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The decline of women

What I wouldn't give to be in the prime of my life and have access to an app that will let me use the best software assisted photos of myself, self selected to portray me in the best light possible and allow me to approach more women in a night than I could stomach to be rejected by in my entire lifetime. And you still complain how hard it is to date in 2024? You know it's not like the traditional cold approach, joining clubs, work collagues, friends of friends, parties, bars, educational institutions way isn't available to you. You got so many ways to be rejected by women till you find one who will fuck you now.

Old man rant over.
Great post. Heimdall_Xtreme Heimdall_Xtreme , I hope you read this very carefully. This is the root cause of all the issues. Women are not to blame, this behaviour is taught.

You simply have to accept the fact that there are WAY to many dudes out there who will fuck anything in reach and also will tolerate any behaviour as long as the girl spreads her legs at the end of day. I will never forget the disbelieve of my ex when she offer me a quick bang after pissing me off the whole day. Like this will make everything "ok" again. How about no?

For large parts of my life I really thought this was just a cliche... and if you think so, it isn't. This is how if works. Girls learn that sooner or later and then just exploit it. You'd probably too if you were in their shoes. Every now and then a unicorn comes a long not tainted by this crap but good luck finding that.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Women became too masculine and men became feminine.

Dating suck

Agreed. Men are scared to approach women in person.

In my day I'd walk up to a women and just ask if they're up for a shag (DTF). Worked 63% of the time. If that didn't work then I'd normally rip off my shirt with one arm and just stare into their eyes. That always did the trick.

Men need to be more like that and stop using Tinder and other trash dating apps.
 

DAHGAMING

Member
There are some good woman still out there so dont give up my alpha mandem. Luckily my now wife come into my world and what an amazing woman and human she is.
There is a problem though, I mean theres plenty of cunt men out there but it does seem the last 5-10 yrs theres a real big increase in nasty ass woman out there for all different reasons, again a big blame is social media, especialy tiktok.
The thread reminds me of a few dates I jad before I met my missus, fuck me some wackos out there and horrible cunts.
1 of them, we was chatting online all that standard getting to know you bollocks, seems all good, agree to meet up, me being a gent or a mug ? Said Id go over her way so she dont have to travel, meet up in some bar for lunch. She let slip she has a kid, could tell by her face she didnt mean to tell me yet, after 2 weeks of chatting she obviously was keeping it quiet.
I said this to her and said im off, I got the old "I didnt think it would be a big deal" "your not man enough to be in a relationship" ect ect lol, what a waste of a day off. Couple months later (Oct 2018) met my now wife, moved to Scotland with her (not for her dont worry I aint no Simp shes from Germany herself), got a mortgage, 2 dogs and happy. Theres some gooduns out there, just dont waste time on them stank ass bitches out there, fuck um off out of it sharpish.
 
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nush

Member
I said this to her and said im off, I got the old "I didnt think it would be a big deal" "your not man enough to be in a relationship" ect ect lol, what a waste of a day off.

The one thing I personally learned and observed from other men is that single mothers will push HARD for you to have another kid with them. Way, way before a woman without kids you are dating ever would. "Let's have one of our own to bring the family together you are so great with my kid you'd be an amazing dad". That's a paraphrase that hits all the marks. They'll push that before even talking about marriage.
 

Woggleman

Member
I would deal with single on a case be case basis. There are some who are a walking red flag but there are also widows or women doing the best they can because the father walked away or he is an abuser. It depends. A friend of mine who is a single dad married a single mom and they are both some of the best people I know.
 
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Both genders have their own problems. At this point, I live and do things for myself and loved ones, and not because doing X or Y will get me a desired result in the future. Living like that is asking for disappointment.

I do empathize with your thought process, but expect a lot of push back from others.
 
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nush

Member
A woman friend of mine showed me hers... All the men were sending dick pics and generally making fools of themselves when she told them she wasn't interested... And even if she didn't say anything. Calling her everything but a child of God.

Bobs and vagine. It's true.
 
I was joking mostly. But if you think girls don’t like bad boys then you are mistaken.
Eh. I think it’s more they like guys who are confident and not uptight, fun. I think they might like it for a fling, just like dudes would bang a stripper, but for something more serious I generally don’t think it’s true, especially when you rise up the quality ladder for women who have a little more going on.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
And people wonder why men especially younger men refuse to date

One of the many reasons why this current situation has been really bad for men especially younger men

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise

There’s no shortage of loser guys out there who think they’re a great catch - but can’t figure out why women don’t want to date them.

The “Alpha males” as they like to call themselves lol
 

Myths

Member
Agreed. Men are scared to approach women in person.

In my day I'd walk up to a women and just ask if they're up for a shag (DTF). Worked 63% of the time. If that didn't work then I'd normally rip off my shirt with one arm and just stare into their eyes. That always did the trick.

Men need to be more like that and stop using Tinder and other trash dating apps.
Men aren’t scared to approach women. They just don’t care/aren’t paying attention, have nothing to prove — Or, here’s the kicker, they just don’t find them attractive. They’ll look most certainly, but that’s the most they seemingly give. Where a lot of people now are overwhelmed with work or academia, it’s often not the right place or time to do any of that there.

And actually, it seems more the case that women are relying on dating apps (where men abound and often message first virtually all the time) more since guys won’t approach as much (if at all) in real life. Ladies likely wouldn’t deign to be the one to initiate. There’s still too much of an entitlement and/or expectation that guys approach first by “tradition”, even though that wasn’t tradition.

Depending on what period of time, it’s either through the church or the father. If even more recent and secular, typically the old ‘drop the handkerchief’, ‘ask a dumb question’, or ‘walk with/sends her girlfriend over there.’

Then you factor in those online often represent a very insignificant and unusual portion of the population anyway… so I would agree: socialize and engage with people in real life as there’s much more to be expressed and grounded then.
 
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Oberstein

Member
As usual, it's all a matter of balance. There's bound to be some exaggeration in what the OP says. Now I'm old enough to have seen a mutation in society and women have aligned themselves with the debility and mediocrity of men, that's for sure.

Are all women horrible? Of course not. Now, on a personal level, I've met some women who are awful, like a friend's niece who went from being friendly to completely shitty in both behavior and manners. It's sad, it happens, and some of them are irredeemable.

On the other hand, it's true that male-female relations have deteriorated, thanks to social networks that have pushed all the world's stupidities onto the same level.
The best thing is to get out there, find common passions outside and above all (even if it hurts when you know them) distance yourself from crappy women (it works with men too).

We're not going to change what happens to relationships between men and women right away, but the best thing is to avoid falling into the prevailing state of mediocrity.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
Have you seen what passes for men these days? Men have declined. They have less test. They are less successful in their twenties than women. They are less likely to attend higher education. They aren't signing up for the military which would help them. They aren't learning trades like they used to.

Imporve yourself op. Workout. Have good hygiene. Dress decent and you'll be fine. There's plenty of fish in the sea.
 

John Bilbo

Member
There are different kinds of women with their different views on life.

You can try and find someone with a complimentary look on life.

Sometimes it's enough just to think of a somewhat casual activity you personally enjoy and ask someone to join you in the activity and try and get to know them. You can do this with both men and women it doesn't matter.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Men aren’t scared to approach women. They just don’t care/aren’t paying attention, have nothing to prove — Or, here’s the kicker, they just don’t find them attractive. They’ll look most certainly, but that’s the most they seemingly give. Where a lot of people now are overwhelmed with work or academia, it’s often not the right place or time to do any of that there.

And actually, it seems more the case that women are relying on dating apps (where men abound and often message first virtually all the time) more since guys won’t approach as much (if at all) in real life. Ladies likely wouldn’t deign to be the one to initiate. There’s still too much of an entitlement and/or expectation that guys approach first by “tradition”, even though that wasn’t tradition.

Depending on what period of time, it’s either through the church or the father. If even more recent and secular, typically the old ‘drop the handkerchief’, ‘ask a dumb question’, or ‘walk with/sends her girlfriend over there.’

Then you factor in those online often represent a very insignificant and unusual portion of the population anyway… so I would agree: socialize and engage with people in real life as there’s much more to be expressed and grounded then.

Disagree. A majority of the men today are soft.

I assume you're a man? If so a straight man?

If so, would you walk up to a women and just say "DTF"? No?

I rest my case.
 
Some women are nice and some aren't. Prophetic stuff. For all the guys who are bothered by women who don't seem to like you for what's on the inside, Most of us guys here are guilty of the same. The amount of girls who I didn't even look at twice when I was school were probably the nicest. I wonder how many incels would go with a girl who was really overweight and not pretty, but was the nicest person on Earth. I've seen it in person when I have tried to set up people with some of my wife's friends and some of these incels are just as vein.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I know what you mean. We had to... gasp... go up and talk to complete strangers if we wanted to hook up with a girl. I remember shaking in my fucking boots when I was a kid, and was into someone. But I did it. And sometimes it worked.
to be fair, as terrifying as it was, we didnt have to risk getting MeToo'd.

In my day, everywhere i worked, be it a grocery store or a bestbuy or even a corporate office, guys would ask out their coworkers. Cant do that anymore without the risk of getting fired or written up. I swear everyone was fucking everyone at Bestbuy. Also, at my first real job in a corporate office, like 1/3rd of the people were married.

I dont envy the younger generation. i read a study that 66% of young men 18-29 are single while only 33% of young women are single. That means a bunch of women are dating the same fuckboy thinking they are in relationships. I cant help but think its because of tinder and how those same 10/10 dudes are cleaning up without having to go to the bar and compete with others. A 5 out of 10 guy no matter how well dressed, confident and well off will never get that swipe based on his looks alone.

His only shot is to go out in public and shoot his shot at gyms, coffee shops, work but thats not socially acceptable this day and age. there was a meme on twitter that went viral this morning about two girls at a baseball stadium complaining about how they had been there the whole game and no one had come to talk to them let alone hit on them. probably made up by some incel but it lines up with the data. guys have stopped doing that out of fear of being labeled a creep. The worst she can say is no is now the worst she say is scream rape.
 
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Cyberpunkd

Member
A 5 out of 10 guy no matter how well dressed, confident and well off will never get that swipe based on his looks alone.
That guy will list good university (Tinder has that field), and good, high prospect high paying job and will be swimming in pussy like it's the Noah's flood. 30 years ago he would have been bullied by jocks at school. Why do you think Onlyfans exploded the way it did?
 
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SoloCamo

Member
Disagree. A majority of the men today are soft.

I assume you're a man? If so a straight man?

If so, would you walk up to a women and just say "DTF"? No?

I rest my case.

I was staying out of this thread as I've been with the same woman for over 15 years now but what you say has nothing to do with being soft. Some of us have standards that we hold ourselves to, let alone standards for those we are looking to spend life with. Any girl who is DTF right off the bat like that is not someone I want to be with, sorry.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
That guy will list good university (Tinder has that field), and good, high prospect high paying job and will be swimming in pussy like it's the Noah's flood. 30 years ago he would have been bullied by jocks at school. Why do you think Onlyfans exploded the way it did?
I think onlyfans exploded because those guys with nice jobs have money to waste on sluts on onlyfans. if they were going out on regular dates, they would not have that money.

i read somewhere that women only swipe right 30% of the time. they are ignoring 70% of the men out there on tinder. clearly very few are looking at the university field.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
There are so many young women "studying" in luxury hotel bars in Poland late into the night (they are really committed!), I'm sure it's the same elsewhere in the world.
At that point, it becomes a sugar daddy thing which can be expensive and you might as well go to seeking.com searching for these hookers disguised as dates instead of tinder or okcupid. only problem is that young men dont have that kind of cash so they are now losing to these older men in their 40s and 50s who can afford to buy these bitches expensive gifts in exchange for sex.

I think on apps in general, attractiveness is the major component. Everything else is extra.



I dont know. I think the numbers dont lie. if 2/3rds of the men arent getting laid, its not just a soft men problem. Society has always had tough love for men, man up and get out there, and honestly, thats what i will teach my son. But clearly things have stagnated. just ten years ago, we saw men in japan give up on sex and we all made fun of them. we are not quite there yet but getting there. im hoping things self correct and women and men go back out there and meet people in real life like they used to instead of getting used and dumped by the same 3 dudes fucking half the chicks in town.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Yeah but would you go up to a woman, whack her over the head and drag her away to use?

No?

I rest my case.

I was staying out of this thread as I've been with the same woman for over 15 years now but what you say has nothing to do with being soft. Some of us have standards that we hold ourselves to, let alone standards for those we are looking to spend life with. Any girl who is DTF right off the bat like that is not someone I want to be with, sorry.

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Guys, relax. I wasn't being serious. I thought that would have been very obvious.

Come on fellas. Do you really a man would walk up to a woman, say nothing and then just rip off their shirt with one arm?

Do you really think the best way to get long term partner is getting with a woman who'd be buried in a Y shaped coffin?

I was taking the piss. I've been married for 15 years and ate my wife's ass out on the first date. It's all good.
 

Myths

Member
Disagree. A majority of the men today are soft.

I assume you're a man? If so a straight man?

If so, would you walk up to a women and just say "DTF"? No?

I rest my case.
Not even sure what you mean by soft. I also don’t know what case you thought you rested by positing that absurd example — but it underscores a more laughable problem that the outcome is supposed to be just that.
 

Trunx81

Gold Member
Jacking off to porn interferes with real life relationships. Porn is safe, always available, never says no, and never calls you a freak.

Stop jacking off to porn and let your hormones push you towards a real person.
It also teaches the wrong technique. If women wanted a permanent sledgehammer, they would just buy one.
 
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