VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Yeah sounds like a good episode but weaksauce way to kill off Sasha. Doesn't even fit the character.
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hey_monkey
Banned
I just really hate EVERY SINGLE GODDAMNED THING about the garbage people. I hate that they are there. That Rick and co were trusting them. That they give them shit. It doesn't make any sense! UNLESS they become a factor later but even then, goddamn, it's dispatches from the land of poor decisions for now.
hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, I think it fits well enough with that. Her disappointment in the end that she didn't get a weapon becoming determination to use what she has as a weapon. I can be on board with that. At least, they've made worse choices by faaaaaar.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Basically. I don't mind them but I think it's to divert focus away from just a direct confrontation with The Saviors. The comic is still way ahead of the show, but they burn through content fairly quick when they're adapting actual comic events.
So the show can deal with the garbage people if it wants to slow things down, and then get back to All Out War. And maybe they really are just a proto version of The Whisperers. It's actually hard for me to believe they're not given their eccentric behavior, female leader, and eventual turn to being antagonistic. What I think the show is doing is showing their devolution to what they become later, since we don't know much about their origins in the comic. I just think the creators are trying to be coy about it.
Coral fires the opening shot of the battle, so I think that's why.
I would actually like this origin for the Whisperers! They were actually kind of talking about them on Talking Dead like a season ago, so maybe that is their plan.
Yeah that's a SHIT way to write her off. Not that I was ever super invested in her character but lol they really just blatantly disregard character development in this show.
hey_monkey
Banned
Heh, I mentioned GPKs-as-Whisperers either earlier in this thread or in the regular thread when they first appeared and got shot down, but that's where I think it's going. They're just SO weird and if they're not linked in the show, then it feels like such a waste.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
At first I believed the producers when they said it was a different group. But now that we know about the double cross...
I just think it's odd to introduce a group that so closely resembles the next big threat, and there be zero connection. The Garbage People barely talk, and they literally live in filth now. The jump to becoming The Whisperers is more like a half step. It would be like having a dude that kills people with a cricket bat show up before Negan. I think they'll double cross Rick, get fucked over during All Out War (like maybe their home gets destroyed) and then they'll start wearing Walker skins to survive.
bodyofanamerican
Member
Heh. A British guy with a red tie and a slovenly best friend.
parrotbeak
Member
i was pretty sure they wouldn't do the bag over the head since it was done already on Fear, and this was an obvious way to switch it up so that "surprise zombie" is on Negan instead but I didn't get why she would ride in a coffin in the first place. The Saviors had them beat, what's the point of negotiating, and why bring her in a coffin just to open it and show her alive. Maybe I missed it when Negan and Sasha were talking, kinda phased out.
bodyofanamerican
Member
Yo! Issue 166 was bananas today. Fucking Sherry, man.
Ya it was really fucking good. So damn happy Sherry is finally dead! I really thought Dwight would be the one to kill her. But I think having old man Rick do it is just as awesome. Imagine making it as far as they have only to die by breaking your neck on a table lol.
bodyofanamerican
Member
I realllly enjoyed the parallels between Rick and Negan being drawn through Sherry and Rick's dialog.
parrotbeak
Member
LMAO that was hilarious. "It was an accident!" Lol good luck with that one Rick.
parrotbeak
Member
I believe it has to be a brain trauma to not turn. Hershel's kids were decapitated and turned.
As were all of Alpha's victims who were impaled on pikes as to mark the Whisperer border. I see. So my guess is that Sherry is going to turn unless Ricky or Andrea take care of it. Maybe Andrea might take the fall for Rick since she's going to inevitably turn.
bodyofanamerican
Member
Here's my prediction (I believe some had the same idea on the TWD subreddit): Rick and Andrea are going to say their goodbyes in the cabin before emerging, and since she's technically already dead (but the Saviors don't know it), Rick will offer Andrea up for execution to the Saviors in exchange for Sherry's death and a clean break with their group.
Fuck man that's a good guess. It's going to be really sad if it goes down like that. I wonder how Rick is going to react when she does die. Is he going to break down and go crazy like he did with Lori? Maybe he will be even worse than he was with Lori. He did have that conversation with Michonne where he admitted he's closer to Andrea than he ever was to Lori.
bodyofanamerican
Member
Yeah, it's gonna be bad. I feel like they've been nudging him ever closer to becoming as bad as, if not worse than Negan. Maybe if it goes down like this, it pushes him over the edge.
parrotbeak
Member
That's what I was thinking was Rick's ultimate character arc from at least the Something to Fear mini arc. I expect him to eventually become the bad guy of the story and that's when his story will end and maybe Carl or Maggie will become the main good guy.
bodyofanamerican
Member
One last thing about this. I'm really bummed that they showed the cover for the issue after next now.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
She probably wasn't. I doubt he'd drag it on this long if she was.
Very true. I definitely think something's up since Kirkman is drawing this out over multiple issues.
It could totally see it happening. But also as long as Carl is alive and around I can't really see Rick heading down that path. Carl has always been the one thing keeping him from breaking.
I'll definitely be bummed if the issue plays out like the cover. But I think it's another misleading cover. At least I hope they wouldn't spoil something like that on the damn cover.
You know I was actually just thinking about this yesterday. The only problem is I can't imagine Rick becoming a bad guy with his son still alive. At the very least they would have to have something that drives them apart. Maybe something like Rick letting Negan roam around is what could put them against each other.
Yep exactly. But I suppose with Kirkman you never know.
parrotbeak
Member
Oh I meant the Fear the Hunters miniarc when Rick goes nuts on the Hunters.
The only thing is that if that's Rick's ultimate story, wow, how fucking cynical a story is TWD for him to go through so much and still try to maintain civility and then have him lose it at the end.
The only thing is that if that's Rick's ultimate story, wow, how fucking cynical a story is TWD for him to go through so much and still try to maintain civility and then have him lose it at the end.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I think the bite is a fakeout. Something weird is going to happen. I can smell it.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Hmm, the covers are usually a swerve though, aren't they?
Holy shit! Man wtf is going to happen with all this savior shit? I doubt Dwight will go against Rick but he will probably be upset about Sherry. Even if she treated him like shit she was still his wife.
I only ever watch The Walking Dead TV show on AMC. I never read the comics. After the season finale though I was wanting to see a little more Negan content. So I started reading around issue #117, planning on just getting a little fix and then quitting the comic. I accidentally read all the way though issue #166. So I guess this is my new home now. It's weird thinking that I've probably just spoiled the next 2-3 years of the show for myself.
What do you think the course of the show will be? I have a hard time imagining that the TV show's audience will be accepting of the time skip, the Whisperers, or any scenario in which Negan doesn't get killed (let alone a situation in which he fights alongside Rick). I think the showrunners are probably going to make a hard detour from the direction that the comic book goes in, just because it's a little too pulp-y and fantastical. Do you want the show to continue using the comic book as a blueprint for their story arcs? I think it would be a little exciting if they just decided to strike out on their own.
What do you think the course of the show will be? I have a hard time imagining that the TV show's audience will be accepting of the time skip, the Whisperers, or any scenario in which Negan doesn't get killed (let alone a situation in which he fights alongside Rick). I think the showrunners are probably going to make a hard detour from the direction that the comic book goes in, just because it's a little too pulp-y and fantastical. Do you want the show to continue using the comic book as a blueprint for their story arcs? I think it would be a little exciting if they just decided to strike out on their own.
More_Badass
Member
I can see them doing the Whisperers. If they're willing to do Shiva and make crazy Mad Max garbage people, the Whisperers ain't too crazy
Plus you kill two birds with one stone. Introduce a new human antagonist and make the zombies feel like a threat again
Time skip and Negan sticking around/alongside Rick, I don't think we'll see
Plus you kill two birds with one stone. Introduce a new human antagonist and make the zombies feel like a threat again
Time skip and Negan sticking around/alongside Rick, I don't think we'll see
bodyofanamerican
Member
Agreed, Negan's face turn won't work in the TV show. And I REALLY don't think the TV audience will be accepting of Sherry/the Saviors coming back as a renewed antagonist again after the Whisperers/herd attack.
As long as Gimple is showrunner I can't imagine them ever straying very far from the comic. Unless of course the show catches up to the comic. And honestly I don't want them to cause I don't have much faith in them doing a good job. Every time the show has gone off course (hospital shit with Beth, the scavengers this season) people constantly bitch about that stuff. So I can't imagine how people would react to a full seasons of original material.
As for the whisperers I don't see why they wouldn't do them at this point. They've introduced every major community including Oceanside already, plus we got shit like Shiva this season. Whisperers won't seem very ridiculous after having shit like the scavengers.
They shouldn't have brought in Negan if they aren't going to keep him around. It shouldn't really matter if people are accepting of it or not, a lot of comic readers were not ok with it at first. Hell there's still plenty of comic readers that hate Negan and wish he would just die. They still have plenty of time to get people ok with the idea. Using Negan's backstory from "Here's Negan" would be a good way to do it.
At this point in the show/story most people shouldn't want Negan sticking around anyways. Plus killing him off would just be another case of a villain being around for a little, dies, and than a new villain comes into the picture.
Time skip would be a good way to get Carl closer to Chandler's actual age. But idk what they will end up doing. Especially since the time skip means changing up Alexandria in a big way.
As for the whisperers I don't see why they wouldn't do them at this point. They've introduced every major community including Oceanside already, plus we got shit like Shiva this season. Whisperers won't seem very ridiculous after having shit like the scavengers.
They shouldn't have brought in Negan if they aren't going to keep him around. It shouldn't really matter if people are accepting of it or not, a lot of comic readers were not ok with it at first. Hell there's still plenty of comic readers that hate Negan and wish he would just die. They still have plenty of time to get people ok with the idea. Using Negan's backstory from "Here's Negan" would be a good way to do it.
At this point in the show/story most people shouldn't want Negan sticking around anyways. Plus killing him off would just be another case of a villain being around for a little, dies, and than a new villain comes into the picture.
Time skip would be a good way to get Carl closer to Chandler's actual age. But idk what they will end up doing. Especially since the time skip means changing up Alexandria in a big way.
parrotbeak
Member
I hated Carl's attempt on Negan's life and I forgot why it didn't bother me in the comic because I forgot how young the comic Carl was at the time. It's way more believable that comic Carl would fail to kill him with an automatic rifle and that Negan would let him live. I
I don't see the Negan face turn working at all in the show either. Andrew Lincoln's seething rage and hatred towards him in his performance has never been more palpable towards any other character, and Negan likewise has been played as just a straight up evil fuck.
I'm still kind of expecting it to happen, but unless they make some serious changes in the performances and character direction it's going to feel like total bullshit. Rick has sworn to kill him twice now, the second time being moments before he was about to kill his son. Like dusty said, a "Here's Negan" bottle episode might help.
I'm still kind of expecting it to happen, but unless they make some serious changes in the performances and character direction it's going to feel like total bullshit. Rick has sworn to kill him twice now, the second time being moments before he was about to kill his son. Like dusty said, a "Here's Negan" bottle episode might help.
parrotbeak
Member
Negan's face turn is faker than Jon Jones at a NSAC hearing.
That might be a good way to go. If a new beginning doesn't start till season 9 they would have like 18 months of comic material to see what happens with him.
But even than it seems like Gimple really wants tv Negan to head down the same path. Why else would he introduce the jail cell and Morgan's philosophy that people can change.
Also here's what Gimple said about Here's Negan:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...on-7-finale-explained-season-8-preview-990764
Negan's backstory in the Image+ preview magazine makes him a rather sympathetic. Have you thought about incorporating that?
"I might have gotten an advance on "Here's Negan." But it makes him somewhat sympathetic. Absolutely, I have thought about incorporating that. I will say in one of the most recent issues of the book, with rick and Negan's discussion in the house, which reflected "Here's Negan" a lot, absolutely. I will say, not full bore but pieces of it spread out a little bit more. Negan's backstory has been weaved into his comic tenure and we do want to introduce it a little earlier than it was in the comics. So yes, but we're building it up."
What do you think his end game goal is then? I really hope he isnt faking all this shit.
parrotbeak
Member
Ya, once I saw Morgan building the cell, my assumption was that it was for Negan. Although I guess they could just be purposely misdirecting the comic readers.
Maybe "faking" isn't the right word but he's manipulating his way into power again. Maybe he's not that different from Rick except Negan doesn't have a Carl.
I brought up that in the beginning Negan is cheating on his wife while she dies of cancer. I think it was also implied that he starts cheating with Sherry early on? There was just a one off line about her liking hotel rooms because of what people do in them but maybe it was just flirting.
I don't find him sympathetic in the backstory. He's ultimately out for himself but realizes that having a group is helpful to him. He'll go to bat for the group as long as he's directly benefiting from it. His goal would be to be a leader again or at least someone influential over others, and use others as a buffer of protection around himself. He's not going to try to remain a low tier soldier.
Maybe "faking" isn't the right word but he's manipulating his way into power again. Maybe he's not that different from Rick except Negan doesn't have a Carl.
I brought up that in the beginning Negan is cheating on his wife while she dies of cancer. I think it was also implied that he starts cheating with Sherry early on? There was just a one off line about her liking hotel rooms because of what people do in them but maybe it was just flirting.