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ManaByte
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The guy has moved on but people on the internet want to drag him back in handcuffs.
Synastry
Member
To many Christopher Reeve is still there superman to me its Henry Cavill that's why.
ManaByte
Member
But no one is demanding they go and dig up Reeve's corpse to make a new movie.
Doom85
Member
I’m a trade reader, so I haven’t read the Absolute comics yet, but I’m looking forward to them. I’ve heard Absolute Wonder Woman is becoming a lot of readers’ surprise favorite even with Absolute Batman being helmed by longtime Batman writer Scott Snyder. Absolute Superman is supposed to be good too. I’ve heard the crazy angle they’re supposedly going for with Absolute Martian Manhunter once that series starts and it sounds great.
Really wish they had picked another adjective though. They already use Absolute as their brand name for their highest quality hardcover releases, with the best paper quality and as much bonus content as possible, of specific miniseries and runs (basically their Criterion Collection). So what, we could possibly get someday a release of Absolute Batman: The Absolute Edition? Oof.
Marvel’s new Ultimate universe has been great so far (again, I’m a trade reader, only the first volumes are out so far). Jonathan Hickman’s Ultimate Spider-man is excellent, like holy crap. Ultimate X-men is insanely different, but I’m down with what they’re doing so far. Ultimate Black Panther is the “weakest”, still good though, I do like the enemies being connected to Moon Knight in a way which is interesting. I need to get the first Ultimates volume if it’s out yet.
Synastry
Member
I think your missing the point.
Playing the role of superman is a iconic role people become attached to the actor and so the person playing superman becomes there favorite superman which is why I said Christopher Reeve to many is still there favorite superman just like to many me include Henry Cavill is my favorite superman.
Ulysses 31
Member
Maybe, didn't watch Into the Spider Verse because of the low framerate animation annoyed met too much.
It wasn't a review, it was a video on why he wouldn't watch and review season 4.
To my understanding he was playing devils advocate("If I was a cynical man") when answering if the movie was woke or not and that's when he said that about white and corrupt people. But he concluded it doesn't dominate the narrative so the movie is his opinion is not about race.-his exposure as someone who values pushing his political views far more than actually being a critic as seen in his The Batman review (“aside from one line from Catwoman, the movie isn’t actually about race”. SpongeBob Narrator: A FEW MINUTES LATER “And I must say, it’s strange how all the Riddler’s targets are rich upper class men who are corrupt and all white”.
…….*sigh*
The mayor candidate of Gotham is a white man?
Someone should inform Jayme Lawson, that’ll come as quite the shock to her!
Not sure where you're pulling this from, questioning his family legacy is the closest thing Drinker says about being corrupt.
I don't think anyone is advocating blindly trusting Critical Drinker or any social media influencer. He's not infallible. Critical thinking and a healthy dose of skepticism of opinions/claims made online is generally good advice.
You mean the one with the lord of the rings music?
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Lol yes. Everyone gasped during the sonic boom.
Dragon_Rocks
Member
Those trunks look horrible. Not liking the costume at all.
Ulysses 31
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FunkMiller
Member
Looking across the internet it's becoming apparent that this film is the latest salvo in a tiresome, pointless, childish, idiotic war between mindless James Gunn fans and mindless Zack Snyder fans - with neither side able to in any way accept any flaws that 'their guy' has, lest they give ammunition to the other side. It's all overblown hyperbole and performative nonsense.
This trailer was okay. It is not perfect. The Man Of Steel trailer was better, but the film wasn't great. I hope Gunn's movie is better.
This trailer was okay. It is not perfect. The Man Of Steel trailer was better, but the film wasn't great. I hope Gunn's movie is better.
Revolutionary
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19 likes on a Snyderverse twitter account
And 18 since Superman Returns... so it's been 18 years since we've had something even close to a real Superman movie.
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Give me Nic Cage Superman or give me death!!!
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If a superdog is running around, this movie will definitely be filled with comedic pet scenes. No doubt it'll be a much different vibe than Man of Steel and Superman Returns.
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FunkMiller
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Which is the correct thing to do, to give Gunn credit. Mopey Superman failed. Twice. This feels like the first Superman film in years that isn't influenced by Batman films.
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Ulysses 31
Member
Bit too early to give credit, Superman comes across mopey too in parts of in the teaser and there's no shot of him smiling.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Fair point.
Maybe the Superman vibe for viewers is to have more fun like the Reeves movies. Whereas super serious Bale Batman vibes are a turnoff and should stick with Batman.
For me, I like Bale kinds of movies. But I can see people looking a more lively Superman movie. Even right off the bat, the story in Superman will always be more comedic with the whole nerdy Clark Kent hidden identity plot line.
FunkMiller
Member
Plenty of footage behind the scenes of him hugging kids, and you just know there's going to be some sort of 'who's a good boy then?' moment with Krypto. Add that to the slightly goofy costume deliberately designed to be appealing to children, and Gunn's film making sensibilities, and I think we can be guaranteed of a Superman that's a lot more upbeat and kid friendly than either Singer's or Snyder's.
Hugare
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I dont think Snyder's Superman "failed" by any means. Man of Steel was easily the best DC movie from that universe, and Cavill was a very loved Superman by many fans.
Unfortunately, every other DC movie with Superman in it sucked. It was just very unfortunate that Cavill's Superman had to deal with those weak other characters and terrible writting.
I loved Snyder's concept for Superman. Of him being afraid of what society could think of him, and the consequences of it. Felt realistic and grounded. People would initialy fear him, and it would take time for people to trust him, government would try to control him and etc., so it was an interesting take, imo.
Same concept every goddamn time is ass. I love people taking swings with some risky concepts even when they fail.
ManaByte
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ManaByte
Member
The plan for JL 2 and 3 would have Bruce Wayne cuck Clark by knocking up Lois Lane. Then Darkseid would boom tube into the Batcave and brutally slaughter the pregnant Lois. Superman goes crazy and starts killing everyone. That’s a terrible concept for Superman.
Say what you want, The Flash was a fucking great film as a DC fan.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I liked MoS. Except for the final fight which was retarded. It lasted 6 or 7 minutes straight of punching each other.
I'm okay with this if there were more mainstream DC films as well. A grimdark DC aint inherently a bad thing as a bit of adult fun.
ManaByte
Member
If you want to do Injustice as an Elseworlds thing, fine. But not as the primary DC universe Superman.
Hugare
Member
As I said, I loved the concept of a Superman fearing how society would receive him and all that it would entails. It wasnt something explored before in Superman movies to that extent, so it was interesting.
Execution and the exploration of this concept is another thing entirely. I still loved MoS, tho. Everything else was shit.
FunkMiller
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People are incredibly stupid. Evidence #546788777
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Power Pro
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I didn't think it was perfect by any means, but I also enjoyed it for the most part. It was just the right movie, at the wrong time. Although, I do think some of those cameos at the end are a bit much.
March Climber
Member
Regarding the ‘flinch’ in the trailer, I always looked at Superman as someone who ‘depowers’ himself around people far beneath his level so that he can be affected by someone shoving him or throwing something at him.
I will always remember the classic episode of TAS where I first witnessed this, where Superman had to pretend to be Batman because Bruce Wayne was kidnapped.
Even in this combat situation, Bane should not have been able to sucker punch him and move him an inch, let alone a small distance into a column. He did though, and to me this was because Clark was ‘depowered’ at this moment. The same goes for when he first met Batman and Batman immediately took his arm and threw him over a table. In neither moment did he feel threatened enough to make himself immovable.
To me being depowered means that you can feel the hits enough to be affected by them, much like that time Goku was affected by a rock Krillin threw:
The main difference here being that a depowered Clark would never take actual damage but depowered Goku could, as shown in DBZ and twice in DB Super (both times being a bullet).
Out of the many Superman TV shows and movies, only in the Snyderverse did Clark feel like he was essentially Superman at all times, in stature and in readiness. Some, like myself, see that as a fault/mistake in the three movies he was in, others may see it as a good thing though.
I will always remember the classic episode of TAS where I first witnessed this, where Superman had to pretend to be Batman because Bruce Wayne was kidnapped.
Even in this combat situation, Bane should not have been able to sucker punch him and move him an inch, let alone a small distance into a column. He did though, and to me this was because Clark was ‘depowered’ at this moment. The same goes for when he first met Batman and Batman immediately took his arm and threw him over a table. In neither moment did he feel threatened enough to make himself immovable.
To me being depowered means that you can feel the hits enough to be affected by them, much like that time Goku was affected by a rock Krillin threw:
The main difference here being that a depowered Clark would never take actual damage but depowered Goku could, as shown in DBZ and twice in DB Super (both times being a bullet).
Out of the many Superman TV shows and movies, only in the Snyderverse did Clark feel like he was essentially Superman at all times, in stature and in readiness. Some, like myself, see that as a fault/mistake in the three movies he was in, others may see it as a good thing though.
Calico345
Gold Member
Christopher Reeve films and Man of Steel for me.
The only good part of 2006 or whatever was the opening sequence. Nothing interesting happened after that.
Justice League and Bats v Supes were meh.
This trailer looks...meh. Safe. Bright. In typical James Gunn fashion there is an ensemble, it seems. And I'm absolutely not at all into the main actor as Superman. As for Krypto, I'm not interested.
Cinematic capeshit is mostly dead to me. It had a great run but Disney fucked it up after Avengers, and DC has had a decent film here and there but never got it together. The rest is noise for the investors. I grew up on this stuff in the comics in the 80's, and the Avengers run is the best we're ever gonna see for cinematic superhero mythology.
The only good part of 2006 or whatever was the opening sequence. Nothing interesting happened after that.
Justice League and Bats v Supes were meh.
This trailer looks...meh. Safe. Bright. In typical James Gunn fashion there is an ensemble, it seems. And I'm absolutely not at all into the main actor as Superman. As for Krypto, I'm not interested.
Cinematic capeshit is mostly dead to me. It had a great run but Disney fucked it up after Avengers, and DC has had a decent film here and there but never got it together. The rest is noise for the investors. I grew up on this stuff in the comics in the 80's, and the Avengers run is the best we're ever gonna see for cinematic superhero mythology.
TrebleShot
Member
Think it looks sick and the original theme reimagined is super cool. Looking forward to seeing the full trailer.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
As I already explained to you, this was NEVER going to happen. It was just one idea thrown out there among many others but because you are stupid and a troll you continue to claim it as a truth. You can dislike the SnyderVerse without lying dude, grow the fuck up, it's living rent free in your mind even in 10 years your still gonna talk about it I swear.
Anyway, same energy:
That's just one random tweet, but if you want to talk about numbers...19 likes on a Snyderverse twitter account
I swear this movie better do a freakin BILLION because if not I'll be here to shove your face in your own shit.
Since when views on Youtube translate into ticket sales? You should look at the number made by the Joker 2 trailer as it did amazing and we all know how it ended
Oh and even more funny:
Ulysses 31
Member
It would just break even with a billion (maybe), it has a budget of 360M!
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Same energy, again
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Apparently this budget is fake, which I hope it is considering how ugly this looks.
Ulysses 31
Member
The 360M number includes promo and distribution costs, without those it's closer to 250M but it's all rumors so far.Same energy, again
Apparently this budget is fake, which I hope it is considering how ugly this looks.
Doom85
Member
As I already explained to you, this was NEVER going to happen. It was just one idea thrown out there among many others but because you are stupid and a troll you continue to claim it as a truth. You can dislike the SnyderVerse without lying dude, grow the fuck up, it's living rent free in your mind even in 10 years your still gonna talk about it I swear.
Anyway, same energy:
That's just one random tweet, but if you want to talk about numbers...
I swear this movie better do a freakin BILLION because if not I'll be here to shove your face in your own shit.
Since when views on Youtube translate into ticket sales? You should look at the number made by the Joker 2 trailer as it did amazing and we all know how it ended
Oh and even more funny:
You know what, you’re right. The Suicide Squad would have done far better if Bloodsport had decided to turn around and fight Starro because he discovered he and Sebastian have a mother with the same first name. I mean, he’d scream about it randomly like a lunatic for a few seconds and then join the battle.
Also, no one should have smiled during the film. We’re watching SERIOUS ART here, what’s with characters sometimes smiling? Completely doesn’t fit with how people act in reality.
Also, a starfish that is actually horrifying in how it controls people, but also has a sympathetic angle? That’s fucking stupid. The villain should have been Mark Zuckerberg on ten cups of coffee and sends senators a jar of piss, THAT’S the sort of villain a proper superhero movie should have, duh. Also, you’re right, why does Guy Gardener have the haircut he has in the comics? Who gives a fuck about the stupid comics, it’s not like they made these movies possible in the first place or something?! Nah, Batman casually manslaughtering a bunch of security guards just doing their job with his car, THAT’S the way Batman should be, not this “don’t kill your enemies, and especially not guards who likely don’t know how evil the guy they work for is” little bitch from the comics.
Also, Bloodsport having an abusive father? Ugh, no, he should have had a dad who seems all good and well-meaning, but then criticizes his son for not letting a bunch of children die horribly. And also lets himself die in a tornado even though his son could easily save him and no one would be able to see it happen it would be so fast, but you know, got to traumatize your own son sometimes!
Also, why does The Suicide Squad have zero cameos to set up other movies? And by cameos, I mean Bloodsport looking at security footage of a character in a convenience store. What, they should meet in person? Fuck no, a character looking at security footage of another character is WAY more exciting.
This dark and SUPER SERIOUS shit is where DC characters should be. Because as we all know, the New 52 era of DC comics, which focused on being serious, dark, and such, was a never ending success that continues to this day, as opposed to being a brief sales success that then proceeded to fall lower and lower in sales until 2016 DC Rebirth brought back the hopeful and bright feel of the universe and all the veteran DC readers returned and all was good once again.
We should all listen to KyoZz, people, after all, if you’re watching a DC superhero movie and not thinking, “this is good, but it would be even better with a ton of emo rock to really match the vibe of the film!”, can you honestly say you’re watching a DC superhero movie?
Hope? Comedy? Characters bonding? Ugh, that shit is for bigger wimps and lesser nerds.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Glad we finally understand each other
Tell that to this kid who enjoy MoS and is smiling during that first flight scene:
But yeah that 1 year old baby must be a psychopath right? How can he enjoy this Superman?
It's not because MoS didn't connect with you that it's a bad adaptation. Just not the one you wanted which is perfectly fine, there is no need to troll.
That is public knowledge but I'm gonna write it here just for you: every design doesn't translate well in live action. That's it. And yes he looks ridiculous, comics accurate or not.
That was the whole point of BvS? Batman was wrong and lost his way but thanks to Superman and his sacrifice he see the good in Humanity again.
Watch the movie again, it's clear that Pa' Kent is in the wrong by saying this, he just want to protect his son. Same for the tornado, he just don't want his son to expose himself yet. Clark is SAYING it ffs.
I'm gonna post what I said in another French forum (here, translate it yourself if you want) about that Clayface movie:
"It's typically for this kind of project (and Swamp Thing!) that I will always wish for the success of the DCU. This thing comes out of nowhere, there's apparently a good idea and I, who wanted something supernatural I'm happy with the approach."
So yes, I want the DCU to succeed. I don't like the approach for Superman but it will most likely open the doors for projects that I will find good/interesting. I'm a HUGE Snyder fan but I'm just as much of a DC fan.
Snyder's trilogy did not connect with you, it's fine. I personally LOVED those characters and their development and ZSJL is one of the best DC movie ever Imo.Hope? Comedy? Characters bonding? Ugh, that shit is for bigger wimps and lesser nerds.
I hope we can elevate the discussion a bit, we can talk of what we like and don't without acting like 12 years old.
Doom85
Member
-the point of sarcasm meets KyoZz:
-has to literally resort to a toddler reacting to a film to get an angle.
You can’t make this shit up, folks.
-Guy Gardener has ALWAYS looked ridiculous with the haircut in the comics. All the comic fans have known this all this time, try to keep up, sweetie.
And yet he hooked up with Ice a ton, so he must be doing something right.
-well, glad Batman realized his mistake. That will be of great comfort to the families and friends of those murdered or horribly wounded security guards.
Snyder’s Batman. Not the hero we deserve, but……actually not the hero we need right now either.
-“it’s clear that Pa Kent was in the wrong”
Oh yes, that’s the version of Pa Kent I want. One who dies due to a sudden case of Dumbass-itis.
Expose himself? I could have sworn Superman had super speed or something, guess I’m remembering the movie wrong.
-KyoZz claims to want the movie to succeed, also wants to laugh at people if it doesn’t.
-I flat out said in an earlier post I enjoyed MoS and think BvS is okay but very flawed. I own Snyder Cut JL on Blu-Ray but haven’t gotten around to it yet.
Also, I don’t know what that statistic about The Suicide Squad trailer is about. The highest viewed trailer of it on YouTube was at 19 million. The Superman teaser is at nearly double that on the main DC channel alone.
I don’t give a shit about acting like an adult around you if you flat out admit you’re going to laugh at us if the movie doesn’t do a specific number you decided on. I no longer give a shit about the Avatar films, but I’m not going to laugh at their fans if the third or fourth movie does poorly or something.
And this is despite some of those fans being the same people who wish the movies I enjoy stop being made.
ManaByte
Member
Another thing, this is going to be the first Superman movie where both Kents survive to Clark’s adulthood. You know, like in the COMICS.
Donner’s was a pre-Crisis adaptation, so Pa died. Then everyone after that thought that was the origin when both Kents have survived his origin for a LONG time in the comics.
Pa Kent isn’t Uncle Ben.
Doom85
Member
Well, personally, I don’t mind a Kent dying, it’s just MoS’ execution left plenty to be desired.
The show, Smallville, on the other hand:
Jonathan’s death hit so hard.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
I'm trying to have a discussion here but you continue to resort to bad faith.-the point of sarcasm meets KyoZz:
-has to literally resort to a toddler reacting to a film to get an angle.
How about those who dies in the animated adaptation or even in the comics? It's a STORY you know those aren't real people right? Funny how this is a concern only when it fir your narrative. There is plenty of people dying in 99% of any comics adaptation.You can’t make this shit up, folks.
-Guy Gardener has ALWAYS looked ridiculous with the haircut in the comics. All the comic fans have known this all this time, try to keep up, sweetie.
And yet he hooked up with Ice a ton, so he must be doing something right.
-well, glad Batman realized his mistake. That will be of great comfort to the families and friends of those murdered or horribly wounded security guards.
Pa Kent didn’t think his son was ready for the world to know and you never know how things can go. So yes he scarified himself. Now we can talk about the execution of the scene for sure.Snyder’s Batman. Not the hero we deserve, but……actually not the hero we need right now either.
-“it’s clear that Pa Kent was in the wrong”
Oh yes, that’s the version of Pa Kent I want. One who dies due to a sudden case of Dumbass-itis.
Expose himself? I could have sworn Superman had super speed or something, guess I’m remenbering the movie wrong.
-KyoZz claims to want the movie to succeed, also wants to laugh at people if it doesn’t.
Edit: Also I'm talking number because of how MoS did 670 million and was still called a failure by many. So yes if Superman 2025 is doing less than 670... what happen?
-I flat out said in an earlier post I enjoyed MoS and think BvS is okay but very flawed. I own Snyder Cut JL on Blu-Ray but haven’t gotten around to it yet.
Also, I don’t know what that statistic about The Suicide Squad trailer is about. The highest viewed trailer of it on YouTube was at 19 million. The Superman teaser is at nearly double that on the main DC channel alone.
I don’t give a shit about acting like an adult around you if you flat out admit you’re going to laugh at us if the movie doesn’t do a specific number you decided on.
Here's the thing I said earlier:
"Since it's the time for stupid posts, let me join in"Since it's the time for stupid posts, let me join in
"Since it's the time for stupid posts, let me join in"
"Since it's the time for stupid posts, let me join in"
I'm acting like Mana and other, and you are now included since you can't reply with a bit of maturity. Act like a kid get treated like one. Simple.
And I'll never wish for the DCU to fail. While Mana is obsessed with Snyder and can't miss an opportunity to shit on him, his daughter or his fans.I no longer give a shit about the Avatar films, but I’m not going to laugh at their fans if the third or fourth movie does poorly or something.
And this is despite some of those fans being the same people who wish the movies I enjoy stop being made.
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Revolutionary
Member
This dude really has a picture saved of a twitter trend from 4 years ago. Dear god man, get a grip and learn to let it go already.That's just one random tweet, but if you want to talk about numbers...
I couldn't possibly care less about how much money the movie makes for WB.
What matters is a quality movie about Superman.
ManaByte
Member
Reizo Ryuu
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Some of y'all are getting way too defensive about this movie
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