Don't phones quickly throttle the performance because of heat if you actually tried to push the hardware? I feel like that was a thing with those ports of console games.Well its not like nintendo is set up for high end graphics anyways.
Will be a big jump for nintendo games nut will struggle with third party AAA games.
My phone is more powerfull than this thing
I can't believe this is still an argument happening in gaming forums, after time and again being shown that power is irrelevant to 95% of people.
Alright, lets break it down. $600. Digital only. Play portable only in places with a strong internet connection PS5Did you forget the digital PS5 cost $399 and the PS Portal cost $199?
They're absolute delusional
Exactly
It's not bad at all, people just had big expectations, from who or where nobody know since Nintendo track record do not give any hint that she would launch a powerful console
I fear, we won't know the full specs until the console is available for teardown bloggers.
You are right,
I already am, on PS5.
It literally makes no sense to launch an Uber powerful console anymore. The games simply take too long to make, the budgets are astronomically high, you have companies laying off developers in the 1000s every year…. WTF do you people want? Do you want this industry to die? I almost choked on my drink the other day when I read Black Ops 6 cost almost $800 million to make or some ridiculous number. It is not sustainable, the graphics are not worth it, and the focus should be on the gameplay this power provides not how many pixels there are.
I play my Switch on a regular basis on my 4K 65 inch tv. I sit about 10 feet away cuz I have good vision. It looks fine, if I really feel Ike I want to see what the Switch is capable of, I go to my 49 inch 1080p TV and see it there. There is not a gigantic difference between the 2 displays. Which I also play the Series X and PS5 on, both displays sometimes depending on who’s doing what in the house. Course their games look better, but there are times for example. Playing DBZ Sparking Zero on the 1080p TV…. You really do not see a difference between generations.
I think we’re in for a wild ride when this gets unveiled and Nintendo shows the games it’s been working on for years. If you think about it, the switch 2 is the only old school console that devs could specifically code to the metal and not have to worry about any other console/pc ports in the future. Exclusives should look stunning with dlss docked.Imagine considering the 1.84 TFlops of PS4 with Tahiti GPU and Jaguar CPU as even being close to Ampere architecture with ARM A78
GCN was a fucking joke. Concurrently it was a shitshow and the cache management a fiasco. Nvidia's Kepler was beating the living shit out of AMD's solution just 2 months later with 56% smaller dies and much more power efficient. The whole RDNA project is to fix their fuckup, mainly with cache that needed a huge rework. For comparison Kepler had 1/3 the latency in local memory compared to Tahiti. These were not even doing FP32 or INT32 concurrently, something that oh, is so very much important in games. GCN could do an instruction every 4 cycles while Kepler was 1 instruction every cycle. GCN was a compute monster, it handled well large work sizes with long durations, but very few game workloads fall into this category. Simple geometry was not saturing the GP (idle), it had simultaneous bit commands that created huge buffers basically kneecappings parallelism. The larger GPU on PS4 also meant that the SE:CU ratio (shader engines vs compute units) would fill slower, prefering longer running waves which is again, anti-thesis to most gaming workloads.
Now we're still in 2012 architectures of Nvidia vs AMD. That's what's inside PS4.
A shitload happened between Kepler → Maxwell → Pascal → Volta → Turing → Ampere
Ampere was a paradigm shift for Nvidia, and no, not because of double Cuda core figure, although the problem is actually Turing's nomenclature of cuda cores compared to Pascal more than Ampere.
The paradigm shift is how efficient that architecture is with high occupancy.
The FP32/INT32 cuda core added to the one dedicated to FP32, is pretty much a Pascal core. Not exactly a slouch. It is there exactly for one purpose and it is to continue the trend of keeping the GPU at near full occupancy. There's less compute than shading in gaming, almost always. The extra FP32 after INT32 is done is to finish tasks ASAP. Something that AMD tried after with dual issue that required the compiler and failed miserably with RDNA 3. So even when you consider half the cuda cores somehow, that's not how games are. It is not a loss in occupancy, you're still getting that performance, just integer performance without the MASSIVE performance penalty that architectures pre-Turing had. Occupancy of a GPU is the main driver of modern days. Idle is not wanted. Like the asynchronous barrier of ampere, wtf is that? Well on RDNA 2 when you get a call that needs data written by the computer shader, the RDNA 2's synchronous barrier prevents it from executing until ALL the threads in the computer shader have finished executing. Making the WGP idle, not enough thread level parallelism left to hide latency, bye bye efficiency. RDNA 2 performs better than Ampere at low occupancy, but chokes at high ones. Don't even start to insert ML & RT in that poor fucking pipeline. Now imagine Tahiti efficiency
- Improvements in concurrent operations (concurrent raster/RT/ML, which Turing was not)
- Asynchronous barrier to keep execution units always near full occupancy
- Ampere global memory traffic for asynchronous memory copy and reducing memory traffic
- Also served to hide data copy latency
Then Switch 2's T239 (again, going off by 2022 rumours) vs PS4's baseline
PC portables are the exact best examples of inefficiencies. RDNA 2 is super sensitive to memory latency and LPDDR5 with no infinity cache in Van Gogh kneecaps what it could have been.
- A78 ARM CPUs. Completely destroys Jaguar cores
- 12 GB
- UFS 3.1 storage, a much more power efficient storage than SSD but similar speeds, ~2100MB/s read speed.
- New I/O from either Ampere or the rumoured decompression engine added in the chip.
- RT cores & ML tensor cores
Asus ROG Ally Z1 Extreme is supposed to be so much more powerful, raw specs in every ways are better for Z1 Extreme than Van Gogh. "up to 8.6 TFlops" RDNA 3 GPU.
Is it even close to a PS5? A Series S?
Everyone knows that answer. ROG Ally are on inefficient laptop trash. Not even close to customized for handheld. This fucking chipset is 25B transistors! At low TDP for handheld it completely chokes out.
And PC portables are bloated by windows OS or Proton layer.
This is the first time we'll see Ampere outside of windows OS with NVN API which is Nvidia's inhouse API close to the metal. Buckle the fuck up, regardless of TFlops.
I love my Switch but it really looks like shit on my 65 inch TV. Well Mario Kart looks acceptable since it at least runs in native 1080p but the UI, Zelda and many other games.. Jesus Christ what a jaggy, shimmering blur-fest.
I don’t know what TV you have, but I always make a point to try and buy TVs that old content still looks good on. If I play the Wii U on the 65 inch I can see some of the problems you mention, or if I sit too close to the TV while playing the Switch I can see that too. But the right settings and distance of seating can mitigate a lot of those issues.
My point is that Nintendo machines sell to play Nintendo games. No significant part of Nintendo's market will be weighing up a switch 2 Vs a Lenovo Legion. You can't be serious when you say that it represents any competition to Nintendo beyond a small niche of relatively hardcore gamers.
This
WrongYour $1200 phone will cry trying to run these at 4k
It's because I think Nintendo takes out a giant penis, slams it violently on the table and tells the factories "prepare for hell, I want 50 million pieces of this this and this". While Lenovo timidly asks for 50 pieces, saying "can I return them if I don't sell them?"
The Rog Ally is able to perform at PS4 levels with the same amount of bandwidth. And Ampere looks to be more bandwidth efficient than RDNA 2, given that the PC parts compete fine with no Infinity Cache. So PS4 performance in docked mode is perfectly achievable and not what Kepler was addressing in that tweet.
Believe me, it's not the TV
it's the Switch. I'm happy you don't have a problem with it but no TV in the world could fix the shimmering jaggy low resolution mess of an output that it has for many games, such as Zelda.
Taking marketshare doesn't mean outselling Switch 2.
They're not bad, but they far below what the Nintendo fanboys told themselves they would be is all.
No, since PS4 has AMD chips.
If the rumored specs are to be believed, it should beat a PS4 in docked mode. 102GB/s vs 176GB/s true, but the Switch architecture has much superior memory compression (due to DCC, but some other stuff as well), better cache hierarchy/throughput, and the lower clocked ARM CPUs will require a smaller slice of memory as well.
PSP had like 35% of the marketshare and Vita had like 17%. Nintendon't care about all the pleb handhelds fighting for 10%.
I think this is nothing but delusional. Handheld PCs and Switch caters to two completely different markets. I don't see anyone contemplating between the two, a person who want's a handheld PC never had the Switch in mind to begin with and vice versa, they're two different products.
But honestly, were talking an absolutely minuscule set of people.
