch itself. The lead cable comes out of the switch and into the adapter, which you will never touch again. That poops out component cables and, along with the audio cables from the breakout box, that goes into your TV. Don't get just any SCART switch, a lot of them kind of suck.

It's a considerable mess.

 

[Tain]

and that mess right there is exactly why only my Genesis is RGB at the moment, lol.

Some day.

 

[Gunstarheroes]

So, i've really pushed myself to make better videos then the ones i did for Eternal Champions and the Arcade Classics for the 32x, but luckily, my new one is almost done, and i finally started using title cards for them.

Should hopefully be up in the next day or two, i really want the audio/visual quality to be the best it can be, given what i have to work with.

 

[IrishNinja]

^man, Panic!'s been on my list...link your review when it's done man!
also lemme know about my wanted manual list when you can

 

[Gunstarheroes]

^man, Panic!'s been on my list...link your review when it's done man!
also lemme know about my wanted manual list when you can

Sorry, i missed that message the first time, ill take a look today at work.

 

[kick51]

Search for "SCART RGB to YUV." F it, here's eBay and Amazon. Note that its powered and needs to be plugged in to work.

And haha no, it doesn't do audio. That would be way too easy and cheap. You need an audio breakout box that the same company conveniently sells. You can find the same item for a bit less on Amazon.co.uk if you're going to order something from there anyway, which you might if you read the next paragraph.

Not gonna lie, it's a pain in the ass.

You're also going to want a SCART switch if you're going to use multiple systems with it because plugging and unplugging things from the converter sucks since they're pretty cheaply made. I would recommend this model from Hama and don't forget a lead cable. The systems will plug right into the switch, up to three at a time, and you can rotate systems off the switch itself. The lead cable comes out of the switch and into the adapter, which you will never touch again. That poops out component cables and, along with the audio cables from the breakout box, that goes into your TV. Don't get just any SCART switch, a lot of them kind of suck.

It's a considerable mess.

boom, there's the catch I was worrying about lol

guess i won't be submitting to SDA or streaming with game audio

 

[koopas]

Thanks for posting that. I was suspicious of the audio out solution when I saw a few setups posted online. I might just use the headphone jack out (3.5 to rca) and only do the only the scart to component step you mentioned.

With all the board revisions and models and the convoluted mess to get some pristine video quality from the Genesis it makes being obsessive compulsive that much more difficult

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

go go gadget x-men knock off

 

[IrishNinja]

heh...i always saw Ex-Mutants about, was it any good?

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

its actually not bad its a pretty good action platformer id recommend looking into it its super cheap

 

[sixteen-bit]

a bit over the top for my tastes, but RCG made this MUSHA Aleste Nomad mod

 

[ResidentDante]

How is the d-pad on the Nomad? I've only actually held one that wasn't powered at a gaming convention.