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Square Enix announces new cloud gaming service Shinra Technologies, led by Wada
- Thread starter GavinUK86
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https://shinra.com/us/blog/establishment-of-shinra-technologies
Lol. Looks like based on the site and what they're saying, DiveIn is a consumer end solution (the audience is consumers who want to play certain games and are willing to pay for a subscription), while Shinra here is a developer/publisher solution where their business is to get people who want to use this platform on board.
Lol. Looks like based on the site and what they're saying, DiveIn is a consumer end solution (the audience is consumers who want to play certain games and are willing to pay for a subscription), while Shinra here is a developer/publisher solution where their business is to get people who want to use this platform on board.
mrmickfran
Member
I don't know if I should call you a nerd for making that joke, or if I should really be ashamed of myself for actually getting the joke.
QuantumBro
Banned
Does Polygon not have an editor?
Revolutionary
Member
Are customer support reps going to be called Turks?
TheGreatDirector
Banned
This can't be real. Something must be up...
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I am pretty sure by cloud gaming service they mean to suck the mako out of the planet which likely will form toxic clouds.
maybe not officially. but i know i will
Aerobatics
Neo Member
Only quality projects when Shinra teams up with Avalache.
legacyzero
Banned
Yeah, this is getting pretty fucking strange.
Not so strange when you realise it's Wada in charge of it. ¬_¬
killatopak
Member
I'm loving all these puns.
Reading the site it sounds very... pie in the sky-ish. I'm not sure what to think but good luck to them I guess?
What so attractive about cloud gaming anyway ?
I did use onlive for a good while (played two games on there actually) but i still wouldn't say its an amazing service even though its way better and cheaper than PSNow for instance.
Its really expensive ,doesn't give you the best version of the game and requires constant internet connection.
Maybe I am shortsighted ,but what could Cloud tech potentially add to games in the future ??? Other than letting you rent bad versions of games.
I did use onlive for a good while (played two games on there actually) but i still wouldn't say its an amazing service even though its way better and cheaper than PSNow for instance.
Its really expensive ,doesn't give you the best version of the game and requires constant internet connection.
Maybe I am shortsighted ,but what could Cloud tech potentially add to games in the future ??? Other than letting you rent bad versions of games.
brandonh83
Banned
What's next, Cait Sith in Star Wars Episode VII?
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I want my games...
installable on my own hardware
moddable as I see fit
uninstallable and reinstallable any time I want
launchable without having to dig through someone's front end
playable offline, whenever possible
free of advertisements
"The cloud" is the "right" future for companies because it allows them to control not only the distribution of the game (piracy argument), but also because it allows them to control your viewing experience (think commercials).
I'll keep putting my money where my mouth is. Come the day the only way I can play a video game is through the cloud, I'll find some other game to play, or some other way to pass my time.
installable on my own hardware
moddable as I see fit
uninstallable and reinstallable any time I want
launchable without having to dig through someone's front end
playable offline, whenever possible
free of advertisements
"The cloud" is the "right" future for companies because it allows them to control not only the distribution of the game (piracy argument), but also because it allows them to control your viewing experience (think commercials).
I'll keep putting my money where my mouth is. Come the day the only way I can play a video game is through the cloud, I'll find some other game to play, or some other way to pass my time.
Ah yes. I was trying to think of something to compare this to and I think you've got it exactly right.
R10Neymarfan
Member
When they say cloud do they mean stream it to you like PS now or have your PC run it from the cloud?
Okay reading the info basically instead of just running a game and encoding it as a video service that takes input back from the user, they try to massively parallelize all the systems of a game so they can render everything more efficiently for a huge number of users on less hardware.
The idea is essentially to make cloud gaming more economical by making the workload look more like a science experiment computation that maximizes all available hardware instead of a one or two game per box type of solution where a lot of the hardware might not be utilized at any given moment.
The idea is essentially to make cloud gaming more economical by making the workload look more like a science experiment computation that maximizes all available hardware instead of a one or two game per box type of solution where a lot of the hardware might not be utilized at any given moment.
DangerMouse
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Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Too complicated for square if HD towns are hard
DangerMouse
Member
Apparently this was the reveal:
LOL
legacyzero
Banned
Funny thing... Didnt Ubi publish FF7 on PC?
The only good thing about it is that it allows the end user to play games without buying expensive hardware up front.
Everything else about it is a downgrade in the long term. For any game that's sufficiently old, technology prices will have dropped to the point that buying the hardware would have been a better economic prospect than paying for a monthly service for a couple years. For any game that's played for a sufficiently long time, downloading the software is more bandwidth-efficient than streaming video for the entire playtime. Picture quality, framerate, and input latency are also considerations.
There are also issues of scale. For every person streaming a PS4-level game experience simultaneously, you need a PS4's worth of processing power running on some machine somewhere. Also, internet infrastructure in the US specifically is awful.
edit: if it's not video streaming, disregard that part of the post. If it's not, though, you're going to run into a whole other set of issues.
No it was Edios
Well I guess it depends on what you're asking really. "Cloud gaming" is a vague term which doesn't really mean a specific thing. There is a lot of confusion out there about what cloud computing actually is, and I think people don't quite understand exactly what why various companies are trying very hard to make a stake in the market.
What is the benefit of cloud technology for gaming? There are infinite benefits, but that doesn't mean there are a ton which are already being realized right now. The two biggest benefits at the moment are platform-free gaming services and more optimized online performance and services.
The former is stuff like OnLive and PS Now, where regardless of what hardware a game is developed for, it can be played on other devices supported by the service platform. This isn't a huge gamechanger as it is, because it basically targets more casual audiences who don't want to buy dedicated hardware but might want to check out games which weren't previously available. It is an interesting business strategy for expanding the reach of existing libraries though.
The latter is something which I think people can relate to much more in terms of day to day internet technology. Web hosting, social media, file sharing, etc all benefit from cloud technology. Think of stuff like Gmail, Dropbox, Cloudflare, etc. Having a data cluster able to detect and deliver the optimal performance to someone accessing stuff regardless of what and where they're accessing the service from is a huge benefit. Stuff like this can be applied to online servers, matchmaking, player data, and so on.
The next step which gaming companies are trying to tap into now is using cloud computing itself to take the load off complex calculations and lower the barrier for hardware on the consumer end. The reason why you see more and more companies trying to go after this right now is because whoever manages to really make a big impact in this field as the market leader will probably make a ton of money. It's not about creating an attractive proposition for the game consumer right now, it's more about putting the infrastructure and partnerships in place to have a strong brand awareness within the industry for technology licensing.
Square finally embracing itself as an evil company.
ha ha ha this
EmptySpace
Banned
there will come a day when latency online is as fast as the connection to your local machine.
we a have to start somewhere. the internet itself didn't start at 100mbps.
NoctisVsStar
Member
My head hurts but it sounds awesome.
legacyzero
Banned
Ironic how Wada came to his conclusion based only on the fact that their own games have been failing for years, without acknowledging their own decisions to blame.
How does a streaming service actually help anyone? People are still making AAA games regardless of the mechanism or system. He dismisses both console and PC in one go
How does a streaming service actually help anyone? People are still making AAA games regardless of the mechanism or system. He dismisses both console and PC in one go
And on top of that, New York was the original intended setting for FFVII. What is even happening.
Quick question then, if you don't mind me asking. Wouldn't this kind of setup be quite ideal for, say, Nintendo's Virtual Console? Or have I misunderstood you completely??