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[Thirty7ven]

Yea i posted that yesterday in god knows what thread, too many starfield threads now haha.

But this, combined with recent example like the one below from Jedi survivor :








In Jedi Survivor's case, this cannot be done by anything else than a junior developer with no peer review from seniors in the team. Like nobody should be pushing this code with the performance graphs it has

Let's not even go into the script kiddies who find problems or fix problems such as the Last of Us using a bugged Oodle version or the constant ultrawide screen support done by just changing an HEX entry.

Any arguments to protect these devs/publishers from not doing the basics of giving a shit for a port is unsupported. More and more peoples are looking deep into the microbenchmarks of the games and find sheer UTTER INCOMPETENCE.

Now imagine, Microsoft's published game with probably a ton of engineers working on it for the last year to polish the game, doesn't even support their own fucking API correctly.

Gatcha games, Live service bulshit, and other factors have driven away a lot of the talent that used to want to break into the industry, talent that used to be attracted by a constant boundary pushing philosophy in terms of tech and artistic ambitions.

There’s only a few devs out there who have a calling card good enough to tempt true talent.

Publishers have tried their best to turn game dev into factory work, which means those talented programmers and engineers will just opt for another industry where they get paid a lot more.

This industry needs passion, this is a creative industry.

 

[Evil Calvin]

Runs and looks great on my XSX.

Methinks the PC master race are a bit too picky.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Knowing the modding community they’ll let you land and take off from planets.

Knowing how this engine is structured, I am having doubts with even this. Not in the Star Citizen or NMS sense anyway.

 

[GHG]

Runs and looks great on my XSX.

Methinks the PC master race are a bit too picky.

Or maybe it is just you who has no standards for yourself.

30fps FSR isn't "runs great".

 

[cyberheater]

If you want something that plays a lot like fallout4, and you have a pretty good PC, yeah it's worth a buy. But waiting a bit for a patch or two is valid. For me it hits just right because I like the BGS games, even with their jank, and I'm a sucker for space/sci-fi settings, my favorite genre. I think one thing most people can agree on is that it's likely to have long legs and will ported to every device and appliance not owned by Sony over the next 10 years. So there will be plenty of time to pick it up when you feel like it. It's not going anywhere.

Thanks.

Depends whom you ask.
I played it for 30 minutes and uninstalled it, so...

LOL. Fair enough.

 

[StereoVsn]

This review bombing nonsense is just a false narrative. But looking at those comments, it is pretty obvious that this is tied directly to pisspoor performance more than anything else. Bethesda needs to get off their ass.

According to Todd, everyone just needs a better PC!

Also people really need to knock off with the whole Song fans review bombing conspiracy.

 

[Topher]

According to Todd, everyone just needs a better PC!

Also people really need to knock off with the whole Song fans review bombing conspiracy.

You know there are probably a few PlayStation twitter idiots out there that did something like that, but nothing that's going to move the rating by even a hundredth of a percent.

As far as Todd Howard....

 

[Lokaum D+]

anyone knows why steam performance is way better then gamepass ?

 

[killatopak]

I can't believe it's fallen this low honesty. Really getting close to FO76 which the whole community absolutely abhor because of the bullshit microtransaction, lack of npc and especially fucking paid servers.

As much as it's cool to hate on the game, I still want to play it man. Please.

 

[StereoVsn]

You know there are probably a few PlayStation twitter idiots out there that did something like that, but nothing that's going to move the rating by even a hundredth of a percent.

As far as Todd Howard....

Yeah, I wonder what's going to happen with performance and patching in general. Bethesda never really goes out of their way to correct issues.

As for Steam Reviews, yeah, out of many thousands reviews there are probably a few outliears but line you said, they are going to be miniscule.

Just DLSS and FOV crap we're enough to outweigh anything else by far.

anyone knows why steam performance is way better then gamepass ?

Is it though? Honestly not sure but could be some additional latency due to encryption or some BS like that, but a bit doubtful.

 

[ANDS]

I can't believe it's fallen this low honesty. Really getting close to FO76 which the whole community absolutely abhor because of the bullshit microtransaction, lack of npc and especially fucking paid servers.

FO76 is a better game that more consistently rewards exploration and discovery. All the things you've described are business decisions that don't really impact the core gameplay (other than the stash space which is big time scummy).

. . .on every metric that matters - world building, consistency in the user experience, density of activities, etc. - FO76 wins. Easily. FO76 in SF's graphics engine would immediately get me to play that game again.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Yeah, I wonder what's going to happen with performance and patching in general. Bethesda never really goes out of their way to correct issues.

As for Steam Reviews, yeah, out of many thousands reviews there are probably a few outliears but line you said, they are going to be miniscule.

Just DLSS and FOV crap we're enough to outweigh anything else by far.


Is it though? Honestly not sure but could be some additional latency due to encryption or some BS like that, but a bit doubtful.

i have two versions runing at medium 1080p, FSR, on steam version i get 30fps 99% , gamepass version i get 26 fps Max with dips to 19 on combat and cities.

 

[StereoVsn]

i have two versions runing at medium 1080p, FSR, on steam version i get 30fps 99% , gamepass version i get 26 fps Max with dips to 19 on combat and cities.

That's interesting. Guessing somebody screwed something up with encryption then, because it's really same thing just wrapped in extra layer of UWP BS.

 

[Lokaum D+]

That's interesting. Guessing somebody screwed something up with encryption then, because it's really same thing just wrapped in extra layer of UWP BS.

I ll post pics once i get home

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You know there are probably a few PlayStation twitter idiots out there that did something like that, but nothing that's going to move the rating by even a hundredth of a percent.

As far as Todd Howard....

The game would still be sitting at very positive if it wasn't for all my hard work you fuck

 

[Heisenberg007]

The game would still be sitting at very positive if it wasn't for all my hard work you fuck

 

[Sonik]

anyone knows why steam performance is way better then gamepass ?

I don't know anything about this but I will assume it's because every single game launcher Microsoft has ever introduced is a buggy, resource hogging piece of shit

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't know anything about this but I will assume it's because every single game launcher Microsoft has ever introduced is a buggy, resource hogging piece of shit

Oh man, remember Games for Windows Live?

What a shitshow that whole program and attempt to monetize PC online was.

 

[Gudji]

anyone knows why steam performance is way better then gamepass ?

 

[Grildon Tundy]

Gamers lash out at tentpole games because they fail to cure their depression.

Hype gives them a reason to live. Product arrives. Falls short of expectations. Gamers must face their reality once again.

Punished Miku : from the man himself in response to that post lol:

I'm suprised I haven't killed myself yet

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This thread has been kinda fun to keep jumping back in to read past few days. It's amusing now seeing the chest beating first page replies for the 89% make way for conspiracies and excuses as the score decreases over the next 20 pages

My favorite conspiracy narrative was the one about how Sony PlayStation was paying for copies to review bomb and then refund

It was fun watching certain individuals walking that one back when called out on it

 

[Fahdis]

Why are you people so obsessed with what other people think or anyone even reviewing this? Go play the game yourself. What's wrong with people these days.

 

[Topher]

The game would still be sitting at very positive if it wasn't for all my hard work you fuck

 

[Edmund]

I've already made up my mind to pass on the game, based on previous reviews/impressions. Still, I find it entertaining to watch the score. How low will it go?

If it hits 69%. DenchDeckard will post his dick pics for everyone to see.

 

[PropellerEar]

If it hits 69%. DenchDeckard will post his dick pics for everyone to see.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Love this thread

 

[VideoGameEnjoyer]

Why are you people so obsessed with what other people think or anyone even reviewing this? Go play the game yourself. What's wrong with people these days.

Steam coerced me into it. After I had playtime they asked me for a review.

I gave a thumbs up, and wrote 'fun game'. I did not know I was contributing to the rise or fall of western civilization while doing so.

 

[laynelane]

This review bombing nonsense is just a false narrative. But looking at those comments, it is pretty obvious that this is tied directly to pisspoor performance more than anything else. Bethesda needs to get off their ass.

The bugs and glitches in their games, which are never fixed by Bethesda themselves, are my biggest issue with them. I'm playing Skyrim (PS4) and it has bugs that I have found detailed in the wikis - bugs that have been fixed by modders but not by Bethesda despite the age and number of times this game has been re-released. I think Todd's comment about upgrading PCs shows the attitude which has resulted in this ongoing problem. Thing is, people are less tolerant now than they once were. Fallout 76 may have something to do with that since there was a lot of push back on its technical performance compared to earlier Bethesda releases.

 

[feynoob]

The game would still be sitting at very positive if it wasn't for all my hard work you fuck

Heisenberg007
See, this is why jimbo is not doing his job properly. This devil is straying jim from the right path. Jimbo has to cover the track of this little devil.

 

[simpatico]

Bethesda has a huge fanbase. No doubt some of them have been coasting on a 670 GTX, playing Skyrim and Fallout 4 without too many problems on ultra low. Modern game comes out and all hell breaks loose. My half brother is one of them. Just checked, and he's got 7,600 hours on Fallout 4 and 12,800 on Skyrim. Runs an AMD card from the Clinton administration era. No clue how he's faring with Starfield, but probably not very good.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Runs and looks great on my XSX.

Methinks the PC master race are a bit too picky.

Ahh a fellow connoisseur. I too rub my eyes with vaseline before playing games.

 

[Fahdis]

Steam coerced me into it. After I had playtime they asked me for a review.

I gave a thumbs up, and wrote 'fun game'. I did not know I was contributing to the rise or fall of western civilization while doing so.

Apparently it is. Also, Steam gives you an option. It's not mandatory .

 

[StereoVsn]

Apparently it is. Also, Steam gives you an option. It's not mandatory .

It's mandatory when Gaben stares at you holding onto his knife collection!

 

[SmokedMeat]

anyone knows why steam performance is way better then gamepass ?

Probably takes Microsoft longer to approve their own patches.

 

[feynoob]

anyone knows why steam performance is way better then gamepass ?

Because PC windows store is garbage and needs to die.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Bethesda has a huge fanbase. No doubt some of them have been coasting on a 670 GTX, playing Skyrim and Fallout 4 without too many problems on ultra low. Modern game comes out and all hell breaks loose. My half brother is one of them. Just checked, and he's got 7,600 hours on Fallout 4 and 12,800 on Skyrim. Runs an AMD card from the Clinton administration era. No clue how he's faring with Starfield, but probably not very good.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Runs and looks great on my XSX.

Methinks the PC master race are a bit too picky.

I wish I could be happy with the worst version of something. Since when did wanting a better product or having high expectations become "being too picky", some of us don't want to just settle and accept scraps.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Because PC windows store is garbage and needs to die.

I mentioned this when people were like "can't you just play it on pc gamepass?", nah I'm good.

 

[yet_another_alt]

Methinks the PC master race are a bit too picky.

This is true and you can't convince me other wise. Valve nearly turned it around when they got people onto the Steam Deck and suddenly 40 FPS is good enough for the master race. But this year has been really crazy for demanding games.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Why are you people so obsessed with what other people think or anyone even reviewing this? Go play the game yourself. What's wrong with people these days.

Indeed, it’s a certainly not a 9 or 10/10 from what I’ve played.

 

[bender]

Methinks the PC master race are a bit too picky.

Or people are finally not willing to overlook the many shortcomings in Bethesda titles.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

I ll post pics once i get home

If you have access to the "full functional demo version" try that one out as well. I was curious to see if DRM (if they are using any) had any effect on performance

 

[Lokaum D+]

If you have access to the "full functional demo version" try that one out as well. I was curious to see if DRM (if they are using any) had any effect on performance

I dont think they are using DRM, atleast not Denuvo, but its locked 30fps, with almost everything on medium ( npc density and motion blur Low ) FSR2, res scale 100%

Runnig on a RTX 2060 + ryzen 5 3600 + 16GB DDR4 3200.

On gamepass i lose 20% performance, i said that i would post pics, but unisnstalled gamepass version and dont wanna download 116gb just for pics.

 

[Yonyx]

Dang, it's still falling. In the beginning, I was surprised it did so well (89%). The score started to fall over time, which made sense. I was surprised when it fell below Fallout 4 (82%), which was the game that caused me to lose faith in Bethesda (I'd been a previous fan of everything back to Morrowind, but I couldn't get into Fallout 4 despite multiple attempts). I was very surprised when it reached a halfway point between Fallout 4 and Fallout 76, which I never touched and is clearly Bethesda's low point. Now, I'm rather shocked to see that the score continues to fall, and it's much closer to Fallout 76 than Fallout 4.

• Fallout New Vegas : 95.24%
• Skyrim : 93.88%
• Oblivion : 93.77%
• Morrowind : 93.14%
• Fallout 4 : 81.85%
• Starfield 72.83%
• Fallout 76 : 71.73%

I've already made up my mind to pass on the game, based on previous reviews/impressions. Still, I find it entertaining to watch the score. How low will it go?

You forgot Fallout 3.

 

[The Inventor]

I need to say it: I hate how New Atlantis looks. Everything.
Having said this, I absolutely love Skyrim (its soundtrack is pure magic), I liked Oblivion... I'm going to keep playing Starfield, of course. However, I still don't feel that urge to uncover the mysteries sorrounding the story and I've had more boring moments than I would've expected.

 

[Flutta]

Where’s OP btw?

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Was thinking of getting this game on PC but now I'm thinking I might just wait for performance fixes and game improvements.
Is it still worth getting now?

I think it is. It runs fine for me and I have a mid range machine at best I think. I have experienced very little in terms of bugs or problems and having quite a bit of fun with it. Was a little slow to pickup but I was interested enough to keep going and now quite fancy what it is. I like Elder Scrolls games a lot and for a long time, so part of it is just enjoying "this kind" of game. I'd recommend checking it out depending on what you like.

 

[Humdinger]

You forgot Fallout 3.

Yeah, I was just copy/pasting from the OP. Too lazy to dig it up. I think it landed around Fallout 4 territory.

 

[yamaci17]

Runs and looks great on my XSX.

Methinks the PC master race are a bit too picky.

pc is a platform where most people escape 30 fps stuff from consoles. actually there were a lot of console folks who used this as an argument and how PC became meaningless now that consoles provided 60 fps modes

getting 30 40 fps in starfield is super easy. you can even probably do it on a gtx 1070 i5 8400 rig. all the way to the finish.
the problem is getting 50+ fps. A FPS game should be able to lock to 60 on midrange hardware, similar to doom eternal
TPS mode, 30 fps is acceptable. but again, this is PC, not console. majority of people on PC will request/demand higher framerates as a feature from this platform.

in this case however, even upper midrange CPUs are unable to break past 50 fps in cpu bound locations (due to the performance the game targets on consoles and console CPUs catching up somewhat with modern CPUs. at least compared to Jaguars that is)

I, personally, have no problem playing this at 30 or 40 FPS and will do so once I started it. but rest, not so much. there's still a sizable group that accepts shoddy average framerate (35 fps to 50 fps). steam reviews being at %70s or so is proof of that. so they're not even that picky

 

[Crayon]

pc is a platform where most people escape 30 fps stuff from consoles. actually there were a lot of console folks who used this as an argument and how PC became meaningless now that consoles provided 60 fps modes

getting 30 40 fps in starfield is super easy. you can even probably do it on a gtx 1070 i5 8400 rig. all the way to the finish.
the problem is getting 50+ fps. A FPS game should be able to lock to 60 on midrange hardware, similar to doom eternal
TPS mode, 30 fps is acceptable. but again, this is PC, not console. majority of people on PC will request/demand higher framerates as a feature from this platform.

in this case however, even upper midrange CPUs are unable to break past 50 fps in cpu bound locations (due to the performance the game targets on consoles and console CPUs catching up somewhat with modern CPUs. at least compared to Jaguars that is)

I, personally, have no problem playing this at 30 or 40 FPS and will do so once I started it. but rest, not so much. there's still a sizable group that accepts shoddy average framerate (35 fps to 50 fps). steam reviews being at %70s or so is proof of that. so they're not even that picky

Mouse users. I'm fine with 30fps if it's what's accessible. Has to be with a controller though. With a mouse, 30fps is total no go. I haven't used a mouse in a long time but I do use gyro aiming which changes things in a similar way.