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[Grizzlyjin]

Octavia doesn't owe Skaikru shit. The only people that did anything for her are members of The 100. Beyond that, the adults only played nice because the kids knew the ground better. I don't think she has any emotional connection to being considered a part of the Ark. Those aren't her people.

That being said, I think she bit off more than she can chew. None of these clans have worked together well and now they're all going to be stuck in a bunker together. And now the people that actually know how to maintain the bunker are incredibly limited.

Clarke should've fought harder to keep the door closed. I get the impression that she's sorta just fed up having to be involved in these no-win scenarios.

 

[Joni]

Octavia doesn't owe Skaikru shit. The only people that did anything for her are members of The 100. Beyond that, the adults only played nice because the kids knew the ground better. I don't think she has any emotional connection to being considered a part of the Ark. Those aren't her people.

Of course. But she sure as hell pretends to be one of them when it suits her. Like when she is suggesting who should be on the list. I wonder how she would have reacted to a list that didn't include let's say Monty or even Clarke.

That being said, I think she bit off more than she can chew. None of these clans have worked together well and now they're all going to be stuck in a bunker together. And now the people that actually know how to maintain the bunker are incredibly limited.

No Raven is going to hurt them. No Monty either. You know they were on that list of 'essential' personnel and kids for their engineering skills. That was 20 people. Raven, Monty as engineers; Clarke, Mom and Jackson as Doctors; Bellamy as forced baggage, Marcus and Jaha as leaders; and an unknown number of kids. That leaves like 10 potential people that we don't know that could have good information.

Clarke should've fought harder to keep the door closed. I get the impression that she's sorta just fed up having to be involved in these no-win scenarios.

That is nice they went that way.

 

[kirblar]

I have to imagine the bunker drama for the finale is "We have 7 free spots. Can we re-open the doors to let 7 people back in safely?"

 

[Stallion Dan]

In one way Octavia is a traitor, for not at least saving her friends. They should have all been put on the stay list.

On the other hand a majority of these people voted for Pike and were fine with Lincoln being executed just for being a grounder despite the fact he betrayed his people to help Skaikru numerous times and even earned kill order from the commander on himself for it. Plus the slaughter of the grounders who were protecting Skaikru.

So I totally get her "Fuck these people" attitude. A lot of them are shitty people.

 

[Rumblebones]

Before her transformation into a warrior princess, Octavia was useless and weak. Who protected her? The 100. Who looked after her, shared their resources with her, befriended her, protected her? The 100.

Now she's got some scars and scary face paint and speaks a new language, suddenly she's okay with casting out all of the Arkadians? She's okay with casting out the people she survived with and their families?

Octavia is a traitor through and through, and any argument regarding Pike doesn't cut it.

Don't forget, when The 100 landed, they were getting picked off every couple of episodes. They were children, defenceless and ignorant, and the grounders didn't care and tried to wipe them out anyway.

When the rest of the Ark came down, the grounders killed, captured and enslaved them without little second thought.

The grounders are not, nor have they ever been innocent. They are savages. Some were above the mindless bloodshed, but most weren't. Blood must have blood, remember?

The Citizens of the Ark haven't been faultless, of course not, but they didn't start any conflicts. They didn't start the bloodshed. They never had any intention whatsoever of going to war with any of the clans. All they wanted was peace and survival and the grounders wouldn't give them either without a fight.

Fuck the grounders. Their children should be spared, of course, as many as the Arkadians could take, but the warriors are a pestilence by and large. Get rid.

 

[Elandyll]

Imo they should have arranged to fuck Azgeda up.

Azgeda invaded Polis, made a coup, and ultimately cheated during the conclave. That would have fred 100 spots for Skikru, as they will be the ones needed to run the shelter.

 

[The Illiterati]

Best thing about the episode?

Jasper died.

Worst thing about the episode?

Jasper didn't die in an extended sequence where he laughed about how the rain couldn't kill him when suddenly the acid began to melt the flesh from his bones as he ran screaming back towards safety crying and regretting that he was the stupidest person to ever live culminating in his bleached white skeleton collapsing just inside the safety of shelter, his ghost's screams still echoing as demons tear his translucent body to pieces in front of our eyes and drag his eternally living soul to a nether realm for torment.

 

[Funky Papa]

I'm way behind, but I finally got to watch Ep 8 (God Complex).

Clarke's mom needs to take a hike. Preferably under the rain.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

In one way Octavia is a traitor, for not at least saving her friends. They should have all been put on the stay list.

On the other hand a majority of these people voted for Pike and were fine with Lincoln being executed just for being a grounder despite the fact he betrayed his people to help Skaikru numerous times and even earned kill order from the commander on himself for it. Plus the slaughter of the grounders who were protecting Skaikru.

So I totally get her "Fuck these people" attitude. A lot of them are shitty people.

And a good chunk of those grounders are savages who brutally killed a lot of people including Pike's people (who they also tortured and kept as slaves). Being a bit shit is better than being blood thirsty animals who glorify murder.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

They are going to do a time skip for next season? Seems like it would make the most sense.

 

[george_us]

Before her transformation into a warrior princess, Octavia was useless and weak. Who protected her? The 100. Who looked after her, shared their resources with her, befriended her, protected her? The 100.

Now she's got some scars and scary face paint and speaks a new language, suddenly she's okay with casting out all of the Arkadians? She's okay with casting out the people she survived with and their families?

Octavia is a traitor through and through, and any argument regarding Pike doesn't cut it.

Don't forget, when The 100 landed, they were getting picked off every couple of episodes. They were children, defenceless and ignorant, and the grounders didn't care and tried to wipe them out anyway.

When the rest of the Ark came down, the grounders killed, captured and enslaved them without little second thought.

The grounders are not, nor have they ever been innocent. They are savages. Some were above the mindless bloodshed, but most weren't. Blood must have blood, remember?

The Citizens of the Ark haven't been faultless, of course not, but they didn't start any conflicts. They didn't start the bloodshed. They never had any intention whatsoever of going to war with any of the clans. All they wanted was peace and survival and the grounders wouldn't give them either without a fight.

Fuck the grounders. Their children should be spared, of course, as many as the Arkadians could take, but the warriors are a pestilence by and large. Get rid.

I hear everything you're saying but still, Octavia was forced by the Arkadians to live a sheltered life and was locked up for the crime of being born. Her mother was floated for having her. Octvaia doing what she did was probably just as much of a "Fuck you. How does it feel now?" as it was loyalty to the Grounders.

 

[sammex]

Worst thing about the last episodes has been Bellamy trying to take the moral high ground and lecturing Clarke on making tough decisions when he just straight up murdered people last season.

 

[Joni]

Worst thing about the last episodes has been Bellamy trying to take the moral high ground and lecturing Clarke on making tough decisions when he just straight up murdered people last season.

No worry, he did it again this season. Bellamy and Clarke mom directly caused 364 Arcadians to die with their actions. It is hopefully remembered by next season because the Arcadians should hate their guts.

 

[Stallion Dan]

And a good chunk of those grounders are savages who brutally killed a lot of people including Pike's people (who they also tortured and kept as slaves). Being a bit shit is better than being blood thirsty animals who glorify murder.

Everyone is shitty, so Skaikru deserve no extra spaces.

 

[jelly]

Yeah, there is no good group so equal does make fair sense but not from a group perspective obviously. Clarke's mum not wanting a space, okay, wait what, you didn't even argue she was a doctor.

Did Raven sort the fuel problem and the extra weight of 8 people?

Who is having a baby in space, Monty!

 

[sammex]

No worry, he did it again this season. Bellamy and Clarke mom directly caused 364 Arcadians to die with their actions. It is hopefully remembered by next season because the Arcadians should hate their guts.

Ironically to save some of the same people he slaughtered!


I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what happens with them going into space.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Did Raven sort the fuel problem and the extra weight of 8 people?

The problem was fuel for landing, and the attitude is just "Get to space, then solve problems". So got plenty.


I'm guessing we get a time jump of just shy of 5 years, we'll see some drama leading up to the bunker opening/return to Earth.

 

[Joni]

Yeah, there is no good group so equal does make fair sense but not from a group perspective obviously. Clarke's mum not wanting a space, okay, wait what, you didn't even argue she was a doctor.

She would probably argue that Jackson and Clarke would be enough, while she herself is dying anyway.

Who is having a baby in space, Monty!

Emory.

 

[TheNatureBoy]

They are going to do a time skip for next season? Seems like it would make the most sense.

Definitely seems like the likely outcome, although I do hope we get to witness some of their time in space together. I didn't see that solution coming, but I like the idea.

Things are really starting to get intense ahead of the season finale next week. Can't wait to see what note they end on and who will survive.

 

[Joni]

I'm expecting like a 4,5 year timejump so they live comfortably and start working on the descent. But I wonder. Could they bring back the scope of the show to just the space people? Write out everyone on the ground until the series/season finale by only showing them surviving in space.

 

[TheNatureBoy]

I'm expecting like a 4,5 year timejump so they live comfortably and start working on the descent. But I wonder. Could they bring back the scope of the show to just the space people? Write out everyone on the ground until the series/season finale by only showing them surviving in space.

I don't think they would do that, especially with major characters like Jaha, Abby, Marcus, Octavia still on the ground. I imagine it would be more like season 1 where we see both perspectives of the ground and space.

 

[Joni]

Let's be honest. Would it be such a loss to lose Abby and Kane? Octavia would be the only loss and she is quite annoying this year.

 

[eyeball_kid]

I'm expecting like a 4,5 year timejump so they live comfortably and start working on the descent. But I wonder. Could they bring back the scope of the show to just the space people? Write out everyone on the ground until the series/season finale by only showing them surviving in space.

Perhaps what they will do next season is:
1) ffwd 5 years, during which Raven and Monty find/make enough fuel to land the rocket capsule
2) they land in a new part of the world (realistically, new part of U.S.) due to some malfunction or lack of fuel, etc.
3) they meet a whole new set of grounders to flesh out the cast, all the bunker characters are off the show

I never want to see Jaha again, and Abby hasn't had any character development in a long time, but I would miss Kane. Octavia has turned into an ass this season, but I wonder if putting the spotlight on her was her last hurrah. I do get the sense that the space crew are the "chosen ones" for next season.

 

[kiguel182]

Yay for Jasper dying.

Almost everyone has done some pretty terrible shit so no one really deserves the bunker.

Bellamy being a hero after the shit with Pike is dumb. Clarke at least as a reason for doing dumb shit as she is young and put in an impossible situation. Bellamy has no excuse.

Octavia doesn't own Skaikru anything since these are the people that killed her boyfriend and have been assholes to the grounders (the people that took her in) since the beggining. If anything they are lucky they got a spot.

Again, goodbye Jasper and yay to the ending of this terrible storyline.

 

[Joni]

Octavia doesn't own Skaikru anything since these are the people that killed her boyfriend and have been assholes to the grounders (the people that took her in) since the beggining. If anything they are lucky they got a spot.

She was repping them. She could have easily represented Traikru instead if she wanted to kill Skaikru.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I like Abby and Kane, but I wouldn't miss them that much if the show re-focused back on the remaining members of The 100. A timeskip feels inevitable at this point. Just because I could see them writing the adults from the Ark out of the show, but not Octavia. I bet that bunker opens up and we discover that it was 5 years of hell *cue Arrow theme music*

 

[eyeball_kid]

I like Abby and Kane, but I wouldn't miss them that much if the show re-focused back on the remaining members of The 100. A timeskip feels inevitable at this point. Just because I could see them writing the adults from the Ark out of the show, but not Octavia. I bet that bunker opens up and we discover that it was 5 years of hell *cue Arrow theme music*

As an alternate to my next-season guess, maybe the bunker people do mostly live, and when they come out Octavia sees an Ark capsule re-entering the atmosphere and landing some ways away. So half of next season is Octavia and a few others on a mission to find the capsule.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Have they decided on a set amount of seasons or is it going year by year right now? I really like this show despite some flaws, but I can't get away from the world they built in it and want it to continue.

 

[Joni]

Have they decided on a set amount of seasons or is it going year by year right now? I really like this show despite some flaws, but I can't get away from the world they built in it and want it to continue.

If I'm going to guess this upcoming fifth season is the final season. Going into space to survive seems like a finish it up type move. The guy that runs The CW likes to finish shows, so if it is the last, they will have been warned.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Everyone is shitty, so Skaikru deserve no extra spaces.

They deserve extra space simply because they are the only ones that can run and maintain the facilities that keep them alive.

 

[Stallion Dan]

They deserve extra space simply because they are the only ones that can run and maintain the facilities that keep them alive.

Grounders are capable of learning. One managed instructions to nuke mount weather through sheer instruction and no demonstration.

 

[Joni]

Grounders are capable of learning. One managed instructions to nuke mount weather through sheer instruction and no demonstration.

Learn from who?

 

[Stallion Dan]

Learn from who?

The 20 or so essential Skaikru.

 

[Elandyll]

Imagine the Fuckery if next season, after a 5yr time jump, the space group led by Clarke finds a way back on Earth to discover that there was a leak in the bunker and everyone's dead.
The new season is about finding out if they truly are the last 7 or so humans on Earth...

 

[Joni]

The 20 or so essential Skaikru.

They will be in a big hurry to learn the people responsible for the deaths of their fellow clanmates. And even with those 20 they lose a lot of people. Because those 20 include Jaha, Kane, Abby, Clarke, Jackson, Raven, Monty, Bellamy and a host of kids. That doesn't leave lots of room for people from farm station who are used to indoor farming or engineers other than Monty and Raven who are now both absent.

 

[Stallion Dan]

They will be in a big hurry to learn the people responsible for the deaths of their fellow clanmates. And even with those 20 they lose a lot of people. Because those 20 include Jaha, Kane, Abby, Clarke, Jackson, Raven, Monty, Bellamy and a host of kids. That doesn't leave lots of room for people from farm station who are used to indoor farming or engineers other than Monty and Raven who are now both absent.

Those weren't in the 20. And the kids being in the 20 show how unimportant most of Skaikru really are to running things.

 

[Joni]

Those weren't in the 20. And the kids being in the 20 show how unimportant most of Skaikru really are to running things.

They make it clear they have 80 spots left. That means they at least include Bellamy as they couldn't take away his spot.
Abby, Clarke and Jackson are the medical personnel. It is why he could help in the draw. Abby was ready to give up her spot, so she was in there.
Raven was clearly on the list, Monty as well, which is why they let him come back. His GF was probably screwed.
Kane and Jaha were on the list, because otherwise they wouldn't have looked like that after determining the list.
The kids are on the list because nobody is going to kill kids like that, certainly not if you need civilization to survive.
It gives at least 9 people, as we really only see 1 kid. Could be more.

 

[Stallion Dan]

You're missing the point, 80 spots 'to whoever' means Skaikru are mostly unimportant to running the bunker and only basic skills would be needed, not specialist (like Abby), certainly don't need over 100 if 20 'essential' spots includes kids. The grounders can learn basic skills.

 

[Joni]

Or these 80 would all be knowledgeable about life on a ship.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Or these 80 would all be knowledgeable about life on a ship.

We saw life on the space station, most don't know shit.

If they were important or had useful knowledge, essential wouldn't be 20 people.

 

[jelly]

I hope the other clans start dressing down, take the gear off, go casual. It would be interesting to see them interact without battle gear.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Grounders are capable of learning. One managed instructions to nuke mount weather through sheer instruction and no demonstration.

Yeah, all the talk in the thread about grounders being "violent savages" who can't be trusted to operate within an orderly society or learn how to use tech makes me a bit uncomfortable, because the whole grounders vs. skaikru thing has always been a metaphor for native americans vs. European colonial expansion. People said the same thing about native americans back then, purely out of racism and ignorance.

I hope the other clans start dressing down, take the gear off, go casual. It would be interesting to see them interact without battle gear.

We saw that briefly last season when the grounders were in the computer city.

 

[DangerMouse]

Here we go!

 

[george_us]

Don't know if I can enjoy this.

Arrow got me too shook.

 

[Baroquemantic]

But of course.

 

[Jhoan]

I missed last week's episode but no surprises to see that another conflict arises before the climax and two characters get pep talks as leaders. What else is new?

 

[DangerMouse]

Good try Murphy.

Nice, Murphy told them not to leave him. Good stuff.



Oh, goddammit...

 

[george_us]

Echo putting on her "I'm gonna do something stupid" face paint.

 

[Baroquemantic]

Really? Hope she gets left.

Edit: not what I expected

 

[DangerMouse]

Don't waste your time Bellamy.

Edit: Okay, different than I expected.