KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Yeah that's not what I'm talking about. Search for Jimmy Urine, Huston Huddleston and James Gunn then forge your own opinion. As I said, some weird stuff.
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The Flash reviews are in
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Doom85
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Hmm, a lawsuit, filed over two years ago, no updates since. Seems flimsy.
EverydayBeast
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SupeDidn’t want to see it but I had the ticket, super girl made things happen sure but you go back and it would be 15% better with Superman. Flash saving people made things unsafe, they have to change his mentality. I could see a mature flash, changing his annoying dialogue. But there’s so much to talk about the flash 2023 just my opinion.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
One has an ongoing case, and the other has already been condemned for possession of child pornography and other crimes. Both are friends of Gunn who hosted a pedo themed party.
And yeah, Gunn's jokes were bad, not "funnily bad" but "cringe and who tf think about that" bad imo.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Seeing it again now!
Doom85
Member
The ongoing case is a bit hard to follow. Seems another case connected to the accuser was dismissed, but the one aimed at the singer guy is still ongoing. Maybe? Sorry, I honestly had never heard of this band and individual prior so it’s a bit hard to follow the names. I mean, the people on the subreddit dedicated to the band dont seem sure if the case is ongoing or not.
Regardless, Gunn is not being actively accused of anything, so I don’t see why we need to bring this up. Lots of people did edgy stuff when they were younger, just because one crossed the line doesn‘t mean automatically everyone there should be looked at funny. If I ran a serial killer themed party where everyone dressed as historical/real life serial killers or victims, but then years later it came out that one of my friends who attended was actually a serial killer, well I’d be annoyed if people started looking at me sideways even years later for it. Yes, it’s one hell of an unfortunate coincidence, but that’s it. It’s not even worthy of being called circumstantial evidence because I wouldn’t even be being accused of anything.
It’s obvious Gunn has long left this edgy attitude behind, and he apologized for this behavior long before people started to resurface it. I see no evidence provided that anyone underage was at the party, or that the accuser was at the party as her accusations seem to be purely at the singer and does not mention the party. While I would say this sort of party does go further than what I’m about to use as an example, but it’s worth mentioning tons of couples do the whole “teacher/schoolgirl” roleplay, sometimes with the woman actually wearing a school uniform, but obviously that doesn’t necessarily mean the guy is secretly wanting to sleep with an actual high school girl. It’s the thrill of doing something that has the feel of taboo, but most people also have no desire to do the actual immoral act as that would involve hurting an innocent person. It’s the same difference between most people loving just running down countless people with a car in a GTA game versus the one guy who actually does want to commit real manslaughter.
Sorry if I sound on edge, I just don’t think it was appropriate to dig this shit up again on Gunn. If the singer is guilty, okay, fuck him and toss him in jail, but zero accusations are aimed at Gunn and it would be generous to say the party is even mildly relevant to the case. Could someone else later accuse Gunn of rape, etc.? Sure, but that could happen to ANYONE. It can be frustrating to admit, but Robert De Niro was right in Meet the Parents when he said you can never truly know anyone fully. My closest friend could be going out at night and breaking and entering, I’d have no fucking idea. Psychopaths tend to be good at hiding who they truly are. Hell, Gunn being the host would arguably suggest he’s less likely to do it for real, criminals tend to not publicly do shit that has any correlation to their actual crimes. They’re not going around cackling wickedly and making suggestive comments hinting at their true nature. It’s a frightening yet genuine moment in the movie Zodiac when the detective finds two boys who saw who was likely the Zodiac killer walking by, and when asked what he looked like:
”Normal.”
Detective: “What do you mean?”
”He looked normal.”
ManaByte
Banned
Oh I think you know very well why certain people are bringing it up.
ManaByte
Banned
Inside ‘The Flash’ Ending and That Cameo Secretly Filmed Six Months Ago
The DC film had three separate endings, each overseen by different Warner Bros. regimes, spanning Walter Hamada to James Gunn and Peter Safran.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
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Ulysses 31
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
No problem, you make some fair point and I agree. I just like to trigger Manabyte because of all the bullshit he post but then you wanted to know more so one thing from another and here we are ^^
Yet, a pedo party? Maybe it's me but I fail to see the fun in asking girls to dress like children, suck their thumbs and other weird stuff. But to each their own and everyone can think what they want with the elements at their disposal.
SirKicksalot
Member
I also like his style but I bet the wide lenses will be gone and the framing will be more orthodox. They're directly responsible for some of the bad reception.
It's like when tons of money and research was spent on Speed Racer's "infinite focus" and people simply didn't get it.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Inside ‘The Flash’ Ending and That Cameo Secretly Filmed Six Months Ago
The DC film had three separate endings, each overseen by different Warner Bros. regimes, spanning Walter Hamada to James Gunn and Peter Safran.
Most of the conversation Clooney shared with Miller was warning him not to go near his kids.
SirKicksalot
Member
I understand that the ending was always meant to be a Planet of the Apes rug pull but I don't understand how it worked in the originals.
First ending is hey, these people you grew to like over 90 minutes are actually safe!
Second ending is that and a cherry on top.
Only the third ending is surprising.
Everyone knows something bad is about to happen because he moved the cans. Then Clooney shows up and it's simultaneously hilarious and a complete catastrophe for Barry. That followed by the tooth gag are a perfect ending.
First ending is hey, these people you grew to like over 90 minutes are actually safe!
Second ending is that and a cherry on top.
Only the third ending is surprising.
Everyone knows something bad is about to happen because he moved the cans. Then Clooney shows up and it's simultaneously hilarious and a complete catastrophe for Barry. That followed by the tooth gag are a perfect ending.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Even better the second time seeing it!
I'm hella hungry tho!
I'm hella hungry tho!
ManaByte
Banned
The original ending setup the rebooted universe where Keaton acted like Nick Fury and assembled the new Justice League. He was in Batgirl and Aquaman 2. Would’ve had the Kingdom Come Batman armor in Crisis.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Hayabusa83
Banned
Shame we never got the Affleck Batman movie with Deathstroke in it. I was pumped about that. I loved the art direction of the snyder films.
Hayabusa83
Banned
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I liked it quite a bit, a very nice love letter to 40 years of DC films (and some earlier TV shows). Narratively it's a mess, but then nearly every time travel/alt reality film is. The direction is nice and the action is easily followed, so the director is definitely one to keep. The whole CG in speed force things is, within the film and in motion, not nearly as bad as the stills suggest, and for babies in mortal danger, probably a necessity.
Gal Gadot is definitely best used as a heroic rescue cameo. Her smug smile schtick is basically just that.
Nice Bats fisticuffs action as well.
Supergirl was aight, though I'm still not sure why Zod is so damned tough. They really got to limit the number of "greasy dark hair in face" actors talking to each other though, get Flash, Supergirl, Gal, and Aquaman in a scene and you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart aside from Gal using shampoo. Speaking of Aquaman, anyone else feel like
This film really suffered for that year delay. Spiderverse follows it almost beat for beat WRT focal points, the heroes tragic journey as a defining moment, the futility of trying to change the past, and endless nostalgia/meme callbacks.
Gal Gadot is definitely best used as a heroic rescue cameo. Her smug smile schtick is basically just that.
Nice Bats fisticuffs action as well.
Supergirl was aight, though I'm still not sure why Zod is so damned tough. They really got to limit the number of "greasy dark hair in face" actors talking to each other though, get Flash, Supergirl, Gal, and Aquaman in a scene and you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart aside from Gal using shampoo. Speaking of Aquaman, anyone else feel like
Mamoa's voice was dubbed in the post credit scene or is that what he sounds like when not playing gruff voiced characters?
This film really suffered for that year delay. Spiderverse follows it almost beat for beat WRT focal points, the heroes tragic journey as a defining moment, the futility of trying to change the past, and endless nostalgia/meme callbacks.
SirKicksalot
Member
I wonder how many people only know this version of the character:
Who would watch a movie about this guy?...
Who would watch a movie about this guy?...
No kidding.I wonder how many people only know this version of the character:
Who would watch a movie about this guy?...
Personally, they had the PERFECT chance, at the end, to cast
Grant Gustin coming put of the speed force, racing to see Ron Livingston get pardoned, the waaaaaaaay better show Iris as his girl, and the falling tooth to tie it all together for the slow thinkers in the audience. Just cut Ezra out so we can have a flash going forward
HoodWinked
Member
It couldn't work with Superman.SupeDidn’t want to see it but I had the ticket, super girl made things happen sure but you go back and it would be 15% better with Superman. Flash saving people made things unsafe, they have to change his mentality. I could see a mature flash, changing his annoying dialogue. But there’s so much to talk about the flash 2023 just my opinion.
The setup is so that there is no way for Supergirl + Batman + 2 Flashes to beat Zod. That was the point. If it was Clark Zod would have lost.
Doom85
Member
Only due to regular Barry never jumping in to help against Zod specifically ironically enough. Kara had too little to absorb sunlight to build up her strength fully, young Barry was still getting the hang of things, and Batman without Kryptonite isn’t doing shit to Zod.
Clark beat Zod due to having absorbed sunlight his whole life plus being used to most of his powers by the time Zod arrived. A Zod who stayed on Earth longer would have likely beaten Clark; Faora and others potentially as well since they’re all seasoned warriors, but they never got the chance as Zod was killed and the others banished to the Phantom Zone.
Regular Barry, who has far better control of the Speed Force, could definitely beat Zod (at least a newly arrived one) who is already having his hands full with Kara and other Barry. Hell, Kara does defeat Zod in the first fight, only ultimately losing due to her not killing him as soon as he was down. It was fate itself protecting Zod, hell younger Barry would be getting more used to his powers every time he went back, but circumstances would always play out where Zod wins even when he should probably lose. Notice fate does not extend the same courtesy to Faora, as young Barry is able to kill her at least once.
So yes, there is definitely a way for the four of them to defeat Zod under normal circumstances, it just couldn’t happen here as the universe Barry created was destined to have Zod win.
Clark beat Zod due to having absorbed sunlight his whole life plus being used to most of his powers by the time Zod arrived. A Zod who stayed on Earth longer would have likely beaten Clark; Faora and others potentially as well since they’re all seasoned warriors, but they never got the chance as Zod was killed and the others banished to the Phantom Zone.
Regular Barry, who has far better control of the Speed Force, could definitely beat Zod (at least a newly arrived one) who is already having his hands full with Kara and other Barry. Hell, Kara does defeat Zod in the first fight, only ultimately losing due to her not killing him as soon as he was down. It was fate itself protecting Zod, hell younger Barry would be getting more used to his powers every time he went back, but circumstances would always play out where Zod wins even when he should probably lose. Notice fate does not extend the same courtesy to Faora, as young Barry is able to kill her at least once.
So yes, there is definitely a way for the four of them to defeat Zod under normal circumstances, it just couldn’t happen here as the universe Barry created was destined to have Zod win.
Badlucktroll
Member
James Gunn can be a troll i think, and
I think Clooney was set up as being the Brave and Bold Batman
I agree with your analysis, the one flaw being...
Young Barry spends a LIFETIME trying to win that fight. So it isn't weak Kara, novice Barry, and irregular Barry (and some humans) in that fight bs Zpd, it's MONSTER BARRY, with a thousands attempts, as well. So "the fates" decried they would never win, not just a lack of skill.
I really felt like they wanted to say "god" so much in this film, but after the Snyder hamfisted analogy in Man of Steel, they were gunshy. Even though "gods" are all over the shazam/wonder woman/black Adam films, the "big G" is still a bitter pill for hollywood.
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skneogaf
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Just finished watching it, I enjoyed the movie and the many call backs.
Ezra Millers goofy run has never quite worked and the decision to have the special effects the way they are in the movie is the wrong choice. I read it was actual directors choice too which I believe as some parts of slow mo were good but the rest ps3 graphics at best.
I'm a big fan of zack snyder and still believe he should have been allowed to finish what he started then this movie be made to restart everything but it was somewhat satisfying end to the snyder verse.
7.5/10
Ezra Millers goofy run has never quite worked and the decision to have the special effects the way they are in the movie is the wrong choice. I read it was actual directors choice too which I believe as some parts of slow mo were good but the rest ps3 graphics at best.
I'm a big fan of zack snyder and still believe he should have been allowed to finish what he started then this movie be made to restart everything but it was somewhat satisfying end to the snyder verse.
7.5/10
Peggies
Gold Member
Just watched it and really enjoyed it. Very popcorn movie'ish.
Supergirl was not obnoxious which was surprising to me.
And I can't help it but I like Ezra. Liked him since "We need to talk about Kevin" and I'm just not outraged by the stuff he's doing. I hope the'll keep him as "The Flash".
Supergirl was not obnoxious which was surprising to me.
And I can't help it but I like Ezra. Liked him since "We need to talk about Kevin" and I'm just not outraged by the stuff he's doing. I hope the'll keep him as "The Flash".
kruis
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The Flash made 55 million dollars this weekend and is already deemed an expensive box office flop. The good news for WB is that Disney/Pixar's Elemental is an even bigger box office disaster.
variety.com
‘The Flash’ Disappoints With $55 Million Debut, Pixar’s ‘Elemental’ Flops With $29.5 Million in Battle of Box Office Lightweights
Ezra Miller's "The Flash" and Pixar's "Elemental" were disappointments in their respective box office debuts.
variety.com
FunkMiller
Gold Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I checked Thenumbers.com and it's true. Both movies also launched with around the same number of domestic theatres at 4,000 and the avg $ per theatre were each about $13,000.
The key will be how Flash does in future weeks and international. Green Lantern dropped 66% in week two which is hard. It ended up at a bit more than $100M domestically and overseas also did the same. Ended up at $220M total.
Wiki says the budget for the movie was $200-220M. It doesn't say if marketing costs are on top of it or not. If marketing is excluded, the total budget is going to be $300M+. To breakeven this movie will have to make a ton more than Green Lantern kind of receipts if that trend holds true for this movie.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Oh, the drop next week is going to be horrible. I’d say comfortably 65% to 70%.
Flash will struggle to earn 300 million by the time it’s done, leaving WB at least 100 million in debt, given how expensive the film was to make and market.
Hayabusa83
Banned
I am just not a fan of James Gunn. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy and Peacemaker, but I find his stuff to be overly campy. Almost Watiti like. What made the original Christoper Reeve films so good was they balanced humor and seriousness.
Overall though, I feel the industry should move away from comic book films, they ruined it themselves by not committing to a clearly defined path. What if Gunn's films bomb, which is a real possibility, will the timeline be reset again? These film heads have no commitment to their product, so why should the consumer?
Overall though, I feel the industry should move away from comic book films, they ruined it themselves by not committing to a clearly defined path. What if Gunn's films bomb, which is a real possibility, will the timeline be reset again? These film heads have no commitment to their product, so why should the consumer?
BadBurger
Banned
Fucking DC/WB. For about a decade they kept relying upon creatively bankrupt people like Snyder and Geoff Johns to make shitty comic book movies and horrific TV shows, now they're finally hiring Marvel's comedy guy to emulate Marvel movies just as they're going out of fashion.
Maybe Gunn can glue together a profitable future for DC that rightfully focuses on Batman and Superman, but I doubt it given that planned lineup. These motherfuckas need to go back to formula.
Maybe Gunn can glue together a profitable future for DC that rightfully focuses on Batman and Superman, but I doubt it given that planned lineup. These motherfuckas need to go back to formula.
This makes me sad. I've actually enjoyed damn near every DC film outside WW84 and the last couple with SS2/shazam/BA/Flash (I put Batman and Joker on their own, BoP we'll just forget about) had a bit of momentum I liked. But their total disregard for Superman really pisses me off because I loved Cavill in the role.
My son is pretty psyched for Blue Beetle. I've not seen much about AM2 but I liked the first one enough to want to see the sequel. Give me my sexy hot Zatanna/Constantine/Etrigan flick already! DC has two GREAT horror directors in their stable (three if you count Gunns efforts with Slither, FOUR if you throw in Sandberg), GET ON IT DAMMIT!!!!
My son is pretty psyched for Blue Beetle. I've not seen much about AM2 but I liked the first one enough to want to see the sequel. Give me my sexy hot Zatanna/Constantine/Etrigan flick already! DC has two GREAT horror directors in their stable (three if you count Gunns efforts with Slither, FOUR if you throw in Sandberg), GET ON IT DAMMIT!!!!
Toons
Member
I gave it a watch.
Wasn't bad at all. Id say these are the DC movies we should've been getting. Up there with aquman
It isn't great or earth shattering but its got a surprising amount of heart and I actually thought Miller did a decent job so its a shame they decided to go nuts.
The action was pretty awesome and the humor wasn't bad either. Meh.
Wasn't bad at all. Id say these are the DC movies we should've been getting. Up there with aquman
It isn't great or earth shattering but its got a surprising amount of heart and I actually thought Miller did a decent job so its a shame they decided to go nuts.
The action was pretty awesome and the humor wasn't bad either. Meh.
Pagusas
Elden Member
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Anyone else love the fact that of all the Batman universes, it was Keaton’s Batman who saved Gotham and retired peacefully? I also love we got to see super smart Bruce + peak human fighter Batman. Keaton Batman = most powerful Batman.
Though I do have to ask, if fate is what is keeping the Flashes from winning, does that mean Keatons Batman’s world always ends here, with the coming of Zod. Kinda a somber thought, all that work and success ended by an alien invasion. Or does Young Barry’s sacrifice reset things and Keaton’s Batman can continue on in peace?
Though I do have to ask, if fate is what is keeping the Flashes from winning, does that mean Keatons Batman’s world always ends here, with the coming of Zod. Kinda a somber thought, all that work and success ended by an alien invasion. Or does Young Barry’s sacrifice reset things and Keaton’s Batman can continue on in peace?
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Hawking Radiation
Member
I enjoyed it. The movie is ok, not great, not excellet just ok.
The last remnents of the Snyderverse are now gone and that makes me sad but now waiting for the Gunn universe.
Though James Gunn saying The Flash is the best movie he's ever seen fills me with a sense of dread. Like WTF man.
The last remnents of the Snyderverse are now gone and that makes me sad but now waiting for the Gunn universe.
Though James Gunn saying The Flash is the best movie he's ever seen fills me with a sense of dread. Like WTF man.
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TransTrender
Gold Member
Won't watch it but this clickbait was useless without pics.You guys understand nothing, those poor VFX are a design choice
The Flash's Visual Effects Are Meant to Look Like That
Director Andy Muschietti told io9 why the DC Universe film can, at times, look a little weird.gizmodo.com
I need to see how weird things got.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
The movie is in theaters right now, so obviously you won't be getting any leaked footage of those ugly FX until the Blu Ray is out.
I posted some earlier that should still be there if you want, or look on Twitter.
Example:
Nicolas Cage: cameo as Superman (DeepFake)
But please respect the artistic vision.
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TransTrender
Gold Member
Oof
I was thinking something like Salvador Dali or mid movement Simpson's animation frames, but this is just bad.
I was thinking something like Salvador Dali or mid movement Simpson's animation frames, but this is just bad.
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ManaByte
Banned
They don’t hate Cavill. It’s his (and The Rock’s) manager that WB can’t deal with. And after what she and The Rock pulled with Black Adam (going over people’s heads) you’ll probably never see any of them on the WB lot again.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Yup. Cavill has fired Garcia now - but never should have left UA to go with her in the first place. That's the big career mistake he made. He was warned. Repeatedly...
AfricanKing
Member
Dont think I can ever take this guys reviews seriously after this Across the Spiververse one
Jinzo Prime
Member
The Flash is bombing badly, WB would be lucky to work with either one of them again.
Razvedka
Banned
I disagree with this (and concur with the poster you're quoting). Captain Marvel was 'too much' for me in the MCU, as an obviously broken OP character that couldn't be defeated. She removed what little 'grounding' the MCU had, and it was clear that multiple directors had no idea what to do with her. In Endgame they had to find a reason for her to not be around and just 'win', and even Thanos souped up with the gauntlet struggled with her. Superman-like characters absolutely break these kinds of live action 'universe' series. DC could pull it off in cartoons because of the added layer of non-realism; it was easier to suspend disbelief.
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