The Americans are extremely duplicitous as KGB spies, but strive to be virtuous and honest as parents. How do you play with that idea on the show?
We are all spies in our own lives. We cannot present all that we are, and so what do we choose not to present? And can you do that and be a good person? We all lie and we all feel at times that we have to lie. No one out there is probably a KGB illegal living in Falls Church, Virginia, but everyone, I think, feels what those KGB illegals feel from time to time, that tension between deception and truth.
Has your understanding of how that dynamic plays out in our world deepened?
I don't think I've at any point thought, 'Wow, this is a good way to lie.' Because Philip and Elizabeth [Jennings] are very, very, very good liars. There is that episode that I wrote in season three about a certain search for what's real between Kimmy and Philip. It was sort of becoming a Lolita question. Philip is trying desperately hard not to have to sleep with this young girl his daughter's age to get the job done, and he starts thinking about the sex training they went through. He and Elizabeth talk about it in their way because they're not therapized people who talk in that language. Philip talks about how in some way you have to make it real, right, and then they are in their intimate coupling mode, and she says something like, "Do you have to make it real with me," and he says, "Sometimes. Not now." It just seemed to me that was a hard truth about marriage. There's got to be something real there, but in some way it can't be something real all the time. I guess that's the dark truth behind the Americans in a certain way.
Are they unique in their detachment?
Some part of them has to be turned off in order to do their jobs, but they believe in their jobs, and that belief is being tested all the time. They don't do this for fun. Some part of them might question, but you can't question too much or else you'll be paralyzed. There is psychological blowback for them in that, and that's a lot of what we're seeing as the series goes on.
Can you talk about the Americans' sense of place?
Their sense of place may be grounded in an almost mythical re-understanding or reimagining of Mother Russia. They haven't been there in a long time. They have this feeling that that's home and they keep having to digest the fact that it's not for Paige and Henry.
It seems like Philip is falling apart at the seams sometimes when wrestling with who he is, and it's amazing to watch.
Elizabeth is a believer and Philip is a searcher. Philip is in a situation where it might be better for him if he were a believer and not a searcher. Easier, certainly, but the search is really active in him. He's gone to EST for God's sake.