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The Flash S3 |OT| It was me, Barry.
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They have to be doppelgangers, which makes Barry's last comment even more awkward.
velociraptor
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Just reading some of the comments in this thread. You guys really hated this season that bad huh?
Sure, it was no S1 (or even S2 which I enjoyed more), but it was still a somewhat enjoyable watch. The last couple of episodes have been somewhat exciting at the very least, despite the story being some of what a clusterfuck.
Sure, it was no S1 (or even S2 which I enjoyed more), but it was still a somewhat enjoyable watch. The last couple of episodes have been somewhat exciting at the very least, despite the story being some of what a clusterfuck.
BLOODED_hands
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I didn't hate it. I was, more or less or more more, disappointed how it all turned out. There was alot of potential for the season to be decent and not so.... Confuzzling. Wasted the Flashpoint storyline. Wasted the Savitar storyline. Barely any character development. No advances in powers for the main character and that's really odd for me. Forced drama that's even too much by CW standards. Wasted Rogues and appearances.
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The ending really told me how fast our Barry is and he.... isn't.... as fast as we think he is. It sucks that Barry has literally peaked in terms of speed. The Speed Force has told us directly that he's peaked and his race is done. His power levels will still be inconsistent but it's just frustrating me that he has reached his peak at whatever speeds the show has and will reveal to us. Which.... Reminds me that they don't adhere to their own rules.
It's because Savitar was just a terrible villain, he was elusive for the most part of the season and while Zoom was taking over and terrorising the city. It felt like no one even heard of Savitar outside the group. The biggest threat from him was that he was going to kill Iris, which he did.....except it was a bait and switch. The reveal was too late, the foreshadowing way too obvious, the Killer Frost arc was like whatever the hell it was.
Also this Speedforce always needs someone trapped in the prison thing, why? Who was the prisoner before Savitar? Ofcourse the reasoning for this will be it's speedforce, don't gotta explain shit !
I wonder if Barry is going to get replaced by Wally as The Flash now but I doubt CW will do anything that drastic eventhough it would be completely in line with the source material.
Also this Speedforce always needs someone trapped in the prison thing, why? Who was the prisoner before Savitar? Ofcourse the reasoning for this will be it's speedforce, don't gotta explain shit !
I wonder if Barry is going to get replaced by Wally as The Flash now but I doubt CW will do anything that drastic eventhough it would be completely in line with the source material.
I've no idea why people are taking the Speed Force at face value.
Didn't hate it (That's like Arrow S3-level), but I did not like it. It's just frustrating since S1 knocked it out of the park, and then it's (imo) been mediocre ever since. That being said, S2's Zoom was great up until he took off the mask and randomly fell for Caitlin, but Savitar just sucked since Day 1.
And while S3 was ultimately not as bad as Arrow's S3, it's also gradually getting harder to overlook the show's unique issues.
Dirtyshubb
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I still hate what they did with the killer frost story.
The reason every bad metta went bad was because they Already were or something terrible happened but for another unexplained reason caitlin is somehow transformed into a new person when she gets her powers.
Always felt very wrong and just a lazy way to change the character.
The reason every bad metta went bad was because they Already were or something terrible happened but for another unexplained reason caitlin is somehow transformed into a new person when she gets her powers.
Always felt very wrong and just a lazy way to change the character.
Didn't hate it i just find it frustrating and disappointing
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, he was a natural as a snide-asshole character always busting Barry's balls.
Now that Cisco doesn't have HR around anymore to give him ideas for new inventions to defeat their enemy of the week he's going to have to do something.
I legit forgot about his existence until the funeral.
Nah, Harry is back, they are just gonna throw ideas back and forth.
I really do hope that they have the balls to keep Barry on the sideline for multiple episodes at the beginning of the season.
I think what I'd like to see is Team Flash running with Wally as the Flash for a while. Literally no Barry. No flashbacks, no cuts to him in the Speed Force, nothing. Maybe talk about him, but you never, ever, ever see him. Really sell that he's gone.
Then you have shit start to go wrong right around Fall sweeps. Have Team Flash get in way over their head, shit's going wrong, everything is dire. Then, just as Wally is nearly finished, there's a bolt of lightning and there's Barry, standing proud and tall, here to save the day. After that, have Barry mop things up and use the experience to get him to return to his more happy go lucky self. Really sell whatever happened to him in the Speed Force as a learning experience. Stop having him fucking taking Ls everywhere.
Yes, I'm more or less ripping off Waid's Flash #100, which I think is a great return entrance, but it will only work if we get like 3-4 episodes of absolutely no Barry.
I think what I'd like to see is Team Flash running with Wally as the Flash for a while. Literally no Barry. No flashbacks, no cuts to him in the Speed Force, nothing. Maybe talk about him, but you never, ever, ever see him. Really sell that he's gone.
Then you have shit start to go wrong right around Fall sweeps. Have Team Flash get in way over their head, shit's going wrong, everything is dire. Then, just as Wally is nearly finished, there's a bolt of lightning and there's Barry, standing proud and tall, here to save the day. After that, have Barry mop things up and use the experience to get him to return to his more happy go lucky self. Really sell whatever happened to him in the Speed Force as a learning experience. Stop having him fucking taking Ls everywhere.
Yes, I'm more or less ripping off Waid's Flash #100, which I think is a great return entrance, but it will only work if we get like 3-4 episodes of absolutely no Barry.
Tal Shiar Agent
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She is pregnant with his child.
It was horribly paced and had chunks of episodes where nothing substantially happened or changed. At all. That's not good TV. I don't think it's trash, but uh...I didn't think it was good either.
Tal Shiar Agent
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It was a 12 episode story strung out over double the episodes.
They could have more story to justify with more focus on savitar as barry and the cult doing stuff besides just fighting barry
I honestly believe some of these cape shows need to follow the SHIELD model, which just then boils down to good writing above all else because even if you did the "pod" system with one overarching plotline, if the writing bad the writing bad. Hopefully Flash has decent writing next year.
Ok but fr fr, I knkw schedules and what not, but that crossover episode was built of off forced bs drama on both shows and it just annoyed me that they did that to Iris and Mon-El only to solve everything in one episode.At least we got this:
Yes, if they all did it like AoS, things would likely go so much more smoothly. But in the end, it still comes down to good writing. Though I prefer AoS' model, Arrow showed that you actually can stick to their usual formula and still have a great season.
As for that episode, yea the resolution was dumb, but I enjoy those two hanging out lol
Uh, no. It was a 9 episode story then a 12 episode story.
IndoAssassin
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Well it was the 3rd best show out of the 4.
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Like this?
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Yeah, then it's 3rd. I haven't even started Supergirl yet to be honest, but nothing about it appeals to me. Never cared for the Superman family.
IndoAssassin
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For me flop Legends and Arrow
That was one hell of a kiss!
Maybe it's different with Metas????
BLOODED_hands
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I don't know either :/ and that applies to myself.
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In a way, like some have mentioned, having Barry disappearing is like a whole new beginning or a restart to the series. I'm assuming that once Barry is released the Speed Force will be healed and there shouldn't be any issues from now on, in regards to good Speedsters.
Doing rankings for what I've watched comic-wise:
1. Into The Badlands - badassery all around. The justbleed.gif gods were pleased!
2. Penny Dreadful - werewolves, vampires, demons, oh my!
3. Legends of Tomorrow - overall embracing of the silliness.
4. Agents of Shield - Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider and Aida!
5. The Strain - so terrible but I can't stop watching.
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6. Supergirl - it was more enjoyable to me than The Flash and that surprises me.
7. The Flash - just a disappointment all around.
I saw a bit of Legion but I just couldn't get into it. The same goes for Arrow again. But if I did then they would definitely fit in somewhere in my list.
BLOODED_hands
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True. Won't edit it out because then my list will be bare bones lol.
Dominican Power
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I wish these CW DC shows would cut out the fat and give us shorter seasons. Improve the quality of the show.
Being shorter doesn't translate to better quality. Doctor Who has had a few seasons of basically seasons despite being 12ish episodes.
Arrow this year has proven that a 20+ episode season can be a kickass season if the plot/writing/etc is done well. Arrow just had an explosive finale for it's hot season.
They need to pull a Agents of Shield and do mini arcs.
I don't get this. It's not like they're super annoying or dumb or anything. (At least not this season, Felicity had a bad stretch a while back.)
Why have they overstayed their welcomes more than, say, Joe or Lance any other non-fighting character?
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SocksAndShoes
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Guys guys...can't we just all agree that all these shows are terrible and we only watch them for the attractive lads and lasses?
I'm actually pretty hyped for Cloak and Dagger, I'm not gonna lie.
User Name Here
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So are we going to get evil Jessie now?
i think the cw's issue revolves around trying to hamfist a growing cast of regulars into 95% of the season. so in order to do that they have to dumb down the main character or the first couple to make room for so many others and give them something generic to do every single episode.
loved flash s1 and s2 (though the decline def started in s3), but i probably won't tune in to 4 until it is all wrapped up. this season just had so much potential and turned out to be so shitty, every episode was just cluttered with endless contradictions and legitimately useless filler -- even the latter episodes or "main story" episodes (which in the past were always the best).
arrow has been on the rebound this season though, will have to catch up with the second half to see how it closes, but might get back on that train
loved flash s1 and s2 (though the decline def started in s3), but i probably won't tune in to 4 until it is all wrapped up. this season just had so much potential and turned out to be so shitty, every episode was just cluttered with endless contradictions and legitimately useless filler -- even the latter episodes or "main story" episodes (which in the past were always the best).
arrow has been on the rebound this season though, will have to catch up with the second half to see how it closes, but might get back on that train
Really underwhelming finale, mostly because of the switcheroo at the top of it. Wasn't handled very well, neither was the penultimate fight. Everything loses it's gravity when you can conveniently react quickly or late to things, and yeah that's always been a problem with the show so no big deal there, but it just kind of felt extra weightless this time.
Overall, yeah season has been quite a slow burn, and not in a good way. It's hard to muster up the care, especially when Barry's terror management didn't really flow well up until the climax, and it was across way too many damn episodes. Genuinely don't know if it's just this season or CW shows have reached peak meaninglessness in writing.
EDIT: Also suffers from a severe mumbo jumbo tech lingo problem that solves every problem. Over and over again. Hard to care, and generally creates shitty stories.
Overall, yeah season has been quite a slow burn, and not in a good way. It's hard to muster up the care, especially when Barry's terror management didn't really flow well up until the climax, and it was across way too many damn episodes. Genuinely don't know if it's just this season or CW shows have reached peak meaninglessness in writing.
EDIT: Also suffers from a severe mumbo jumbo tech lingo problem that solves every problem. Over and over again. Hard to care, and generally creates shitty stories.
There is better on The CW if you want attractive people.
SHIELD had 23 episdoes was quality
Arrow was 23 episodes was quality
Flash Season 1 was 23 episodes was quality
Pretty bland finale. Eh...
Sad about H.R. though. That was a good twist.
Hopefully Wally steps up as the Flash, and Barry is gone for more than a couple episodes.
Sad about H.R. though. That was a good twist.
Hopefully Wally steps up as the Flash, and Barry is gone for more than a couple episodes.
Arrow could have cut just about all the Russia stuff and all the Helix stuff and nothing of value would've been lost. That was my 'look at Facebook' time. That Prometheus arc could be been finished in half the time.
I know it has nothing to do with the main plot, but I was pretty much done with the show when they had a random bank robber have a gun capable of shooting homing bullets as fast as (or faster) then the Flash. Nevermind that it also shot rockets, electronic nets, etc. No explanation of where this gun came from or anything. Just making shit up on the fly, no time to explain.
So I wasn't surprised when Savitar had a magic rock that prevented Flash's gun to work. It also scares away bears.
So I wasn't surprised when Savitar had a magic rock that prevented Flash's gun to work. It also scares away bears.
...i don't even remember this.
Arrow was able to justify it's length time and time again besides 3 and 4 but those seasons don't exist Flash on the hand in the third season and somewhat in 2 had shitty pacing. It's not like they don't have enough as mentioned Savitar as barry can take a lot more episodes than it does and the maybe redemption could even be an episode or two by itself even more by making him conflicted about everything. We also had the cult and by giving a motivation besides and something to do besides Iris they can have the cult do stuff like infiltrate the police or create a metahuman army with generic powers for the budget anything than what we got. It just wasted potential, even read somewhere of how cool would it be if Savitar sacrifices himself for the speed force prison
You don't remember plunder i think it was a wally focus episodes
3x10, the bank robber's name was "Plunder". He's apparently from the mirror universe, which ... I mean, okay so that's supposed to be the explanation of where the gun came from?
They didn't even call attention to the gun, which bugs me the most.