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The Acolyte premieres June 4th on Disney+
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EMR
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nush
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Diversity sure make me excited, can't wait to see more Jewish, Muslim, Indian and Mexican representation in my movies.. any day now.
nkarafo
Member
I never understood this mentality.
It's similar to "it's cheap so i don't mind if it's average" or the even better "looks like shit, i will pirate it".
Like, WHY? Why do you have to consume it either way? You do know you have the option not to, right?
Somehow people have forgot their time is also a limited currency they have to spend for this shit.
The sad thing is that carefully pulling from those cultures DOES create very organic, coherent, authentic feeling, but also exotic and interesting alien societies. There is a reason why very little seems to resonate these days, it's because folks are ignorant of history and/or terrified of "cultural appropriation" so they are making stuff up wholesale and just aren't good at it and their personal biases shine through too strongly. Borrowing from other cultures is a far better base for innovation and imagination for most folks and it gives a feeling of age and off screen growth that is KEY for making a successful alien that can be pushed to the audience quickly.
Lucas did this with Phantom Menace and while you can yell at him for negative stereotypes, it certainly did frame the Trade Federation or that blue slave alien guy VERY quickly. Obviously it wasn't handled as well as it could have been but its a far cry better than the sloppy stuff we see today. Take Andor for example that weird mismash tribe on the Heist planet. Because they lacked any cohesive element or borrowed from too many nebulous sources, I never really connected with them or sympathized much with their plight. Had they been more alien looking or humans with a more unified appearance, I think they would have narratively worked far better. Same with the Harfoots in RoP. They never really gelled as a functioning society that had a worn, lived in vibe. They looked like a poorly costumed grab bag of actors compared to many of the other societies represented in the show and their "rituals" were ludicrous, they shoulda just lifted some stuff from real nomadic tribes.
Kacho
Gold Member
Dirk Benedict
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My expectations are so low, the devil uses them as a mattress.
near
Member
I've watched the trailer half a dozen times now, it gets worse each time I see it. I already knew how I'd feel seeing this based on that leaked trailer, not sure why I'm putting myself through this agony of convincing myself it will be good. There is no saving Star Wars now, it's as bad as The Matrix franchise. It was a good run. 
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I don’t ever have high expectations for Disney stuff, they make way too much content.
I still give stuff a shot, if it’s bad I won’t watch it. Don’t really give a shit about diversity either way.
I still give stuff a shot, if it’s bad I won’t watch it. Don’t really give a shit about diversity either way.
StueyDuck
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people always use to laugh at me in uni, lets be honest, there's alot of piracy going on at all campus' . Whenever i'd get invited somewhere to watch a movie at a girls dorm or a mates digs the second i saw it was a cam copy i'd just nope right out, like why the hell would i want to watch this new cool movie in the worst way possible, so i was the idiot on campus who'd rather go to the cinema then just download some shakey cam copy
Interfectum
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StueyDuck
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I did always wonder when somebody was going to do something about all the murders and killing of African people after they watch sci-fi. it did seem like a coincidence it was always happening and never totally didn't happen...
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I am an elite TV watcher. I used to be advanced but then I went to a whole new level. I wish y'all could see me watch TV
John Marston
GAF's very own treasure goblin
Star Wars now is like Jim Morrison never died and you saw him in Vegas, an old and fat lounge lizard singing "Light my Fire" while out of breath & shitting his pants.
No thank you I'm done.
No thank you I'm done.
nush
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ricardo_sousa11
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They shot this in my hometown.
thats the only reason i have any slight interest in watching
thats the only reason i have any slight interest in watching
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Jesus only just finding out about this show, saw the trailer... Went meh looks a bit shit, then started to read into it... Fucking hell, what is going on over at Disney, how in the holiest of fucks did they hand a Star wars show to Harvey Fucking Weinstein's personal "I had to have seen everything" assistant!?! Mindblown! WTF, cause she's lesbian she gets a fucking pass?? Why isn't every press rag/journo asking her about her role in letting that cunt rape and molest countless women and why in the fuck is she filling Star wars with LGTBBQ message shite, it's fucking star wars and where's the white dudes at lol... South Park so hit Kathleen Kennedy on the nail... Put a fucking chick in it and make her a lesbian... Goddamnit Disney
That's.....Rebel Moon, innit?
Maybe the R cut will have the intensity, violence, and titillation the fans crave.
I suspect we will see a more.....traditional Star Wars show in a year or so, they just gotta clear the pipeline of this other stuff first. I don't think Kennedy will continue to drive this "force is female" stuff much longer if it keeps failing (though by what metric is nebulous). Still, as a mech machine I think almost all of the new star wars stuff has been a TOTAL failure, just D+ viewership ain't enough. Baby Yoda was probably the last mech success they had and that was 2019!!!
So they are gonna have to start looking towards revenue generation soon, big Disney can't keep floating them as a D+ content producer alone.
ManaByte
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Skeleton Crew is later this year (Goonies Star Wars). Andor S2 is next year. Ahsoka S2 is after that. After that it's just movies since Rangers of the New Republic was cancelled.
What's the theme and tone of Skeleton Crew? We getting any more Bad Batch (I would classify that as a straight boys show)? Andor is fire and above critique so far. Ahsoka.....well, let's hope they can clean up the dialogue, improve the action, and get some GODDAMNED ENERGY in the show! Maybe Ezra will balance out the ladies, though he was pretty beta in S1.
Hopefully Obi-wan is dead, Fett is dead, Mando s4....eh, it's just a movie wrap-up? No Bo-katan, or will that get rolled into Ahsoka s2?
Seems ridiculous to me that the Rogue Squadron stuff is dead. That feels like as slam dunk a concept as possible. Whatever Jenkins pitched must have been just dog shit, or possibly she stood her ground and refused to warp it? Either way, it seemed like a fool proof project.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Is Skeleton Crew a movie or show?
ManaByte
Gold Member
Skeleton Crew is basically the Goonies with Jude Law on a ship set in the Mando time period.
The current season of Bad Batch is the final season.
Filoni said the only purpose of Ahsoka S1 was to get Ezra back to the main galaxy as he's needed for stuff coming (the Heir to the Empire movie).
Apparently there's no Mando S4 right now, it's just the movie, Ahsoka S2, and then the Heir to the Empire movie.
Rogue Squadron isn't dead. Jenkins just said she's been told to deliver another draft of the script.
Thats a pretty loaded analogy. I'm not sure anyone could even get REMOTELY close to the quality of that film now or have kids interact in such a fashion. We'll see.
ManaByte
Gold Member
It's not hard to do. JJ Abrams did it with Super 8 and even the last TMNT movie did it right. They key is that kids would talk over each other. Most movies with kids don't get that.
Billbofet
Member
These bot tweets are hilarious. What fucking person would ever talk like that, "Prepare for excitement!", "Get ready for adventure", "Join the frenzy" WTF?!?!?!
Like, I have been pumped on certain things for sure, but if I ever talked to someone like that, I would hope they would kick my ass.
Example: I am excited to watch the Roadhouse remake and will be getting together with friends this weekend to watch it as they are excited as well. If I texted them "Prepare for excitement" or "Get ready for adventure" I would be uninvited, and rightfully so.
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Damn, that's a keen insight. Now I gotta watch a bunch of kid films to see how true it is.
I forsee an entire episode on DEI lectures for our hero, he clearly is marginalizing differently abled species.Just saw this on r/saltierthancrait:
Billbofet
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"I see a room full of padawans...."Just saw this on r/saltierthancrait:
Tieno
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"teacher is doing this every time, god damn those eye-closers"Just saw this on r/saltierthancrait:
nush
Member
Damn speciesist teacher.
GymWolf
Member
Don't expect nowhere near the same quality of goonies, that was a one hit wonder, and i liked super8 well enough.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
And no one has even seen it yet.
Kacho
Gold Member
When a trailer meant to drum up excitement has the opposite effect, it might be time to do some soul searching. This is reminding me of Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League.
Some of this is that we have gotten SO MUCH Star Wars that just scenes of younglings, lightsabers turning on, and some force pushes is old hat now. So while this trailer would have broken the internet in like 2015 or something, at this point that stuff alone isn't gonna make a splash. Not to mention the (for me) VERY mixed results in Ahsoka, Fett, Mando S3, and especially Obi Wan give me pause. About the only Star Wars thing I'm 1000% behind at this point is Bad Batch, just give that team more resources and have them go off and do more stuff.
Lucasarts should be VERY worried about this. If the core audience reacts with this much cynicism it shows that they are in grave risk of losing the entire thing because I don't think this new stuff is hitting hard with them either. Not sure why LucasArts and Marvel, properties Disney bought SPECIFICALLY to broaden the Disney brand towards boys, have both made such heel turns to go after girls when there are so many other Disney properties to serve that market (and as far as I can tell they have done NOTHING to create a 'Princes' line or something like that to appeal to boys) but here we are. They have dug this grave for themselves and now have to lie in it. It's gonna be years and require an entire exec flush to right the ship for me. Put Faverau, a guy that knows how to craft a story, has a bit of a naughty frat side, but also knows balance and subtlety, in charge of Lucasarts.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
And I can predict it will suck by just looking at how most of the previous Star Wars projects turned out..
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
To be fair, a lot of people thought Andor would suck just by looking at it. It was one of the best audience reviewed shows from Lucasarts.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Yet that's one of the few Disney Star Wars shows/movies that hasn't sucked
I did say in my previous post that most of Disney Star Wars has sucked. I didn't say it's all terrible. And this seems like more of the same..
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DeafTourette
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Not only that I don't think Star Wars and MCU is as popular at schools anymore either. I remember Star Wars especially before Disney bought them being extremely popular with boys. Same with MCU, but that was Phase 1 - 3. From what I've been seeing it's not as much anymore
Anime and Manga has overtaken western entertainment in popularity in general when it comes to the young crowd
nush
Member
Just look at what brands kids have on their school backpacks. Paw patrol, Spiderman and Frozen maybe?
Billbofet
Member
Agree with this. My daughter is 16 and grew up on the MCU. She has lost any and all interest in it.
My son is 9, and he and all his friends have no interest in MCU and beyond zero interest in Star Wars. They will still see a Spiderman movie, but nothing SW - tv or movies.
I see a lot of interest in sports with younger kids, so maybe this tripe has moved them over to this. Who knows?
Kacho
Gold Member
My kids had one friend who was really into Star Wars a few years ago but he lost interest. Not sure why exactly but I thought it was interesting. Star Wars is definitely not popular with most kids.
I think Mando s1 was the last time we got a real injection of star wars fans. My kid and all his friends lived and breathed Mando. But as they went farther and farther away from him and baby Yoda and twisted the show into more girl centered stuff he lost interest. Boys just don't care about bo-katan or ahsoka and very few girls care about star wars AT ALL
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