Drilbit777
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Wow I had no idea ms bellum was removed from the series, it was already shitty enough they replaced the original cast but now this? Man Cartoon Network is really making some dumb choices with PPG and Teen Titans.
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So that new PPG show is really, REALLY bad.
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Oh my god. Reviewing a calculator was the best part of that episode.
Hatty
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Aren't people talking about the unicorn episode when they mention the show having weird messages?
A great example is Gumball. Gumball does internet-era comedy in a way that still works on its own. Trendy vernacular is used sparingly and believably (though it can still be jarring hearing terms like "baller"). It also references specific internet phenomenons and viral videos instead of drinking from the meme fountain. See here:
There's an entire episode, The Uploads, that nailsi "YouTube culture" in its entirety. I recommend checking it out if you want to see "internet humor" done well, even though I don't think it's that great of an episode in its own right.
Yeah. I don't think I've ever watched a full episode but what I have seen in clips was really well done.
That mojo and me gusta shit up there, though? no.
Mojo Jojo had nothing to do with what I was referring to, this was about the episode involving unicorns which had a very obvious theme of identity and how horribly it botched the message.
The "getting to that weird part of the internet again" moment is what sealed it for me. Everyone who's ever spent their evening on YouTube has experienced that moment before.
Beats me, haven't seen that episode yet. But I do see people complaining about Mojo a lot. And I won't take said peoples' word for it (as well as people who don't even like the show as a whole and will look for any reason to hate on it) until I see.
*edit: This is especially so after how people reacted when Steven Universe had Uncle Grandpa pretend to be Steven's mom.
MisterGrey3000
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It really does do a great job of nailing the experience of getting lost in YouTube's "recommended" sidebar thing.
That sounds like a much more clever way to incorporate internet culture in a cartoon than what PPG and sometimes TTG do. Dont know if I'd ever watch Gumball but now I dont fear as much for the sanity of my little cousin's obsessed with CN. I'd assumed Steven U was the only good show running currently but every time I hear about Gumbal it's usually highly regarded.
Oh yes, that was with their counsellor doing the weird meditation thing right? That was excellent.
Gumball is very good.
The good shows on CN right now are Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Gumball, and We Bare Bears.
I don't really like anything else that's airing on the channel at all.
BeatnikGunsoo
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Gumball is the best! the first season is kind of rough but hang in there
My favorite thing about gumball is that they had a in-show reason of why gumball and darwin voices were being changed
They gave the former voice actors an awesome send off with a song and everything
such a great show
MisterGrey3000
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In terms of both transphobia and transmisogyny, I've only seen people call out the unicorn episode and the joke involving the little girl who looked like a big hairy man (in the roller derby episode) as being problematic.
Afaik, nothing else has been criticized as such; including Mojo's forced feminization at the hands of little girls.
But that show is 1/3rd memes.
In terms of both transphobia and transmisogyny, I've only seen people call out the unicorn episode and the joke involving the little girl who looked like a big hairy man as being problematic.
Afaik, nothing else has been criticized as such; including Mojo's forced feminization at the hands of little girls.
That ain't my experience on the twitterscape, but eh.
I'd argue season 2 is also kind of rough, in that it's not very funny.
Seasons 3 and 4 are early Spongebob-tier, though.
(Also, we need a Gumball OT.)
I fell off both Regular show and Adventure time. Maybe I just got to jaded to enjoy regular show anymore but it got pretty old for me. I feel like it should have ended a while ago (from when I last saw an episode). And Adventure time got caught up in it's weird lore and I got confused and kind of bored. I guess they're still quality shows, my gripes are more personal than anything else.
Memes and general internet things are not the same thing, but even if you think they are the same thing, WBB actually has good writing and jokes. There's also the fact that it looks good.
I can't say those things about Nu-PPG.
It's great that you like it but it's just shit to me right now. Maybe it'll get better? Doubtful tho.
I fell off Regular Show for awhile too because of the relationship bullshit but it's been toned down significantly and I really enjoy the show again. And I like lore in my shows so I've always liked AT, but I understand if it turned you off.
Cool, thanks. Time to jump back in.
Doctor Ironic
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The idea that memes are inherently bad because they "date" the show isn't really striking to the heart of the problem and as a matter of fact manages to, somehow, overcomplicate what memes are. The Gumball example posted above works as an obvious HowToBasic reference but HowToBasic is pretty current, not to mention the scene is very well recreated.
The truth is that memes are just cultural references to massive in-jokes, and making a reference to HowToBasic is a little more relevant than No Me Gusta. Making a cartoon with a "Can Haz Cheezburger" reference in it would be like making a 9/11 tribute episode in 2013.
The truth is that memes are just cultural references to massive in-jokes, and making a reference to HowToBasic is a little more relevant than No Me Gusta. Making a cartoon with a "Can Haz Cheezburger" reference in it would be like making a 9/11 tribute episode in 2013.
I agree and disagree. While I havent watched that Gumball episode other users are talking about, using the example you're talking about with the howtobasic reference I'll start there. I find this type of a reference more clever/appealing than shamelessly spouting well known memes because those howtobasic videos are sort of apart of a genre of youtube video. Things like that are recreated all the time to the point where kids will have never heard of htb but know the type of video. I'm told the episodes includes a lot of broad references like that which doesn't come across as pandering/shameless to me (mostly because the episode is actually centered around internet culture I'm told).
While I do agree that using the "meme's date the show" is somewhat flimsy as an argument for why their inclusion is bad. To me it comes down to how well it comes across. From the clips of PPG I've seen thus far (from different eps no less) the memes come off as buzzwords thrown on to the show in place of actual jokes, which makes it less enjoyable in my eyes. Hell the memes they're using were old 3 years ago too which is even more baffling.
Pantaghana
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Never was a big fan of the original, but I thought that it was okay and had its moments .
But this is just... bad.
Copy-pasting memes is lazy and comes off as making references for the sake of making references.
Not only that but saw comments that they removed a decent amount of the action and people that got beat up no longer look like they've gone through a meat grinder? What a shame.
But this is just... bad.
Copy-pasting memes is lazy and comes off as making references for the sake of making references.
Not only that but saw comments that they removed a decent amount of the action and people that got beat up no longer look like they've gone through a meat grinder? What a shame.
sans_pants
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I'm a storyboard artist, also Canada.
Currently doing some stuff for 9Story.
I think the best shows on CN are board driven, maybe something like that would have helped here as well. But thats of course something a board artist would say
My buddy and I wrote a script for regular show before we found out they only use boards
WBB isn't just general internet things, Nom Nom is a regularly appearing villain and his whole sctick is cute vids and memes. Grizz often consumes and does memes. Panda does memes as well. The show is meme city. Meme memes.
I disagree.
meme denial! meme denial!!
I'll watch it just for you, then
Exterminieren
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I think the Gumball example works because it's funny and effective even if you haven't watched a HowToBasic video- the visuals are funny in the same way that the originals are. You're not baffled if you don't know the source of the reference, and it's a neat little nod if you do.
Bubbles's meme face, on the other hand, is ONLY a joke if you know the original meme- if you don't, I can only imagine it's baffling. That's the difference between using a reference to bolster your own humour and using it as a crutch to disguise your own lack of humour.
This can't be real. I think it's a conspiracy by some bitter old people trying to ruin the childhoods of today's young adults.
The sad thing is that the new style looks incredibly cheap - which is weird because PPG was inherently a cheap show. If anything - making it look like it did should be far easier now with digital animation.
The style of McCracken stuff is still out there and still being made - Wander over Yonder and Lauran Faust's My Little Pony to name just a few.
New PPG looks like those Kennedy Cartoons episodes of Tiny Toons - just weird and off.
Also, miss her already.
The style of McCracken stuff is still out there and still being made - Wander over Yonder and Lauran Faust's My Little Pony to name just a few.
New PPG looks like those Kennedy Cartoons episodes of Tiny Toons - just weird and off.
Also, miss her already.
The post above me was talking about the cheapness of the animation itself and I was expending upon that by saying that I honestly would have liked if they'd stayed with the original plan because the special was a lot higher quality. I mean, before it became a "special" that WAS the teaser for the 2016 reboot. D:PSY・S;201186036 said:
Emperor_Uriel
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Here's something else: Why are so many of the new cartoons being rated PG when they have no cursing, blood, or other potentially objectionable content?
Growing up, The Simpsons was your typical PG show, with mild cursing, blood and nudity. Now shows like TTG, Over the Garden Wall, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, etc get that rating without featuring anything risque.
I ask because Dance-Pantsed was rated PG, somehow.
Growing up, The Simpsons was your typical PG show, with mild cursing, blood and nudity. Now shows like TTG, Over the Garden Wall, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe, etc get that rating without featuring anything risque.
I ask because Dance-Pantsed was rated PG, somehow.
Maybe it's because kids will asked what being pantsed is? lol
Ratings have gotten more strict in the past 20 years; same for movie ratings.
I haven't had a chance to see a full episode of this show yet but I can't say a lot of what I've been hearing or the clips I've been seeing (even before I entered this thread) are........encouraging
Gross
Wait WUT? I think I've gleamed what went wrong from osmosis per this thread but that seems like a shocking drop of the ball
Remove the most intelligent, competent character in the show because you aren't a fan of her position (which you can change as writers) or her sex appeal (which was no worse than like an Animaniacs Nurse character and in line with the standards set by most cartoons)? Sure that makes total sense *roll eyes*
My eyes bleed
Yeah I saw that posted in the Toonami thread a while back. I mean I guess in the grand scheme of things its "harmless" but boy is it one of those things that makes me feel old. Who finds this appealing in this context?
It's gotta be awkward coming into a bash thread on a project you've worked on. I won't lie and say what I'm seeing/hearing isn't disappointing but I'm sure all you guys are giving it your best and there is always room for improvement. Good luck!
Gross
Wait WUT? I think I've gleamed what went wrong from osmosis per this thread but that seems like a shocking drop of the ball
Instead of doing the smart thing and giving her a better position
LOL let's just remove her
Remove the most intelligent, competent character in the show because you aren't a fan of her position (which you can change as writers) or her sex appeal (which was no worse than like an Animaniacs Nurse character and in line with the standards set by most cartoons)? Sure that makes total sense *roll eyes*
My eyes bleed
Yeah I saw that posted in the Toonami thread a while back. I mean I guess in the grand scheme of things its "harmless" but boy is it one of those things that makes me feel old. Who finds this appealing in this context?
It's gotta be awkward coming into a bash thread on a project you've worked on. I won't lie and say what I'm seeing/hearing isn't disappointing but I'm sure all you guys are giving it your best and there is always room for improvement. Good luck!
Emperor_Uriel
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But why? Control-freak parents not wanting their kids to be exposed to anything they haven't deemed 100% sanitary?
As an educator, trends like this are the exact opposite of what should be happening. It's scary how many adults think that withholding information from their kids is a better way of preparing them for the future than educating them about concepts they'll have to confront at some point.
zer0blivion
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I had no idea what PPG could be. After reading the OP and seeing Bubbles mentioned, my first though was Trailer Park Boys? Then the thought of Bubbles from the Trailer Park Boys twerking made me laugh way too hard.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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For anyone wondering, the break used in the original PPG intro is called the Amen break, from a song called Amen, Brother from The Winstons.
The break itself was and still is a major deal, and was fundamental in much of late-80s hiphop, 90s breakbeat, jungle, and early Drum and Bass music, and is still used today in a lot of other electronic music genres such as drumfunk by artists like Paradox, Double O, Amit, and more. There was also a time in the late '90s where pretty much every other Jeep commercial sampled the break it seems like.
Just a little history for anyone curious
Because American parents are getting lazier and want content creators to raise their children for them.
Had to look this up immediately, this is fucking hilarious. I really disliked Teen Titans Go as a salty Young Justice fan at first, but watching it with my niece made me appreciate it. When they made fun of Young Justice, and had all the characters acting super serious, I just found that so fucking hilarious. Couldn't hate on the show anymore, shit is funny.
Well now this is just incorrect on all levels. It's been a well proven fact that film ratings have been steadily creeping downward for all things except sex.
The show is still taling the piss out of salty TT/YG fans. The April Fools episode's ending was legit 👌
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