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So, Intergalactic actress has personally responded to the controversy...
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sainraja
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That's fine. I wasn't questioning the advantage of using technology for facial expression capture. The conversation being had is around making original characters. They can still use real actors to capture expression and all that (which they did with Uncharted, which is why I mentioned it). Why can't the characters be original in design? They don't need to look like the actor doing the voice.
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They could try and rig a completely different face but why? Why go through the trouble of translating somebody elses performance onto somebody elses face that looks nothing like them?
Why not just have the actor who did that performance? Then you can even easily see 1:1 if your model didn't capture/convey the performance well enough with reference material.
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TheGodfather07
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I think people who don't like the main character would have still given the actual game a chance depending on its gameplay reveal, but now? Probably not. Doing shit like this will hurt the game. I think either ND or Sony need to have a word with her.
DenimDevil
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If the game is good it will sell, not matter how woke it is. The thing is signs of woke/DEI are generally an omen that fun isn't the primary concern for the devs.
sainraja
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To design an original character? like Nathan Drake, Joel and Ellie? That is the whole point.
Why do anything? Why make a game then — if they don't go through the trouble of making a game, they wouldn't need bother with anything else lol. If you don't care, that's fine, no problem. The whole point of the conversation you joined is, why can't they make original characters? like every game dev has done for so many years?
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A real person is an 'original character' too. There are so many actors out there. The conversation I joined mentioned it being easier/cheaper to make "original characters" when it's not and mentioned there being no benefit to using actors, you don't get good acting/capture if you don't. Games have started using real actors. That's why Lady in DMC no longer looks like lady in past DMC. For so many years facial animation capture wasn't really important they were stiff and motionless and not expressive. The use of actors came in with the technology advancements.
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Lunarorbit
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You completely missed the point of what I was saying. She has big tits, great body, was a sex symbol, and had a shaved head.
Confused boner
sainraja
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You quoted my post where I was agreeing with the point of devs making original characters. Not sure how you got "easier/cheaper" out of that. I just think in a medium where they can design a character however they like, which is what I was agreeing with, they should do it vs just modeling the character after an actor. There is room for doing both, yes... but lately it seems to be "trendy" to hire an actor and model the character after them.
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Went back to re-check and the person I was agreeing with mentioned it being cheaper over hiring an actor and paying them more or whatever. I guess, that might be true; I was simply agreeing with the want of original characters. If it is easier, then that is a bonus and if it is not easier, then devs should put in the work to give us original characters.
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Garnox
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Not quite understanding all the raucous around this. As someone who liked Jack from Mass Effect, is this person so much different?
Or where Jack felt authentic and implemented organically, does this new character feel like a shoehorn?
Haven't seen any of the game, just hear the noise around it and this IG post won't do any favors for the game. Not a big fan of bad publicity is still publicity.
Or where Jack felt authentic and implemented organically, does this new character feel like a shoehorn?
Haven't seen any of the game, just hear the noise around it and this IG post won't do any favors for the game. Not a big fan of bad publicity is still publicity.
Lambogenie
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Missed this thread.
She has "a right" but honestly, she could do much better. Just tell people not everything is made for every one and there's plenty to look forward to. Be open minded. But her approach is just as bad as the nerds. Makes the boss babe with attitude claims very valid (and it'd valid to not like people).
Just wish celebs would STFU. Very rarely do we want to hear from you, unless you're Brad Pitt or Robert Downey. If you're basically a nobody in comparison or a shit actor/no redeeming quality like Rachel Zegler and this Tati then just STFU and conduct yourselves better to still get the same points across vs further antagonising potential buyers.
She has "a right" but honestly, she could do much better. Just tell people not everything is made for every one and there's plenty to look forward to. Be open minded. But her approach is just as bad as the nerds. Makes the boss babe with attitude claims very valid (and it'd valid to not like people).
Just wish celebs would STFU. Very rarely do we want to hear from you, unless you're Brad Pitt or Robert Downey. If you're basically a nobody in comparison or a shit actor/no redeeming quality like Rachel Zegler and this Tati then just STFU and conduct yourselves better to still get the same points across vs further antagonising potential buyers.
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Fabieter
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So she didnt look like a man unlike the mc of ND next game.
It also means the culture isn’t merit based so skill and talent are not priorities when hiring people.
TheGodfather07
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Yeah it'll still sell well if it's a high quality game, but the potential ceiling is lower for sure. The last of us 2 is a good example. Yeah I know it still sold well but we all know it would have sold a hell of a lot more without all the controversy. Things are worse now compared to back then aswell. Just go to any social media about the game and it's a mess. The game is a laughing stock.
Im actually shocked why they keep doing this knowing it brings negativity? It's like they don't care anymore about their reputation or even maximising sales and profits, like any normal business does. Now it's more important to push an agenda. It just doesn't feel organic at all. It feels forced.
but she is not ugly and fans like her this is dei to me geralt can not be in every game and i am critical when it comes to this dei bs.
Action Jackson
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That might very well be the case. I recently watched a video by professor who specializes in game theory discussing the marketing debacle with Jaguar that made the news which very well could be applicable for ND also.
He theorized that different stakeholders might employ a strategem called "self-harm" that seem illogical from a buisness viewpoint but might totally make sense to them as they do not view buying customers as their audience but rather their peers, other managerial elites etc.
In case of Jaguar he argued that this self-harm strategy could come from the managment as well as the owners of Jaguar (Tata Group), but taking this approach and looking at ND it could be Druckmann using this new game to try to send a message and signalling to his peers of newly found Hollywood buddies of what he and ND perceive as necessary, just and the right thing to do.
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rofif
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I think it’s a reason behind the character.
Kotaro
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No true The Witcher fans would want Ciri to be the main character. Every one knows The Witcher is Geralt.
Changing the main character of an established franchise to be a woman is the very trademark move of Western feminism = DEI
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Friends, today is Christmas. ..
Let's not talk about ugly things, like intergalatic.
Let's not talk about ugly things, like intergalatic.
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Kotaro
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Friends, today is Christmas. ..
Let's not talk about ugly things, like intergalatic.
true. true. Merry Christmas
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Cakeboxer
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Your are right, Merry Christmas!Friends, today is Christmas. ..
Let's not talk about ugly things, like intergalatic.
Boss Mog
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Very true. Instead of this ugliness, Christmas should be celebrated with Korean girls, complete with hair, feminine charm and bodies that "don't exist in real life":Friends, today is Christmas. ..
Let's not talk about ugly things, like intergalatic.
Merry Xmas GAF!
PeteBull
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If only those were bald and muscular, we could apretiate true feminine beauty like western devs do nowadays...
Majima Everywhere System
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I wish for her this could all be down to culture war stuff, but the reality is that less people want to spend time in a story with her.
Kiryu’s Yakuza games are top tier, but Ichiban just isn’t it. He is fine, likeable, but he ranks below. They do some great stuff in the games, I just will never like him as much. The same will be true of Geralt and Siri. Joel and the LoU2 kids crew.
The problem is these changes are worse, because the characters are worse. People noticed. They kept an open mind, but they just know how it plays out. Bad characters, bad stories that prop them up, watch the proceedings, another waste of everyone’s time. We have lost a decade of entertainment to creators trying to make __________ happen.
Kiryu’s Yakuza games are top tier, but Ichiban just isn’t it. He is fine, likeable, but he ranks below. They do some great stuff in the games, I just will never like him as much. The same will be true of Geralt and Siri. Joel and the LoU2 kids crew.
The problem is these changes are worse, because the characters are worse. People noticed. They kept an open mind, but they just know how it plays out. Bad characters, bad stories that prop them up, watch the proceedings, another waste of everyone’s time. We have lost a decade of entertainment to creators trying to make __________ happen.
FoxMcChief
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We need an updated Zoolander driving gif with all the ugly chicks in the vehicle
Oblivion78
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IDK, If that triggers you, you probably wouldn't survive a COD lobby back in the day.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Frey is not woke though. Sbi did not work on that game.
It's ff XV class writing. Nothing woke about her.
In fact, she is quite hot and very closely modeled after her model.
I mean... she is not stellar blade but she is fine
StreetsofBeige
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Should be gone.
People said she uploaded it as a Instagram Stories post, which is supposed to auto-delete in 24 hours. I dont have Instagram, but if this is how it works it should be long gone already.
Goalus
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Iirc it was Black Girl Gamers in this case, wasn't it?Frey is not woke though. Sbi did not work on that game.
It's ff XV class writing. Nothing woke about her.
In fact, she is quite hot and very closely modeled after her model.
I mean... she is not stellar blade but she is fine
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