I know, poorly worded on my part. I meant that the next paragraph concerning pau'an longevity is currently EU, but that they might make that official hence why they made the Inquisitor in Rebels a pau'an.
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Star Wars: In Production [Rumors/SPOILERS for All Films Past, Present, & Future]
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I know, poorly worded on my part. I meant that the next paragraph concerning pau'an longevity is currently EU, but that they might make that official hence why they made the Inquisitor in Rebels a pau'an.
Stiflers Mom
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A thousand times this.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I love the idea that there's no New Republic. Peaceful galactic governments are fucking boring.
Look at the end of RotJ with no assumption of the EU, and what is the trajectory? The Empire is still a huge force, and who knows how it could all go down with no Emperor. And we can do more than just squabbling Imperial remnant generals and crap.
Look at the end of RotJ with no assumption of the EU, and what is the trajectory? The Empire is still a huge force, and who knows how it could all go down with no Emperor. And we can do more than just squabbling Imperial remnant generals and crap.
Stiflers Mom
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Well, I know. It's even shittier that they kind of resurrected him with these stupid bionic legs in the Clone Wars series.
I guess, that one thing won't have saved the mess that were the prequels, but having one bad ass evil guy as an enemy throughout all three movies would have been so indefinitely much better than what we got.
Porcile
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How many Jedi are there to hunt anyway? Luke and Leia must of been making babies.
This sounds questionable at best, but I think the Empire part holds weight, since it would be natural that after the death of Palpatine, it would splinter off and new groups with different ideologies would form.
Not together though, obviously.
WrenchNinja
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I dont like it. Makes it seem like Luke didnt accomplish anything in the original trilogy,
skeebs
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EU aside, my thought was always "when the Emperor falls, so does the Empire". I think the prequel plays into this with the dark side clouding everything and with Sidious gone, the cloud is lifted.
I like the post about the Mandalorian plot. That would rock. I'd also be all for a Plagueis GOTCHA! but only if they can portray a Muun better than the prequels did. That's one of those sore thumb CG moments in the PT to me.
I like the post about the Mandalorian plot. That would rock. I'd also be all for a Plagueis GOTCHA! but only if they can portray a Muun better than the prequels did. That's one of those sore thumb CG moments in the PT to me.
maniac-kun
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As long as they keep the politics out of the movie.
Mortimer Brewster
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The EU's description of the fall of the Empire was pretty spot on. After Palpatine's demise, there is a massive power vacuum in the Empire with various ambitious politicians and officers vying either breaking off into their own little fiefdoms or fighting over control of the Empire. Meanwhile the Rebel Alliance slowly picks away at this lumbering beast more interested in devouring itself then stopping the Rebels.
You then have Thrawn and Palpatine Reborn both return to consolidate the Empire and attempt two last gasps of taking control of the galaxy back. Which after they fail leaves the Empire a crippled Remnant of its former self, which then leads to the Peace Accord in the Hand of Thrawn Duology.
Bucket Mouse
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Doesn't sound particularly inspired, but it feels different at least. Jedi Hunters dressed in black and chrome feels a very post 9/11 idea and doesn't evoke the OT at all. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but the filmmakers need to ensure that the villains aren't personality-free combat experts like Faora and co in Man of Steel, as that makes for very dull encounters. As long as they flesh out these characters and avoid pandering to the sector of the fanbase who crave "badass" or "grimdark" imagery in a film with wisened emu vendors and giant pigs, they could take the series in a fresh direction while retaining its core spirit. Assuming any of this is real.
Really? The immediate impression I got from the Jedi Hunters' description was that this was JJ's way of having three Darth Vaders.
Not really, it's a central tenet of their belief. Yoda knows about it also, he says at the end of TPM "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice".
So whilst anyone can be an evil Force and lightsaber swinging bad guy (Ventress, Opress) there can only be two Sith. One reason why Sidious commanded Dooku to get rid of Ventress when she started becoming too powerful (and therefore a threat) and why he coerced Anakin (his imminent new apprentice, one far younger and more powerful) into killing Dooku. Anakin becomes Sith when Sidious "christens" him with his Sith title. At that point, as far as we currently know, all other contenders were out of the picture.
Bucket Mouse
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I don't doubt that that could have ostensibly been the reasoning behind having them, but the trope of an elite force of uniformed, surgically efficient killers feels very in vogue to me and designed to produce as many poe-faced set pieces as possible. There was only one Vader and he was a consistent presence across all three films, subjected to failure and eventually redeemed. Multiple villains runs the risk of prizing aesthetics over well-developed characters.
All I'm saying is that the concept could easily fall apart in the wrong hands. Handled well it could be refreshing.
Sorry but did you not just describe Darth Vader?
Even though they trip over themselves half the time and are generally harmless cannon fodder in practice, this is the basic idea behind the stormtroopers -- and really the whole Empire. The villains in Star Wars (or at least the OT) have always been uniformed, monolithic killers.
Also, "subjected to failure and eventually redeemed" is part of his character arc and has nothing to do with his image or what feelings that image is supposed to instill in people. The Jedi Hunters could be similarly tragic characters. Or they could just be irredeemable assholes.
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Hamill is back as Luke Skywalker?
yes
Digital-Hero
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Very true.
Haters will hate to admit it though, especially here.
EDIT:
Wait a minute. All this sounds like the plotline written years ago on that supershadow website:
Star Wars Episode VII: The Fallen Hero
Thirty years have passed since the Battle of Endor (Return of the Jedi), where both the Emperor and Vader met their doom. During the decades since Endor, the remnants of the Empire have been defeated and the New Republic formed out of the ashes of the Empire. However, enemies against the New Republic still exist. A rogue group of Dark Jedi have emerged that threaten the fragile stability that the New Republic enjoys.
The Cloud City of Bespin has been converted into one of the many Jedi training facilities located all throughout the galaxy. The Jedi's numbers are beginning to grow to Old Republic heights. The New Jedi Order consists of about 7,000 Jedi Knights. Bespin is now the home to both Jedi Masters, Knights and Apprentices.
During routine Jedi training on Bespin, the Dark Jedi invade wearing jet packs, which send them like a swarm dropping into the upper reaches of the cloud city. These Dark Jedi are seeking to re-establish the legacy of Darth Vader and, hence, they wear a more-advanced-looking version of Darth Vader's mask, helmet and body armor in honor of their fallen hero.
As the Dark Jedi attack Bespin, their sleek battle satellites swarm the floating city and rain down turbolaser fire on the city. The Jedi are taken by complete surprise. However, the Dark Jedi seek not to conquer Bespin, but to capture some of the Jedi's prized holocrons, which hold vast quantities of information about the ancient ways and customs of the Jedi. As hundreds of light-saber battles erupt between the Jedi and their Dark Jedi counterparts, some of the Dark Jedi use concussion grenades to cause damage to Bespin's superstructure.
A few of the holocrons are captured by the Dark Jedi. With their mission now complete, the Dark Jedi retreat from Cloud City and fly away from the city using their jet packs which they wear on their backs. The Dark Jedi fly into the nearby clouds and disappear. The roar of engines can be heard as the Dark Jedi escape in their customized Tie Rager star ships, which were hidden in the clouds above Cloud City.
The 12 members of the Jedi Council are present in the Jedi Council chamber in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Several Jedi, who survived the battle of Bespin against the Dark Jedi, relate to Luke Skywalker (the head of the Jedi Council) that several Jedi holocrons were taken during the battle. Luke informs the Jedi Council that the Jedi will have to find these lost holocrons and bring the Dark Jedi under control.
Meanwhile, just outside of the Jedi Temple, a shape-shifting Dark Jedi named Asp morphs into Ben Skywalker and enters the Jedi Temple. Asp makes his way to the Jedi super computer area where Asp hopes to disable the Jedi's computer network. Padawans Anakin Solo (son of Han Solo and Leia Organa) and Ben Skywalker (son of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade) are walking by the computer area. They both sense something and enter the computer area. Ben and Anakin are shocked to see someone in the room that looks exactly like Ben. Asp sees the padawans and flees the room. Ben and Anakin chase after Asp.
Asp makes his way to the garage at the Jedi Temple and steals one of the Jedi swoop bikes. At a high rate of speed, Asp flies down the streets of Coruscant. Ben and Anakin each get a swoop bike and pursue Asp. After a thrilling chase, Asp wrecks his swoop bike. The Coruscant zoo is nearby and Asp enters the zoo to hide from Anakin and Ben. Anakin and Ben park their swoop bikes and quickly follow Asp into the zoo. A spectacular light-saber duel erupts between Asp vs. Ben and Anakin. As the duel rages on, Asp begins to lose so he uses his light saber to release Rygor tigers from their cage.
Ben sees the tigers and says: "I've got a bad feeling about this." The tigers spot Ben and Anakin and then charge at the two padawans. Ben and Anakin battle the tigers. Within in a few minutes, Ben and Anakin have killed all seven of the ferocious tigers. However, by the time Ben and Anakin are finished fighting the tigers, Asp has escaped to parts unknown.
Elsewhere, Shindor, the leader of the Dark Jedi, is elated to learn that some of the Jedi holocrons have successfully been taken from the Jedi. Shindor is currently at the Dark Jedi's cloning facility, which is located on a planet nearby Coruscant. Shindor is using this facility to make clones of Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. The Dark Jedi plan to fulfill Darth Vader's prophecy that he and Luke should rule the galaxy as father and son and bring peace and order to the galaxy. The Dark Jedi are using Imperial DNA samples of Vader to produce a clone of the Dark Lord of the Sith and are using DNA samples from Luke's severed hand to produce a clone of the venerable Jedi Master. Skywalker's severed hand is currently owned by one of the chief Dark Jedi named, Spiden.
Meanwhile, Spiden hatches a plan to leak the Dark Jedi's efforts to clone Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker to spies working for the New Republic. Spiden hopes the leader of the Dark Jedi will be destroyed by forces from the New Republic so that he can become the new leader of the Dark Jedi. Spiden leaks this information. The New Republic military and a Jedi army plan to raid the Dark Jedi hideout.
Also, Spiden contacts Luke Skywalker and asks the great Jedi Master to meet with him on the planet of Sluivan. Spiden tells Luke that Spiden is a smuggler who came across Luke’s severed hand in a preservation box. Luke learns from Spiden that the Empire recovered Luke's hand that Vader cut off at Bespin. Spiden says that the hand is in perfect condition and can probably be re-attached to Luke’s arm. Luke agrees to meet Spiden on Sluivan.
Luke arrives on Sluivan with R2-D2 and C-3PO. Luke enters a room where Spiden told Luke he would be waiting for Luke. Luke sees Spiden holding his severed hand in a transparent preservation box. Suddenly, the door behind Luke closes. Spiden sets down the hand and pulls out two light sabers. Spiden holds one in each hand and ignites them. Spiden tells Luke that he will now avenge the deaths of Sidious and Vader. Luke pulls out his light saber and ignites it. Luke and Spiden fight with their sabers. Luke manages to cut off one of Spiden’s hands. Spiden continues to fight with his other hand. R2-D2 rolls up behind Spiden. R2 ignites his rocket boosters and crashes into the back of Spiden at a tremendous speed. Spiden falls to the ground. Spiden stands back up dazed. With a slight movement of his hand, Luke uses the Force to send Spiden flying across the room. Spiden slams into a wall and is left unconscious. Luke thanks R2 for his valor, then Luke recovers his severed hand and then cuts the closed door open with his light saber . Luke, R2 and C-3PO exit the room. On Coruscant, a team of Jedi doctors re-attach Luke’s hand to his arm.
Luke learns that the Republic is planning to send a military unit to the planet where the Dark Jedi are cloning Vader and Luke. Luke orders the Jedi star pilots to scramble to their fighters and join the Republic forces in the fight. The Republic and Jedi star fighters arrive at the planet where the Dark Jedi cloning facility is located. Hundreds of Dark Jedi fighters are waiting for them. A massive space battle ensues.
Luke and a dozen or so other Jedi make their way to the surface of the planet and enter the Dark Jedi cloning facility. Light saber battles erupt between the Jedi and the Dark Jedi. Luke finds the Dark Jedi leader, Shindor, and they engage in a light-saber duel. Luke eventually decapitates Shindor. The remaining Dark Jedi flee the cloning facility with the growing clones of Vader and Luke. The Jedi set explosive charges all over the cloning facility. The Jedi flee the cloning facility. A few minutes later, the cloning facility is destroyed by the exploding charges.
While the Dark Jedi cloning facility has been destroyed, the New Republic and Jedi are unaware that the Dark Jedi succeeded in preserving the growing clones of Vader and Luke, which will be utilized in the Dark Jedi's grand scheme to conquer the galaxy. Back on Coruscant, Anakin Solo and Ben Skywalker are brought before the Jedi Council. For their bravery in combating the Dark Jedi, the Jedi Council makes Anakin and Ben full-fledged Jedi Knights. The two are given their official Jedi robes. Fade to black. Roll end credits.
Digital-Hero
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[double post, sorry]
Liquidsnake
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LOl.
And their "own thing" sounds terrible if true
brandonh83
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Most things especially within the confines of fantasy and science fiction sound terrible. If someone told me the plot to Lord of the Rings I would laugh my ass off without knowing more or seeing the execution. Hell all of the SW films would sound terrible without context.
90% of the EU is much much much worse than this. I don't know how anyone who's read any appreciable amount of it could criticize this short summary on the premise that it's somehow less worthy than, say, the 8000 Kevin J. Anderson Books About Dumbass Jedi Teenagers.
That is a great straw man argument. Never the less, I'll agree that a story is largely successful based on its execution.
I've come to realize other the years that this is a fairly empty and meaningless generalization. Critics always use that argument but they never can objectively prove it or really back it up.
Also, as for Anderson, Tales of the Jedi says hello...
I'm not a *critic* of the EU. I've enjoyed it a great deal. I'm a huge fan of even some of the bad stuff, and I've read quite a lot of it.
But most of it still isn't very good, and there's just no non-reactionary way to read the summary in the OP and conclude that it is absolutely worse than the EU it will be replacing.
The throw away comment that "most of it is garbage" always kills me though, because I just can't see it. And many who deem it so have not actually read what they rip on.
For every "Glove of Vader" you have a dozen of good star wars books.
Most of the EU books I've read have been the bad ones. :lol Jedi Academy trilogy, Darksaber, young Jedi Knight series (I think there a couple of these, some focused on Jacen/Jaina and others on Anakin), the crystal star one, the book with Kueller (Rebellion?), and those really weird hardcovers with Triclops and the dark side prophets (fake edit: yes, Glove of Darth Vader!). But never read the Thrawn books, Rogue Squadron books or New Jedi Order.
All of which I liked a lot, but I was also 13 at the time, so...
All of which I liked a lot, but I was also 13 at the time, so...
Mate, you're doing it wrong! (unless you live in opposite world).
NJO is a matter of taste, but Thrawn trilogy and Rogue/Wraith squadron are just damn good.
"Ben sees the tigers and says: "I've got a bad feeling about this." The tigers spot Ben and Anakin and then charge at the two padawans. Ben and Anakin battle the tigers. Within in a few minutes, Ben and Anakin have killed all seven of the ferocious tigers. However, by the time Ben and Anakin are finished fighting the tigers, Asp has escaped to parts unknown."
Ick.
Ick.
bequietdrive
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Not sure whether this is legit or not, but the notion of Sith worshiping Jedi Hunters is one that sith well with me.
Are these worth going back and reading? I'm at the Corellian Crisis stuff (haven't started it yet), and I skipped over the rogue squadron stuff lol Kinda regretting this. Should I go buy and read all of them?
Well I plowed through them as fast as they came out, and listened to all the audiobooks, so I am obviously biased! What I would do if I were you, as tastes often vary, is grab the first Mike Stackpole Rogue Squadron book and see what you think. If you like it - great, all the rest are as good or better. If you don't get on with it, you've only lost the cost of one book.
Edit - definitely get the book/ebook first though. The audiobook is ok, but is abridged,
NJO is an extremely mixed bag. There's some good and bad in there. But that's what you should probably expect from what amounts to an orgy of the established SW EU writers all taking a piece of a story and writing it telephone-style.
And it actually takes some new angles on the balance of the force issue stuff that are pretty interesting. Never really felt like the payoff was all that great, but the questions were interesting at least.
And it actually takes some new angles on the balance of the force issue stuff that are pretty interesting. Never really felt like the payoff was all that great, but the questions were interesting at least.
Etrian Oddity
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Three Jedi Hunters, eh?
I'm okay with this.
I'm okay with this.
Scooter155
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I'm with Eric. Sounds bogus.
Scooter155
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It'd be hilarious is there's a mis-information campaign going on, like JJ is leaking incorrect synopses to various staff members and then seeing which one leaks.
"Jedi Hunters got out, huh? Guess that means we have to fire Jeff!"
"Jedi Hunters got out, huh? Guess that means we have to fire Jeff!"
Cool. I don't do audiobooks, I like reading them myself xP
I might just do that before I go travel soon.
The Silver
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So what's stopping these jedi hunters from just calling themselves Sith? It's not like there's anyone around to tell them they aren't.
WrenchNinja
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Maybe they can't use the force
PhoncipleBone
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