Varteras
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Fallout 4 was contentious. Bethesda failed with Fallout 76. They failed with Elder Scrolls Blades. Starfield didn't live up to the hype. But I guess we can see what happens 5 years from now.
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Starfield has 'Mixed' reviews on Steam (Up: 'Recent' reviews are Mostly Negative)
Fallout 4 was contentious. Bethesda failed with Fallout 76. They failed with Elder Scrolls Blades. Starfield didn't live up to the hype. But I guess we can see what happens 5 years from now.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
and for that they will pay. (they already are)
yeah. "Mods will fix it". But remember, Bethesda is now a First Party Xbox Studio.
Clearly is not.
Massive disappointment just like Fallout 4, Fallout 76 and Starfield.
This is a trend.
Ginzeen
Banned
Fallout 4 received good reviews for the most part. 76 was trash, Starfield was mixed for some users. I liked the game. It gave me what i wanted. Elder Scrolls 6 will be massive just off hype. Likely a next gen game and a launch game for Xbox.
Varteras
Member
Fallout 4's reviews aren't what matter. It matters how the fans responded. As I said, it was a contentious game. ES6 might have hype behind it like Fallout 76 and Starfield did. Maybe more. But like Starfield and Fallout 76, it won't matter if the game doesn't perform.
Ginzeen
Banned
They're not paying for anything. People that talk down on the game are complaining about the writing and loading screens which can be solved without switching engines. Creation Engine 2 isnt going anywhere.
Mods add to the experience. They're a additive
clearly it is
only massive disappointment there is 76.
Ginzeen
Banned
Users reviews count as reviews.......Steam reviews are good. The metascore is even better. It wasn't a contentious game. It received good reviews and sold well. What more do you want? lol
Fallout 76 never had massive hype behind it. People in the fallout community were skeptical because it was a online fallout game. Fallout isn't a online ip.
Elder Scrolls 6 will be massive.
Varteras
Member
I don't think there is anything wrong with hoping Bethesda lands its next Skyrim. But I do think that after 12 years, it's time people hang up the idea that they are some magical studio that puts out mind-blowing games. They haven't been that for quite some time. They have done nothing in a long time to warrant blind confidence.
lol since starfart turned out to be an intergalactic turd, it's time to start the next hype cycle i guess.
see you in 2030
Ginzeen
Banned
Nah. Plenty of people like Starfield.
Crayon
Member
They got a formula. The most distinctive thing about it is that nobody else does the same thing. Sure, they could jack it up. But it's known territory and it's there's no direct alternative on the horizon.
Ginzeen
Banned
Like i Said, i liked Starfield. It was a ambitious open world space game that had you hopping from planet to planet. Elder Scrolls 6 will be much more focus. Elder Scrolls is a golden franchise. Can't wait for 6.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This.
This is the most important point in all this that most are currently ignoring. Bethesda and Xbox have a very tough decision to make now.
If they continue using Creation Engine, Elder Scrolls 6 will be hit even harder. AAA open-world games have already surpassed Bethesda's games by a long margin. This gap would be even bigger in 2028-2029 when Elder Scrolls 6 releases.
If they abandon Creation Engine and use an engine like Unreal Engine 5, they will let go of their USP -- the roleplaying elements that Creation Engine allows them to make and what Bethesda games are (were?) famous for. And also no more mods like now. That means alienating your most loyal fanbase and appealing to the other group to attract new customers by making a modern-day open-world AAA action-adventure RPG.
And Bethesda cannot match the production values of Santa Monica, CDPR, Rockstar, Guerrilla Games, or even SquareEnix at this point. They don't have experience making these types of games. And so their game will get hit hard in reviews again.
Bethesda and Xbox took too long to evolve, while the AAA industry leapfrogged them, and now they are like:
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demigod
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Everyones favorite numberStop the count!!!
The change in emoji makes this too funny. @Ass of Can Whooping you're doing too much man.
BadBurger
Banned
I've read some reviews tonight and listened to some of a podcaster who I trust for fair scrutinizing, and I agree that what strikes me most about this - and what should really concern Microsoft as a studio owner - is that Bethesda is still developing games like it was 2011, and using dated tools to do so.
The game probably sold strongly enough for Spencer not to do anything drastic to the studio, but hopefully it revealed that he needs to whip Bethesda into the modern era.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Varteras
Member
Nobody else does open-world RPG's? Nobody else does multi-choice conversations? I mean, what exactly does Bethesda do that's so special? Back in the day, what they did was amazing. Open-world games are a dime a dozen now. Plenty of RPGs have dialogue choices. The alternatives have been there for a long time. I'm not trying to shit on what you enjoy, but it's not so unique. That's kinda the problem they're running into now.
Ginzeen
Banned
Fallout 76 was at like a 50 on Steam. Starfield will just get better reviews as patches, updates and expansions roll out. Oh and of course mods. Also that's not the score. The score is what it says on the Steam page. Not the Steam db.No. At this point, gamers like Fallout 76 more than they like Starfield.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
It's nice to live in a bubble, but the fact of the matter is that after the honeymoon period is over, reality starts to settle in, revealing the plethora of fundamental issues with the game (even beyond the engine).
after the first batch of media reviews then the second batch of media reviews (after the game released) and then the third wave of long reviews, critiques and essays from content creators. The opinion of the game is definitely overwhelmingly negative/disappointing.
Crayon
Member
I'd like to try whatever is so similar. Skyrim is as much grand theft auto as it is an RPG. In fact, contrasting it with the enderal tc really shows the difference. Enderal is a flat out better rpg but in the transformation it can't keep that aspect of endless dicking around.
It's not that nobody else can do what they do, it's that nobody bothers. If there is something so much like it, I would like to try.
Ginzeen
Banned
No that's false. It sits at a mostly positive rating on Steam. How is that overwhelming negative? And that's not even counting the xbox store or the metascore. So you're wrong.It's nice to live in a bubble, but the fact of the matter is that after the honeymoon period is over, reality starts to settle in, revealing the plethora of fundamental issues with the game (even beyond the engine).
after the first batch of media reviews then the second batch of media reviews (after the game released) and then the third wave of long reviews, critiques and essays from content creators. The opinion of the game is definitely overwhelmingly negative/disappointing.
Varteras
Member
Plenty of open-world games out there. Open-world RPGs as well. If you like exactly the very specific way Bethesda does it, that's fine. I mean hell, have you tried Cyberpunk?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I feel bad for people like you. It must be heartbreaking. But i was there (never in denial tho). When you are excited about a game/series or publisher/developer and then, boom! their next game releases and well....is not that good or things start to feel a bit lackluster or outdated.
Ginzeen
Banned
I liked the game. If i thought it was ass i would say it was ass. But i enjoyed it. Sorry bud, but your overwhelming negative narrative doesn't work. Pure fan fiction. Im sure that other site you visit will agree with you though! LOL.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
No, this is the actual score.
The score on the Steam store is filtered by your selected language. The score on Steamdb is the actual overall score. You will get the same score on the Steam store if you remove the language filter.
Filtered by "Your Languages"
Filter Removed:
It's the same score as Steamdb. 69.92% being rounded off as 70%.
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Zheph
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Don't worry just another script follower, unlikely he touched the game
PeteBull
Member
https://www.metacritic.com/game/diablo-iv/ as a diablo series fanatic, who spent solid few tousands hours(hard to say if 10k, maybe only 7-8k but its crazy amount;p) in the games from the series, and played d4 for over 150h, i can tell u user review score is right where it should be, atm, and review score is just for person who wants to play d4 like any other game, so those 30-50h for story/sidequests/map exploring- in other words reviewers judged game like its just another game u touch and move on, users judged d4 as a one of diablo series games, where u play for months/years w/o getting bored, hence big disparity in the scores.
After those initial 30-50h u recognise game has really fucked up gameplay loop/itemisation and no amount of good graphics/good quests/story development can save it, u simply dont get any dopamine rush from getting new items, no frog jump in power but only super tiny gradual progression, on top extremly bad solution to loot- even while u lvling up u can spend tens of hours w/o any or with only minimal upgrades, add to that mob lvl scaling and u actually effectivelly becoming weaker when u lvl up- exactly opposite feeling to what u wanna experience playing hack and slash genre =/
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Ginzeen
Banned
Even if that is the case, what i said stands true. The game will get better reviews as expansions,patches,updates,mods roll out. Same thing happen with fallout 76. which was like a 50!
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
No. At this point, gamers like Fallout 76 more than they like Starfield.
They like it less but there's 10 times more players playing it.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It is true. Check my comment; I have updated it with screenshots now.
And we can't assume the game will get higher scores or it will be patched. That's future talk. Besides, recent reviews are more negative than overall reviews, so whatever Bethesda has done after the launch with patches and updates hasn't made it better.
If and when the game improves and the review scores improve, we can talk about it. But as of now, people like Fallout 76 more than they like Starfield.
Crayon
Member
I loooove cyberpunk. I consider it pretty far off from the es style, though. Cp was driven by the excellent main story. In Skyrim the main quest is ass. It's about them dotting up the map with little things so you just go hiking and find stuff. I cruise around nigh city too, but mostly I am just taking in views. In Skyrim, while it's spread thin, there's enough detail to make it feel like you found something at least a little interesting on a regular basis. Overall feel very different.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Do we really need 20 posts of you repeating you liked this shitty game?
Do you get paid per post?
Ginzeen
Banned
Another roach, joins the fray. I keep responding because people keep responding to me? Isn't this how forums and threads works? Your input wasn't needed because you said a whole lot of nothing.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
good for you
ass ≠ as the game being disappointing or being deeply flawed.
negative/disappointing.
Ginzeen
Banned
More people have played Starfield and Starfield has more positive reviews. Also this is just Steam btw. Starfield has a better metascore then fallout 76...sooo yeah. And yes the reviews will go up. Like i said fallout 76 was at a 50 on steam. So it's very likely Starfield follows the same path for reasons already stated.It is true. Check my comment; I have updated it with screenshots now.
And we can't assume the game will get higher scores or it will be patched. That's future talk. Besides, recent reviews are more negative than overall reviews, so whatever Bethesda has done after the launch with patches and updates hasn't made it better.
If and when the game improves and the review scores improve, we can talk about it. But as of now, people like Fallout 76 more than they like Starfield.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
And so many people more. Yet, the disappointment is palpable even more so form Bethesda fans.
Little Chicken
Gold Member
Love that Starfield still inspires so much conversation even over a month after launch!
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
We rarely get a Game of the Generation, after all.
Ginzeen
Banned
Like I said reviews are mostly postive. Metascore was also good. Your negative narrative doesn't work.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
artsi
Member
With "their games" I guess you mean one game as in Skyrim.
It was a lightning in a bottle.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
I'm still not completely sure how you feel about Starfield. So you're saying you didn't like it, right?
Maybe you could clarify this point, this is a hard one to crack...
ChorizoPicozo
Member
(for you). But is the reality.
i bet you cant make any criticism about this game. I bet you see the loading screen as the most sophisticated feature of the game.
Varteras
Member
Have you tried AC: Odyssey? I haven't personally, but that's a pretty big map with a lot of stuff to do. I do believe Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla were all RPGs. Again, I'm not trying to make you think you're wrong for liking what you like. I guess I'm just trying to illustrate that alternatives do exist and that there are many games these days doing things now that not many were in Bethesda's glory days. I think at a certain point a person can get a little too specific and limiting in what they want in an alternative. But that doesn't make you wrong, at all, for wanting that exact kind of game just done by someone else.
I do think the gaming community overall is moving on from the notion that Bethesda games are super special in today's landscape. Open-world? RPG? Dialogue? Discovery? It's just all been done so much now. Not all at once in one game all the time. But enough to where you really need to make what you have a lot more polished than just simply having it. That's where people seem to feel Bethesda has been left behind. It's not enough to have dialogue. It has to be well-written. It's not enough to have a big world. It has to be well-designed. I could go on but you get where I'm going, I'm sure.
Feel free at any point to tell me to shut the fuck up. Starting to feel like I'm just talking at you
Ginzeen
Banned
I literally told you why your overwhelming negative narrative doesn't work. You just can't comprehend at this point. Like i said, go to your other site. They appreciate fan fiction way more over there
Duchess
Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
you have zero points in reading comprehension. Because that's not what I said.I literally told you why your overwhelming negative narrative doesn't work. You just can't comprehend at this point. Like i said, go to your other site. They appreciate fan fiction way more over there
so. loading screens make starfield better?
Crayon
Member
Have you tried AC: Odyssey? I haven't personally, but that's a pretty big map with a lot of stuff to do. I do believe Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla were all RPGs. Again, I'm not trying to make you think you're wrong for liking what you like. I guess I'm just trying to illustrate that alternatives do exist and that there are many games these days doing things now that not many were in Bethesda's glory days. I think at a certain point a person can get a little too specific and limiting in what they want in an alternative. But that doesn't make you wrong, at all, for wanting that exact kind of game just done by someone else.
I do think the gaming community overall is moving on from the notion that Bethesda games are super special in today's landscape. Open-world? RPG? Dialogue? Discovery? It's just all been done so much now. Not all at once in one game all the time. But enough to where you really need to make what you have a lot more polished than just simply having it. That's where people seem to feel Bethesda has been left behind. It's not enough to have dialogue. It has to be well-written. It's not enough to have a big world. It has to be well-designed. I could go on but you get where I'm going, I'm sure.
Feel free at any point to tell me to shut the fuck up. Starting to feel like I'm just talking at you
No it's all good. I haven't done ac but I enjoy a lot of open world games with their varying degrees of rpg elements. W3, horizon, elex, just cause, botw. There's a lot of leeway in there for different styles. Skyrim/es is unstructured and sandboxy to an extreme. At least in spirit, it is. That's why I compare it to gta. A lot of tools to make your own fun. So many components of it are mid but hey i can fill my house with cheese and punch lydia before i go to bed.
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