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Star Wars: In Production [Rumors/SPOILERS for All Films Past, Present, & Future]
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aHebrewMenagerie
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WHaT IF ONE OF THE PORGS IS A REINCARNATION OF HAN SOLO
prag16
Banned
Okay, first of all the Porgs look ridiculous. I didn't think anything could be worse than the Ewoks. Jar Jar gave them a run for their money, but now a new challenger approaches... When all the Entertainment Weekly images came out last week I honestly thought they were fake at first.
Second, this is old news by now, but it's lame that Rian made a "creative decision" or however they described it, to totally change Kylo's scar to something that makes no sense based on the injury seen onscreen in TFA.
Second, this is old news by now, but it's lame that Rian made a "creative decision" or however they described it, to totally change Kylo's scar to something that makes no sense based on the injury seen onscreen in TFA.
Demoncarnotaur
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Closer look at the Snoke toy. I dig his look - also didn't realize he was so tall!
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Is it bad that I kinda want this now?
prag16
Banned
Up three times by 3am? Time for a prostate exam.
Yeah seems easily around 9ft if we assume the elite guard dude is around 6 feet.
Cross-Section
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WadiumArcadium
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Snoke looks pretty menacing.
DoctorFling
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I hope he has that car in the film
prag16
Banned
I'm more intrigued by why they felt the need to make a Jabba the Hutt car.
...might buy that for my son. Just due to how ridiculous it is.
WadiumArcadium
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I would have thought Lupita would have been part of the casting announcement if that was the case. I wouldn't be against seeing more Maz though, especially knowing she has a smaller role in The Last Jedi.
Demoncarnotaur
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So is she in The Last Jedi? I was hoping to see more of her, but I saw someone saying she wouldn't be there at all.
WadiumArcadium
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Yeah, she's in it. But Rian recently confirmed she'd have a smaller role than in The Force Awakens.
I love how the scar looks like a question mark.
So I haven't been following rumors or leaks but are there still any chances that Snoke is Plageuis or that Rey was already in training to be a Jedi but had her mind wiped ? Is the next movie going to elaborate on how the First Order has the resources and money to redesign all the empires original designs and put new armor and tie fighters into production all while supposedly being a remnant ? I kind of thought all their stuff would be worn down and old so there's got to be something going on there.
1. No.
2. Maybe. The book Bloodline already details how the First Order makes money through controlling piracy and gambling, and there's a casino planet in TLJ, so those might be related.
WadiumArcadium
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The most likely scenario is still that Snoke is a new character. Johnson's said he's not going to be exploring his background too much.
Rey was dropped off on Jakku long before the attack on Luke's academy so it seems unlikely she was ever training to be a Jedi.
How the First Order had the resources to build a small fleet and Starkiller Base has been covered a bit in some the books. Several planets seceded from the New Republic before The Force Awakens so they have their backing and the Unknown Regions where they set up base has probably got a number of untapped resources. I expect it will be explored a bit in The Last Jedi too though.
Spectromixer
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Untitled Han Solo film might have had its title leaked by LEGO.. shocking if true
i'm shocked
Aw man I really liked that Plagueis idea. He looks pretty worse for wear visually speaking and I was thinking the story Palpatine told could lead to Snoke being Plagueis that used the ability to influence life to bring himself back after he was believed to be killed. Plus his name sounded like it was the real name of Plagueis like Sidious was to Palpatine and Tyrannus to Dooku etc (since just Snoke doesn't sound too hot imo). So if they're not going to delve much into the backstory of him we're just going to have to believe he was just chilling somewhere while everything else went down and no one had a clue he existed. I don't know about that.
And if Rey didn't already have base level training or knowledge of the force somehow (even forgotten) ... yikes lol. Well, who knows how they'll explain everything in Last Jedi I guess lol.
Demoncarnotaur
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Bummed her role is somehow smaller, but glad she'll be back.
prag16
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I don't exactly LOVE the Plagueis theory, but I also don't love the implication that Snoke was "around" throughout the OT and maybe even the PT, just in the background. While not technically a retcon, it sort of feels like one.
WadiumArcadium
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It depends how powerful he really is and what he was doing during that time. I still don't think he'll be as powerful as the Emperor in his prime. Maybe he was waiting for an opportunity to take power once the Empire fell.
If they'd gone with Plagueis it would have undermined Palpatine's role in the saga significantly.
Same. That would feel like they just pulled him out of thin air. It gives me a retcon-fanficton type vibe I don't much care for.
It would ? Palpatine's accomplishments are literally galaxy wide and were not implied to be predicated on the killing of Plagueis in any way since he was said to be dead during everything Palpatine did in the PT. And even if you ignore all of the PT and OT, there would still be no first order without the Empire's foundation either.
Plus they could easily say Plagueis spent years to slowly regenerate himself back to life since it sounds like a near impossible feat to achieve.
And to be fair TFA is already undermining a lot of things the OT and PT set in place already so I wouldn't put anything past them anyway.
prag16
Banned
Agreed. But at this point I guess this is what I'm expecting. Oh well, not a dealbreaker.
It would ? Palpatine's accomplishments are literally galaxy wide and were not implied to be predicated on the killing of Plagueis in any way since he was said to be dead during everything Palpatine did in the PT. And even if you ignore all of the PT and OT, there would still be no first order without the Empire's foundation either.
Plus they could easily say Plagueis spent years to slowly regenerate himself back to life since it sounds like a near impossible feat to achieve.
And to be fair TFA is already undermining a lot of things the OT and PT set in place already so I wouldn't put anything past them anyway.
In the (now non-canon) Plagueis novel, Plagueis was actually ALIVE for most of TPM. And after that Palpatine thinks he may feel Plagueis, now allegedly dead, nevertheless reaching out to him from "beyond the Force" or something like that iirc.
Obviously as I said that's now non-canon, but that type of setup leaves the door open for what you said; Plagueis, over decades slowly finding a way to 'return' from beyond. And I don't think that necessarily trivializes or weakens Palpatine's accomplishments and activities at all.
I don't know how popular this opinion would be, but I find that to be better and more satisfying than Snoke just being a random. (And by the same token I don't really want Rey to just be a random, though many here DESPERATELY want that for some reason.) It would be a neat thread of continuity back to the PT, and Snoke being Plagueis (or not) doesn't have to have any real impact on the story they are telling NOW, so it's not like it would tie their hands in terms of what they could do. It would also make it feel like less of a retcon than just claiming he was "around in the background" during the OT.
EDIT: I'll just say this for TLDR purposes. I'm not desperately wedded to the idea that Snoke just HAS to be Plagueis. But if (in the likely event that) he's not Plagueis, Snoke's backstory better be fucking awesome. Because if it's cheap, mailed in, nonexistent, or deficient in any way.. I'll feel like they just should have made him Plagueis.
WadiumArcadium
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It would mean Palpatine - who is still regarded as the big bad of the saga - was too stupid to realise he hadn't successfully killed his master despite knowing what powers he supposedly possessed. Plus it taking him 40+ years to return is a stretch.It would ? Palpatine's accomplishments are literally galaxy wide and were not implied to be predicated on the killing of Plagueis in any way since he was said to be dead during everything Palpatine did in the PT. And even if you ignore all of the PT and OT, there would still be no first order without the Empire's foundation either.
Plus they could easily say Plagueis spent years to slowly regenerate himself back to life since it sounds like a near impossible feat to achieve.
And to be fair TFA is already undermining a lot of things the OT and PT set in place already so I wouldn't put anything past them anyway.
TFA doesn't undermine the previous films like that in my opinion.
prag16
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To be honest, no matter what they do it's hard not to undermine Palpatine.
Palpatine was the culmination of 1000 years of Sith tradition, and the main villain for six films. Then 30 years later there's already somebody bigger and badder (well, we don't know exactly how big/bad Snoke is compared to Palpatine yet, but nevertheless...)?
In my opinion having Snoke turn out to be Plagueis, if handled well, could actually undermine Palpatine LESS than having Snoke just be a random new character.
WadiumArcadium
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I think the best way forward would be to look at what what JJ and Kasdan did with Kylo. He's not the Vader clone many people expected (or wanted for some reason) but he feels like a pretty unique villain. They knew they couldn't just use the same character again as he would come up short.
It would be a disappointment if Snoke turned out to be just the Emperor 2.0 but I expect them to do something different with him. I liked the theory that Kylo will overthrow Snoke himself once he finds out he's not as powerful as he thought and that he's been using him all along.
prag16
Banned
Yeah, I kind of like that one too.
Exactly. It's much less silly that his master could be so capable than a random guy. Just some random guy who is better than the emperor feels very "It's new so let's go bigger and badder because that's how you show threat escalation, take whatever was there before and dial it up to 11 because the audience must be stupid." The movie just used the up the ante trick on what was there before on many things so they may well just have him be stronger just because.
That's the thing though. They made so many parallels to Ren and Vader both in his choice of clothing and in his obvious idolizing of him that he already came up short in that very way. We already feel like he's a Vader wannabe early on, but that's not inherently bad. Before I'd seen how it was handled in the movie I thought it was an interesting element to him actually.
But the execution of it is not great. He's made to look intimidating like Vader at first, but it isn't long before we start to not even take him seriously anymore. I actually feel like even something as simple as having his lightsaber be blue or green would have helped establish that he was a fallen Jedi as opposed to a full on sith apprentice. Plus I always wondered why he would idolize someone who ended up not believing in those ideals anymore, since I'm sure he knew the story in great detail having been trained by Luke and even knowing where Vader's body was burned.
WadiumArcadium
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At the surface level they seem pretty similar but I think they're pretty different. He's not as calm and collected as Vader or anywhere near as confident in his abilities, despite having some of the raw power that Anakin possessed. He's already gone further than Anakin ever did by killing a member of his family in order to try and increase his own power. That in itself means he's still a significant threat. I felt he was actually more unsettling with the mask off than on.
The relationship, or lack thereof, with his parents is another interesting dimension. Moving away from the shadow of his parents and having that huge weight on his shoulders was definitely a contributory factor to him turning to the dark side.
This is expanded upon in the novelisation a bit:
He killed Han to increase his power ? Do you suddenly get a better understanding of the force, or a stronger force pull because you stabbed someone ? What's the logic behind that. How would that do that. I thought force users on both sides trained, meditated and studied to increase their power, not perform unrelated acts that give arbitrary experience points.
^^ This is not a point in favor of Ren being different than Anakin. This is another point that they are similar.
And with regards to what Kylo apparently said in a book ; that should've been in the movie too then. That quote from the book is an okay excuse, but considering powerful force users like Obiwan, Yoda, and then Anakin can easily come back as spirits and say "Nope, that's wrong," it ignores things we know about the universe. If anything, logically I would have thought Luke would have communicated with Anakin after his death and even have him speak to his pupils about the lure of the dark side. But that's just more things that were apparently never considered lol.
WadiumArcadium
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He'd be cutting out what he perceives as a weakness i.e. the sentiment that Kylo and Snoke view as the foil of Darth Vader. As Rey realises earlier in the film, his greatest fear is that he'll never be as strong as Vader. If he succeeds in killing his father, he probably sees it as a step in the right direction.
It's a pretty different situation. Shmi's death is one of Anakin's motivations for doing anything to save Padme. Kylo's situation is almost a mirror image to that. He wants to get away from the shadow of his parents and follow the footsteps of his grandfather.
We don't even know if Luke was in regular contact with any force ghosts yer. Even if he was, do you really think Kylo would listen to them if he wouldn't listen to Luke? Especially if this was the Anakin that made what he sees as a crucial mistake.
Yeah I can believe that, and that makes a lot of sense. I just don't see it as an actual gain in powers or mastery of skills at all. It don't think it translates in that way.
It was also his motivation to butcher a whole tribe of sand people including their children, lol. They were both motivations for some not so great dark side developments lol.
That's true, we don't know. Though I can't imagine Luke never speaking to Anakin in the aftermath of everything, knowing they have the means to do so. But I agree it's possible Ren might just disregard it. Seems like Luke had a lot of tools at his disposal to educate his pupils about the dark side to stop the same thing happening that happened to his father. Then again, Obiwan had many tools to educate Anakin and he still turned, so yeah, that's possible.
WadiumArcadium
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Emilia Clarke's character in the Han Solo film is called Kura according to Making Star Wars.
I don't mind weird names usually but when they mean something in my native tongue...
Kura means mud in Finnish.
EDIT Actually, also diarrhea in certain context.
WadiumArcadium
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Haha. Oh dear. Hopefully it's not indicative of her performance.
WadiumArcadium
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Some new promotional images:
