So why is Barrack Obama failing?

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I don't know, but it's sad. The idea of Hilary becoming this nations president is frightening.

Though, better her than Mr. 9/11.
 
SteveMeister said:
I see, so Obama has a "campaign team" while Clinton has a "goon squad."

I can see Obama's point with the flag lapel pin -- that was clearly a post 9/11 fad. But not putting your hand over your heart during the national anthem? That's just disrespectful. The guy wants to be President and he won't even follow that simple, time-honored gesture of patriotism? Not good at all.
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I'll bet he doesn't have a yellow ribbon magnet on his SUV either. Fucking traitor...
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ToyMachine228 said:
There was an article about this on CNN yesterday. Obama has been running his campaign pretty much avoiding bashing the other candidates. The analyst who wrote the article stated that if Obama wants any chance of catching Hillary, he needs to start getting his hands dirty and doing some Anti-Clinton campaigning. Whether or not he will ditch his good guy image to do that remains to be seen.
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Right. And this is a media instituted requirement. His supporters don't want to see him demean himself by mudslinging when his whole campaign theme is "hope". That betrayal of personal conviction would be the ultimate reason not to continue supporting him.

Its the idiot media only understands simian politics. They thrive on bullshit like the Swiftboat Veterans for "Truth". Everyone understands that stuff to be a complete joke now, but the media handed that man a microphone.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Yeah. He goes off quite detached an uniformed in debates, which is somewhat surprising given his Harvard law roots. I would guess that once the field lowers and it becomes an inevitable three person race, he'll be able to make a far better impression. Hillary has walked away with all the debates.

Who knows, maybe there will be a miracle and he'll beat Hillary in Iowa, maybe gain some momentum.
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As much as I don't like Mrs. Clinton, there's no way that Barack can gain enough momentum to beat her. He's too far behind in mindshare as it is. The Dem nomination will be Clinton by a landslide, no doubts about it.
 
theBishop said:
Right. And this is a media instituted requirement. His supporters don't want to see him demean himself by mudslinging when his whole campaign theme is "hope". That betrayal of personal conviction would be the ultimate reason not to continue supporting him.

Its the idiot media only understands simian politics. They thrive on bullshit like the Swiftboat Veterans for "Truth". Everyone understands that stuff to be a complete joke now, but the media handed that man a microphone.
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American media loves this stuff, because mudslinging gives them ratings. Give them a juicy story, and they'll run with it. They can't really run on flowers and hugs.
 
SRG01 said:
As much as I don't like Mrs. Clinton, there's no way that Barack can gain enough momentum to beat her. He's too far behind in mindshare as it is. The Dem nomination will be Clinton by a landslide, no doubts about it.
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I'll wait for votes to be cast. There's still hope!
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Mudslinging means media can spend time just covering what responses are to attacks instead of having to provide commentary on issues.
 
It's not the media, it's you guys--ie the public--that eats negative / gossipy / distracting shit up. I'd say the ones who are news / political junkies make it even worse, things like radical devotion to news-based comedy programming makes it even worse, etc.

Although to suggest the only reason to support Hillary is because of a biased media following her drumbeat and trying to distract an unknowing public from real candidates and real issues is a bit insulting, considering she's someone 99% of you are going to be voting for when the time comes...
 
He just doesn't have enough experience.

Obama for Pres. in 2020 maybe, when he's headed up some senate committees, etc.
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
He doesn't put his hand over his heart.
He doesn't wear an American flag pin.


Therefore he's not ready to stand up against Republicans.
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Fixed.

If a pin and a hand gesture sinks him against Clinton then the guy was a loser to begin with that had no chance of being President. Clinton has so far run a flawless campaign and that's what you need to do to be able to defeat the Republican machine. Republicans will knock on him 24/7 with silly stuff and if you can't take the beating now then you will fall apart like Kerry did.
 
SteveMeister said:
I see, so Obama has a "campaign team" while Clinton has a "goon squad."

I can see Obama's point with the flag lapel pin -- that was clearly a post 9/11 fad. But not putting your hand over your heart during the national anthem? That's just disrespectful. The guy wants to be President and he won't even follow that simple, time-honored gesture of patriotism? Not good at all.
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While i do think it would have been smart of him to just put his hand on his heart, its not like he took a dump on the american flag or anything, just standing silently during the national anthem doesn't make him disrespectful or less patriotic than someone who follows the US code...
 
Experience in politics is pretty much experience in: doing nothing, talking big, watering down legislation into nothingness and taking bribes. I don't why assholes get this dumb idea that "He's inexpereinced !".
 
mellowyellowod said:
While i do think it would have been smart of him to just put his hand on his heart, its not like he took a dump on the american flag or anything, just standing silently during the national anthem doesn't make him disrespectful or less patriotic than someone who follows the US code...
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To many it does. The guy wants to be the President of the USA, yet he doesn't feel he should follow US code when the NATIONAL ANTHEM is played. It was a bone-headed move, even if you think the US code is stupid.

This wasn't some drunken Orioles fan in the stands at a game shouting "OOOOOH!" when the last line of the song starts. This was a Presidential candidate.
 
mellowyellowod said:
While i do think it would have been smart of him to just put his hand on his heart, its not like he took a dump on the american flag or anything, just standing silently during the national anthem doesn't make him disrespectful or less patriotic than someone who follows the US code...
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Who really thinks it's a good idea to do that kind of "controversial/unpatriotic" shit that is going to put you on the defensive when you're trying to run a presidential campaign? Not someone who is going to win.

A prospective president should be doing a lot more than trying to trying to prove he really even LIKES the country. It's just haphazard politics brought on by inexperience and the fact that he's just an internet fad like Rick Astley and NEDM. He sure as hell doesn't have the legs of Caturday.

Seriously, if Dean got crucified for being excited, what the fuck did anyone think would be the result of Obama's actions?
 
theBishop said:
Its the idiot media only understands simian politics. They thrive on bullshit like the Swiftboat Veterans for "Truth". Everyone understands that stuff to be a complete joke now, but the media handed that man a microphone.
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The problem is, more people get their political views and information from this sort of "dirty media" like the NY Post than those who read say...The NY Times or any more level-headed outlet. You hear more people demean candidates for X reason rather than supporting a candidate for X reason.
 
Considering how shit the Republican canidates are, a Dem is bound to win. At least we have hope that Hil will make him Vice Pres. 8 years from now he'll have his shot.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
The problem is, more people get their political views and information from this sort of "dirty media" like the NY Post than those who read say...The NY Times or any more level-headed outlet.
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Do they? I think more people get their political views from Jay Leno, but who's counting?
 
mellowyellowod said:
While i do think it would have been smart of him to just put his hand on his heart, its not like he took a dump on the american flag or anything, just standing silently during the national anthem doesn't make him disrespectful or less patriotic than someone who follows the US code...
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It does when Fox News has you pegged as a "Muslim" and your name has Hussein in it and your first name rhymes with the same country you want to pull the US out of.
 
Many regular Fox News viewers might be persuaded to not vote for the young Democrat in that case, yes.
 
Triumph said:
He's too intelligent. I'm not joking.
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This and that idiots tend to vote for the most popular name which in this case is Clinton. And since the majority of the human population are idiots Hilary has a very good chance.
 
Stoney Mason said:
Do you ever post anything that isn't bullshit in any thread however tangentially related to race?
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Do you ever post anything other than bullshit, period?

You're pretty fucking stupid if you can't acknowledge that Barack Obama is, indeed, a black man. Keep it real, brotha (Real stupid, that is).
 
WickedAngel said:
Do you ever post anything other than bullshit, period?

You're pretty fucking stupid if you can't acknowledge that Barack Obama is, indeed, a black man. Keep it real, brotha.
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As usual I have no idea what this post means in relation to anything I posted. Your bullshit streak stays on track.
 
GenericPseudonym said:
Experience in politics is pretty much experience in: doing nothing, talking big, watering down legislation into nothingness and taking bribes. I don't why assholes get this dumb idea that "He's inexpereinced !".
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Probably because he makes mistakes that an experienced candidate wouldn't make and his debate skills remind me of the kid in high school who got up in front of the class and every other word he said was um or like. Also his let's blow up Pakistan which would start a nuclear war while pulling out of Iraq reeks of being inexperienced.
 
SteveMeister said:
I see, so Obama has a "campaign team" while Clinton has a "goon squad."

I can see Obama's point with the flag lapel pin -- that was clearly a post 9/11 fad. But not putting your hand over your heart during the national anthem? That's just disrespectful. The guy wants to be President and he won't even follow that simple, time-honored gesture of patriotism? Not good at all.
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Do YOU put your hand over your heart everytime you hear the national anthem.

I don't know about you, but I haven't done that since middle school.

That's Obama's lack of experience at national political savvy at play, nothing else.
 
NWO said:
Probably because he makes mistakes that an experienced candidate wouldn't make and his debate skills remind me of the kid in high school who got up in front of the class and every other word he said was um or like. Also his let's blow up Pakistan which would start a nuclear war while pulling out of Iraq reeks of being inexperienced.
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You do realize the Pakistan argument is old and Obama has already completely pwned the people who critisized him for it... right? Not to mention Obama is the most intelligent debater compared to all other candidates; seriously dude your post is beyond delusional. Just because he doesn't drop to the lvel of Clinton to attract the idiots and he's being honest (eg that flag pin BULLSHIT) it doesn't mean he's inexperienced, it means that he has principles.
 
fortified_concept said:
You do realize the Pakistan argument is old and Obama has already completely pwned the people who critisized him for it... right? Not ot mention Obama is the most intelligent debater out of all candidates. Jesus, your post is beyond delusional.
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Obama has pretty much had his ass handed to him by Hildawg in pretty much each debate, that seems to be the general consensus. I have no doubt that Obama is probably a better speaker than Hildawg, but his debate performance thus far has been disappointing for some reason or another. Probably because his campaign staff is light years behind hils'.
 
MetatronM said:
Do YOU put your hand over your heart everytime you hear the national anthem.

I don't know about you, but I haven't done that since middle school.

That's Obama's lack of experience at national political savvy at play, nothing else.
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I do when I'm at a public event and it's being played. Football games, parades, etc.

And that's beside the point.

Presidential candidate Obama was at an Iowa campaign event, on a stage with other Democratic candidates (who were holding their hands over their hearts), in front of a huge depiction of the flag, while the anthem was being sung.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Obama_doesnt_put_hand_over_heart_1022.html

On second thought, after watching the video it's clear the singer was far more disrespectful than Obama. Good LORD that was awful. :lol
 
APF said:
It's no large shock that the Democratic party--a party so deeply-rooted historically in racism--would be so racist that apparently over 50% of them wouldn't vote for a black man, when it came down to it. That the Dems try desperately to appeal to the most base instincts of their most socially-regressive constituencies should also come to no shock, given the blatantly-transparent "gay baiting" of various Republican figures--including Karl Rove, Condi Rice, and, perhaps most disgusting of all, the horrible display of both the Democratic Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates trying to gain political headway by making Cheney's daughter's sexuality a campaign issue--as well as the Democratic front-runner's paleolithic attitude towards video game content, not to mention her mysterious and sinister ties with secretive religious organizations plotting to rule the world (or something! we don't even know what evil they're up to!!). Disgusting.
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You are insane. Certifiably so.
 
Insertia said:
At least we have hope that Hil will make him Vice Pres. 8 years from now he'll have his shot.
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Not gonna happen. It'll be Richardson or Byah.



Enron said:
I have no doubt that Obama is probably a better speaker than Hildawg, but his debate performance thus far has been disappointing for some reason or another.
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Because Obama has run a terrible campaign, plus Hillary is getting tons of money from rich donors who would normally support the Republicans, but know the GOP is fucked next year, and the best they can get is a neolib Democrat like Hillary.

I'll be supporting Edwards in the primary.
 
siamesedreamer said:
Not gonna happen. It'll be Richardson or Byah.
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Yeah those two have ties with the Clintons. Still, Hil and Obama make a powerful team and a lot more sense, but this is America.

With Obama running with her it'll pretty much be a lock for the presidency.
 
SteveMeister said:
Lapel pin flags and yellow ribbons are fads.

Saluting the flag (or holding your right hand over your heart) during the National Anthem is part of US Code:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode36/usc_sec_36_00000301----000-.html

A Presidential candidate, of all people, should be aware of this, and should follow it.
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I'm sure he is aware of it.

An intelligent person should also be able to quietly protest these vapid routines if he feels the country in question doesn't deserve them.

This country is in a crisis of its own creation. Putting your hand on your heart and singing "god bless america" isn't going to help anyone.
 
i blame SD and TA - their two-fer-tuesdays Obama topics have finally clued in the rest of the country.
 
theBishop said:
An intelligent person should also be able to quietly protest these vapid routines if he feels the country in question doesn't deserve them.
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And intelligent people--and the entire country--are deciding he doesn't deserve them.
 
theBishop said:
I'm sure he is aware of it.

An intelligent person should also be able to quietly protest these vapid routines if he feels the country in question doesn't deserve them.

This country is in a crisis of its own creation. Putting your hand on your heart and singing "god bless america" isn't going to help anyone.
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Even if I don't like the direction the current administration has been leading us over the past 7 years, I still love my country. I'm not going to vote for someone who doesn't.

George W Bush isn't "the country." Saluting the flag isn't saluting George W Bush. It's honoring what the flag stands for, the principles on which the country was founded, the sacrifices that have been made over the past 240 years to earn and keep our freedom. Even if we've strayed from that, those sacrifices were still made, and if someone wants to come in and move the country back towards those founding principles then god dammit he SHOULD salute the flag.
 
SteveMeister said:
Even if I don't like the direction the current administration has been leading us over the past 7 years, I still love my country. I'm not going to vote for someone who doesn't.

George W Bush isn't "the country." Saluting the flag isn't saluting George W Bush. It's honoring what the flag stands for, the principles on which the country was founded, the sacrifices that have been made over the past 240 years to earn and keep our freedom. Even if we've strayed from that, those sacrifices were still made, and if someone wants to come in and move the country back towards those founding principles then god dammit he SHOULD salute the flag.
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Lets not get into "Barack doesn't love America" bullshit.

Personally, I disagree with you. I view the flag as standing for the representative republic government of the United States. Why do I think that? Because every week-day for 20 years, I pledged allegiance to the flag and "to the republic for which it stands". The current incarnation of the republic's symbol is not worth the Chinese fabric its printed on.

There are plenty of other ways to honor the sacrifice of individuals who died to protect this country. Putting my hand on my heart isn't going to help anyone.
 
Barrack Obama would be failing more than likely because nobody knows about him.

Barack Obama, on the other hand, is another issue.
 
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