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So that new PPG show is really, REALLY bad.

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mreddie

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A great example is Gumball. Gumball does internet-era comedy in a way that still works on its own. Trendy vernacular is used sparingly and believably (though it can still be jarring hearing terms like "baller"). It also references specific internet phenomenons and viral videos instead of drinking from the meme fountain. See here:

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There's an entire episode, The Uploads, that nails "YouTube culture" in its entirety. I recommend checking it out if you want to see "internet humor" done well, even though I don't think it's that great of an episode in its own right.

Gumball I always saw as the kid version of Regular Show but with varied animation, they use everything and it stands out.
 

Sou Da

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Gumball I always saw as the kid version of Regular Show but with varied animation, they use everything and it stands out.

No, Gumball's actually funny. In fact I'd argue it's the only funny show on CN.

The animation variety is well done though, it never really comes off as gimmicky to me.
 
No, Gumball's actually funny. In fact I'd argue it's the only funny show on CN.
This one gets it. Besides Gumball is way more eccentric than Regular Show or any of CN's other programs. It's actually closer to some of Nick's mid-90s stuff in terms of tone, but with a bit more substance.
 

mreddie

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No, Gumball's actually funny. In fact I'd argue it's the only funny show on CN.

RS fell off to me, Steven is the only CN show I stick with though I heard good things about We Bare Bears.

Gumball I watch here and there but still a good show though and though, I don't think there's no unlikable characters on Gumball.

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Ragnarok

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It's really not that bad. I think it'll find its way.

Teen Titans Go is one of my favorite shows though. The hate that it gets is annoying although expected. It's really really well done, however. They poke fun at the fact that the nerds hate them all the time too, it's great.

Seriously what an amazing show.
 

Sou Da

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This one gets it. Besides Gumball is way more eccentric than Regular Show or any of CN's other programs. It's actually closer to some of Nick's mid-90s stuff in terms of tone, but with a bit more substance.

Technically not more than Uncle Grandpa I guess. But you're spot on.

I still find it pretty funny that Gumball had their main character get and keep a girlfriend to this day and not let it ruin several episodes of the show like RS did. Mostly because they understood they had to keep those episodes comedic.
 

Sou Da

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RS fell off to me, Steven is the only CN show I stick with though I heard good things about We Bare Bears.

Gumball I watch here and there but still a good show though and though, I don't think there's no unlikable characters on Gumball.

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I picked RS back up because the stuff they're doing with Rigby going back to school is surprisingly well written and relatable.

It's really not that bad. I think it'll find its way.

Teen Titans Go is one of my favorite shows though. The hate that it gets is annoying although expected. It's really really well done, however. They poke fun at the fact that the nerds hate them all the time too, it's great.

Seriously what an amazing show.
They're off all the time though, it's just not a funny show. It's annoying as hell because it's 70% of that channel's scheduling and it never takes any breaks because it's easy to produce.

It's pretty much made babysitting even worse for me.
 

mreddie

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I picked RS back up because the stuff they're doing with Rigby going back to school is surprisingly well written and relatable.

I think the whole Mortdicai/CJ/Margaret love triangle pissed me off because Mort was still not over him and Margaret, so he and CJ take time off only for him and Margaret to stay friends.

That just pissed me off.

I do like how Rigby/Elieen are still together and they somehow kept it a secret.
 

K' Dash

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The show is fine, they'll maybe have a rough first season or 2 and then they'll find their own path. I think the girls are cute and honestly, CN has aired much worse cartoons.

I'll wait and see.

I think the whole Mortdicai/CJ/Margaret love triangle pissed me off because Mort was still not over him and Margaret, so he and CJ take time off only for him and Margaret to stay friends.

That just pissed me off.

I do like how Rigby/Elieen are still together and they somehow kept it a secret.

Agree with the love triangle, it was overdone.

Everyone knows about Rigby and Eileen by now.

Regular Show has lost some of the magic of the early seasons, still very watchable I just love Mordo and Rigby, but I would like them to focus on the supernatural and adventurous part of the show.

New characters would help a lot, I miss Thomas :/
 

Misha

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Beats me, haven't seen that episode yet. But I do see people complaining about Mojo a lot. And I won't take said peoples' word for it (as well as people who don't even like the show as a whole and will look for any reason to hate on it) until I see.

*edit: This is especially so after how people reacted when Steven Universe had Uncle Grandpa pretend to be Steven's mom.
I just watched the episode after seeing the clip in this thread and its not great.

They have the professor give him this massive stack of papers showing the side effects and consequences of the transmogrifying ray they were using to turn him into a unicorn and he just ignored all that and asked to get the ray anyway

It gave him bunny ears instead and slowly transformed him more and he ran out yelling "I hate science"

He then transformed into a monster and started terrorizing the town while everyone called him a freak

When he transformed back he admitted that he didn't think it through and he completely gives up on his idea of being a unicorn and decides he's a horse

All of those make it sound like trans people dont put the time to think about their transition or possibly hrt or surgery which is pretty not good on its own but then....

At the end you find out that his mom was a unicorn so he was born with a horn in the first place and just had it hidden by hair which sorta gives the opposite message than something transpositive should give for. at the very best, completely invalidates anything else good. In the context of transgender it gives the impression that you already have to have the parts associated with that gender to be that gender . Yeah...

I'm not sure if they had some other agenda (anti-srs and maybe even anti-hrt) but they at least weren't versed enough in the issue to tackle it positively. Its incredibly easy to do a "its who you are on the inside" episode but somehow they butchered it

Also the animation actually didn't bother me at all surprisingly. Background characters looked like they were from some other show but besides that it looked pretty good
 

Platy

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Sometimes I don't think people who are outraged at Mojo Jojo in a dress actually saw the scene and instead just saw a screenshot and have become enraged.

Mojo was both dressed up by the girls (he enjoyed the result of his makeover by the way) and also a parody of the baby found in the closet in the Hangover. You can make it out to be some transphobic "haha he's in the closet" joke, but that's turning it into something it wasn't. IIRC no one in the show made it out like Mojo in a dress was even a joke. The 90s show would have though.

Chances is that the person is talking about the "unicorn in the body of a poney" episode that showed that trans people are monsters... Or the small part with Him that is basically "lol gender confussion"
 

Lijik

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The old intro song was way better IMO. Immediately recognizable breakbeat superhero music >>> this Tony hawk generic pop-punk
the old show had a rendition of the theme done by the punk band Bis that i think would play over the credits. The new intro is pulling from that

WBB isn't just general internet things, Nom Nom is a regularly appearing villain and his whole sctick is cute vids and memes. Grizz often consumes and does memes. Panda does memes as well. The show is meme city. Meme memes.
the difference I think WBB is more current with what they pull and uses the internet/culture stuff as a regular part of the world or to further the plot so it feels natural. Panda being on social media or drawing bad anime might eventually date the show, but it feels natural to the world they set up. Referencing five year old memes like the memefaces and just leaving it as a punchline feels cheap and offputting.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

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I just want a Blu-Ray release of The Powderpuff Girls movie, that'd be nice.

Fuck, I'd settle for a widescreen DVD release at this point.

It's a damn shame the film underperformed so much. I saw it twice in theaters before it stopped showing, absolutely brilliant stuff especially when you learn how tight of a budget they were restricted to. (According to the audio commentary on the DVD)
 

dity

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the difference I think WBB is more current with what they pull and uses the internet/culture stuff as a regular part of the world or to further the plot so it feels natural. Panda being on social media or drawing bad anime might eventually date the show, but it feels natural to the world they set up. Referencing five year old memes like the memefaces and just leaving it as a punchline feels cheap and offputting.

Really? Because WBB makes a point to on and off reference pretty old animal meme stuff. Heck, consider that Panda's thing for a whole episode was the "cute panda sneeze" from some time forever ago... *googles* 2006.
 

mreddie

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Agree with the love triangle, it was overdone.

Everyone knows about Rigby and Eileen by now.

Regular Show has lost some of the magic of the early seasons, still very watchable I just love Mordo and Rigby, but I would like them to focus on the supernatural and adventurous part of the show.

New characters would help a lot, I miss Thomas :/

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dity

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Chances is that the person is talking about the "unicorn in the body of a poney" episode that showed that trans people are monsters... Or the small part with Him that is basically "lol gender confussion"
As said before, haven't seen either episode yet so I can't comment on them. If they turn out to be horrible, they're horrible, but I won't throw down the whole show for it. I will be critical of it.
 

LowParry

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New PPG is odd. My kids like it so I guess there's that but in the end they go for more of Gumball and TTG. A shame they couldn't get any more licensing with characters for TTG. You get pretty tired of the same'ol TT vs The HIve nonsense. Although Brother Blood is probably my favorite villain character. Especially in the Waffles episode.
 

Beartruck

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RS fell off to me, Steven is the only CN show I stick with though I heard good things about We Bare Bears.

Gumball I watch here and there but still a good show though and though, I don't think there's no unlikable characters on Gumball.

We bare bears is a pretty solid show with a lot of heart. Nothing must watch, just really pleasant.

Really? Because WBB makes a point to on and off reference pretty old animal meme stuff. Heck, consider that Panda's thing for a whole episode was the "cute panda sneeze" from some time forever ago... *googles* 2006.

For what its worth, I never knew about the Panda sneeze meme and it didn't affect my enjoyment of the episode in the least. That's how a reference should work.
 

Lijik

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Really? Because WBB makes a point to on and off reference pretty old animal meme stuff. Heck, consider that Panda's thing for a whole episode was the "cute panda sneeze" from some time forever ago... *googles* 2006.
I think youre being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse here but ill play ball with your weird gotcha attempt. Like I said in WBB they contextualize it in the world better so you can still enjoy the story even if you dont recognize it. That episode revolves around two animals trying to outcute each other, thats larger than a simple reference. It wasnt just doing a recreation of the video you linked and treating that as a punchline and dropping there.

I probably wouldnt enjoy an episode that organically revolved around memefaces because I never cared for them much but at least itd be something. Surely you get the difference between the WBB episode you brought up and a quick discussion about "cant even" or a quick reference never brought up again.
 

Kinyou

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I just watched the episode after seeing the clip in this thread and its not great.

At the end you find out that his mom was a unicorn so he was born with a horn in the first place and just had it hidden by hair which sorta gives the opposite message than something transpositive should give for. at the very best, completely invalidates anything else good. In the context of transgender it gives the impression that you already have to have the parts associated with that gender to be that gender . Yeah...
So in the end it's more like race that can be inherited? They're really all over the place with that thing.
 

While I do think the artistic direction in the show is pretty wonky at times (the best thing about it are Cheyenne Curtis' character designs and some of the BGs), screen capping a random weird looking inbetween that's only on screen for less than a few milliseconds to make the show look bad is kind of stupid.

Trust me, it's not hard to find a lot of wonky inbetween drawings in classic PPG.
But honestly...that's okay, while inbetweens should have some sort of appeal they can be kind of dumb lookin' if they happen to be the solution that sells the movement/acting.
 

Lo_Fi

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I think the Gumball example works because it's funny and effective even if you haven't watched a HowToBasic video- the visuals are funny in the same way that the originals are. You're not baffled if you don't know the source of the reference, and it's a neat little nod if you do.

Bubbles's meme face, on the other hand, is ONLY a joke if you know the original meme- if you don't, I can only imagine it's baffling. That's the difference between using a reference to bolster your own humour and using it as a crutch to disguise your own lack of humour.

I agree, but also Bubbles's meme face isn't even a joke, even if you know the reference. That's what's frustrating about people randomly slapping memes into everything. The fact that it will be dated extremely quickly is just an aside - the main point is that referencing something itself isn't inherently comedy. It's literally nothing but saying "hey, I know about this thing, and you know about this thing! Haha aren't we both hip?" There isn't even a punchline, and aside from absurdist humor like tim and eric, you kinda need a punchline for a joke to be a joke.

Sorry to be a comedy snob but memes are terrible and you actually have to have a clever twist on it for it to be a joke.
 
While I do think the artistic direction in the show is pretty wonky at times (the best thing about it are Cheyenne Curtis' character designs and some of the BGs), screen capping a random weird looking inbetween that's only on screen for less than a few milliseconds to make the show look bad is kind of stupid.

Trust me, it's not hard to find a lot of wonky inbetween drawings in classic PPG.
But honestly...that's okay, while inbetweens should have some sort of appeal they can be kind of dumb lookin' if they happen to be the solution that sells the movement/acting.

It doesn't appear for long, but it was pretty noricable in my opinion. Either way it just seems like a lazy oversight on the part of the animators.
 
Well, the one good thing that came from this reboot is this thread, which put me in the mood to watch the original series on Netflix. It's even better than I remember.
 

iddqd

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Cool beans. :)

Come to think of it, I actually applied at 9Story this month. I have a gig at Slap Happy Cartoons starting in June, but I'm looking for freelance work in the meanwhile. I'm also waiting to hear back from MOA/Dentsu Entertainment for the Mega Man production they are developing right now, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that.

I agree that some of the best cartoons are board driven, but I also find that a good show steams from direction and personality, and each department needs to be in synergy with one-another to make it fly. Collaboration is also key to making a decent board into a great one, and it's probably why I want to work on a series that works off of an outline and board an entire episode, as well as write the dialogue.

Having a mixture of a well experienced crew (with some new blood to train and shoot ideas) drawing storyboards, layouts, and animation, also helps.

Write me a PM if that works out with 9story. Would be fun if you animate on the show I'm currently boarding. Its a super fun one.

I'll watch it just for you, then

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Maedhros

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The ONLY show I don't really like in CN is Uncle Grandpa.

All the others are pretty good overall.

Still haven't watched the new PPG though. Knowing that they removed old characters will certainly makes my opinion biased now.
 
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