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Sony CEO Jim Ryan says fans shouldn't expect to see PS5 exclusives launch on PC day one.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
People are confusing these with GaaS titles. Live-service games will launch on PC day one, as Hermen has confirmed. Jimbo is saying to not expect games like Wolverine and Spider-Man 2 to launch on PC day one.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think the correct term is, purposely obtuse.
kvltus lvlzvs
Member
How about ps4 exclusives on day 2,978?
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
This is about not kneecapping themselves like Microsoft has.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I dont care for corporate doublespeak. None of us do. Hence why we are all sick of Philbo. I wish you had posted that gif in response to me showing how herman said something that completely refutes what jimbo just said. Not sure why you have an issue with me pointing out the discrepancy and no issue with the suits being dishonest just to appease people.
This man just released TLOU Part 1 on PC just 6 months after launching on PS5 and here he is saying they wont come for 2-3 years. Come on.
GHG
Member
Weird. His own right hand man Herman Hurst said that GaaS games will launch on PS5 and PC simultaneously.
Hermen Hulst - PlayStation GAAS releasing day-one on PC, SP games at least one year after console release
There is is, just as i've been saying. They know what they are doing.www.neogaf.com
Was always going to be the case. They outlined the exact strategy ages ago on an earnings call.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
People who spent money on a platform of their choice want to be treated well and special are wrong?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
But it's not though. GaaS aren't exclusives.
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
"Yes Jimbo man, I rike it when you limit my choices as a consumer"
Anyways, makes sense from Sony POV.
Anyways, makes sense from Sony POV.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
It doesn't matter when PC ports will be released if they're in a complete shit sate for months to come after launch (some not even fixed to this day and won't be), cuz tha't was PC ports have become with a very few exceptions.
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That's technically 10 years. Argue in good faith, my friend.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
As it should be. Im starting to like this guy.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Money from the non fanboys?
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Imagine believing that "gamers" told him that.
The last time Jim Ryan talked to an actual gamer was probably in the nineties. If there's one thing that weirds me out is idolizing a suit, but if there's one suit whose idolization by brand fanboys weirds me out more than anyone else's it has to be Jim Ryan.
The dude comes out like an ass even translated into Japanese, which is a feat.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
From the UK sales threads, we see that PCs account for roughly 15% of the software sales with the PS5 dominating around 65-70 percent, and xbox settling for 15-20%. I dont think having an extra 15% of a userbase is enough to have a meaningful impact in filling up lobbies.
If anything, the cheating in PC games is rampant and ps gamers are turning off crossplay to avoid having to play with KBM players and cheaters on PC. If anything, Id argue that gamers in MP games should be protected from PC and single player games should be the ones releasing in 2-3 years.
But thats a topic for another thread. I want him to be true to his word and release games on PC 2-3 years but he needs to confer with Herman who has been saying different things the last couple of years.
dotnotbot
Member
It's a remake of a game from 2013, c'mon. Main reason they developed that remake was to offer this game to PC gamers but with attractive visuals because original version wouldn't sell well at a high price.
That split may be correct for some single-player focused games like RE4 but certainly not for multiplayer focused games like Overwatch, Destiny or even Diablo 3/4. We're talking about GaaS here, let's compare apples to apples.
We'll see if Spider-man 2 or Wolverine releases on PC quickly after PS5 release.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nobody idolizes Jim Ryan, the fuck you on about?
This is not Phil "The Brand Mascot" Spencer.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
How doesn't matter when they release if they are patched some time after?
TheRedRiders
Member
Oh come dude...it's a remake of a game which came out in 2013. The caveat of remakes/remasters, along with GAAS coming to PC day and date. Everything else won't.
So I do suspect the Bloodborne Remake/Remaster will come to PC day and date or a few months after. However not games like Ghost of Tsushima 2, Spider-man 2, Wolverine etc
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think your sarcasm detector is a shade off. How do you even function on this forum that is 90% cheeky and memes most of the time?... said in a thread that literally has crap like this.
Kataploom
Gold Member
You only quoted half my post, Nintendo profits are too dependant on hardware sales but PS hardware is sold mostly at lost or at minimal profit, it makes sense for PS to avoid hardware dependability more so than for Nintendo, which putting games on other platforms harm their business way more, specially when they're almost exclusively a gaming company.
But don't get me wrong, I'd like Nintendo putting their games on PC, even if I had to buy a controller for them to even work, I think I would anyway to play as they're intended.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
They never said they wouldn't charge for online play. Ad they still do not have a gamepass like service. And they never said they wouldn't put their games on PC.For now.
It wasn’t that long ago that they were never going to charge for online play, never have a GamePass type service, and never put their big stuff on PC at all
Those that do not get this, are just being ignorant. (using that word literally not as a diss).
Why? Because what PS+ extra/premium is now is just a merge of PS+ and PSnow. And PSnow has been there since 2014. Before gamepass. Just like people also seem to forget that sony was the one that started giving games with their service (2010) before Xbox joined them with games with gold (2013).
PS+ extra/premium is the same thing PSnow was,a game rental service. And as long as they are not putting A their games on it day 1, it's never like gamepass.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
I think your math is a shade off. If you really think that nobody idolizes Jim Ryan, or even that it's rare, I think you haven't been on the internet in the past decade.
SeraphJan
Member
The primary income for Consoles maker are the 30% cut from third party software, exclusives are incentive for people to venture into their platform, not the hardware itself. If software was their goal, why even make the hardware, just be a software publisher? By releasing exclusive on PC they lost another incentive for people to try their platform.
Of course as a PC + Console gamer myself, I would love them keep porting or releasing on PC day one, but that's not how that business works.
Edit: Not to mention the extra gain they had on PC from ports are only a tiny proportion compare to how many those game sold on the console, if you were the CEO will you sacrifice all of your killer app that incentivize console purchase just for that tiny bit of profit? I think what Sony did here was pretty cleaver, they port old games to incentivize sequel purchase, lure even more potential consumer for their platform to experience the sequel. And it payed off, look at how many unit their hardware sold after the supply constraint is over. In this sense, Nintendo could actually benefit from this model too, port old game that are stagnate in terms of sales to incentivize more potential consumer, the question instead of to port or not port should became which to port, be selective.
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MiguelItUp
Member
Not sure why anyone would expect that to happen, personally. It's why we haven't seen it yet, and it's why we never will. I'm sure they're well aware that the PC gaming market has grown exponentially over the years, if they were to simultaneously launch on PC and PS5 it'd surely affect the PS5 numbers. So, do it later then. PS5 launch sales happen for those that want it or prefer it, PC comes later and provides extra money on a title that's not moving as fast in the PS5 market at that point. Makes sense to me.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They sure as shit don't idolize him here. Which was my point.
Jokes, sure, but nothing like the Phil Spencer dingleberries.
mrmustard
Banned
Best sales would be day one, because they easily spend >100 millions on marketing the big hitters. Stealth droping them months later on pc doesn't get you many sales.
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Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Of course, these should not be on PC or any sub service day 1. Let people buy the game and a PS5 if they want them day 1. Such a simple money making concept that MSFT hasn't grasped.
Lupin25
Member
Kataploom
Gold Member
Nintendo is different in that way, hardware + exclusives dominates their profits, that's why whenever someone asks, they get responded with "hardware profits" basically.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
That is in beta, not alpha.
I guessed you missed out on the TLOU Pt 1 PC port
SeraphJan
Member
Sony also profit off from their exclusive, hardware could also profit when the cost comes down over time.
However 30% cut is huge for Sony, that there is even less reason for them to not incentivize people to buy their platform
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
For now.
It wasn’t that long ago that they were never going to charge for online play, never have a GamePass type service, and never put their big stuff on PC at all
Well nothing lasts forever right (other than diamonds
)? Who knows, maybe in 10 years time Sony decides to sell the PlayStation division to Apple and then all PS games will be PlayStation and macOS exclusive with the option to stream the games on iOS devices only. 
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
15% of a big userbase is a lot of eyeballs, and it acts as reminder to PC users that buying a Playstation might be something they are interested in.
Worst case scenario is that this drives self-segregation, but on the other hand if you have a bunch of PC dudes coming in after a service has been running on console for months or even years then it pretty much demands segregation due to the experience gap anyway... So it seems a defensible approach IMHO.
I think its inevitably going to be a mixture, and it'd be a mistake to try and hold them to a singular approach like with the whole "we believe in generations" line.
It would much better than 2 or 3 years later.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
As both a PC highend user and PS5 owner, I agree with Jim. Why the fuck did I waste money on a PS5 if I can play on PC? My PS5 has almost 1cm of dust on it because I havent touched it in ages. Only recently I cleaned because I replayed Demons Souls but last year I played like 3 exclusives on it lmao. Give us more games, give me Bloodborne, give me that korean sexy ass game already, give me some good shit.
Weird. His own right hand man Herman Hurst said that GaaS games will launch on PS5 and PC simultaneously.
Hermen Hulst - PlayStation GAAS releasing day-one on PC, SP games at least one year after console release
There is is, just as i've been saying. They know what they are doing.
And so it should be.
GaaS are focused on big multiplayer communities, they need as many users as they can get.
Single player titles are what Jim is talking about.
mrmustard
Banned
I don't think so. With 6 months fanboys would be pissed + you miss all the marketing. I think we maybe will see 6 monts by the end of the gen as a temporary solution and next gen day1. They are doing this slowly to not piss off the fanboys.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Hopefully it is showing to pay off for them, because PC sales are pretty low.
GHG
Member
Those who are governed by hate can't detect sarcasm and fun.