Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Scrow said:
Do you find the time and put it aside to watch your favorite comedy show ?
I sure do
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The Nintendo DS: Still a Piece of Shit
- Thread starter Drinky Crow
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Do you find the time and put it aside to watch your favorite comedy show ?
I sure do
.sidnotcrazy
Member
This is a stupid thread. Both the PSP and DS are great platforms.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I got post #500! And I wasn't even trying.
tetsuoxb said:
As do I testu. Gaf is a great source of news, and information. But that comes from regular posters contributing their time and watching different channels of information to be able to post it so that people like you and me can read a collection of news and information here.
That said, the 'hacker' who made a post in opa about his exploid wrote something I thought was quite ironic.
hacker said:
To be quite honest, the GAF mod's behavior in the previous months and the current war being waged by the GAF admin has always given me the impression that we have an insane non-nintendo fan on a rampage banning junior members who disagree openly with the hateful bulletproof old timers and making regular members weary of what they post and who they argue against or they might be banned. So, really, what's the difference. The hacker only illustrated the insanity by reversing the roles.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
sidnotcrazy said:
Not even vaguely the issue at hand.
JackFrost2012
Banned
Deku said:
The difference is that these "old-timers" have been around long enough that (reasonable) people know they don't mean 90% of the vitriolic things they say, and that they're just having a laugh at the expense of the more excitable readers. Junior Members, on the other hand, are usually deadly serious about their console jihad.
The point is, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. If you troll the PSP in an amusing, witty, and self-deprecating way, the mods will probably take a shine to you and you can get away with bloody murder. On the other hand, if you come into the forums all WELL I NEVER and act all offended at the mean things people say about your favorite system and LET ME EDUCATE YOU and YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, you will get banned and people will laugh.
Digest that, understand that, and your stay at GAF will be long and entertaining - to yourself AND others. Ignore it, and, well, you can always register at OA.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
DarienA said:
Not even for the yucks?
C'mon, join the Ban Pool. We arleady called one right, within minutes!
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
tetsuoxb said:
We have to split it, he was my pick, too! In fact, he inspired the idea, since he seemed to be gunning for a ban.
See... I'd be very weary about doing something like this, because the response it would spark would probably be more trouble for the mods than it's worth. But I'm not much of a trolling kind of guy (at least that's what I think) so what do I know.JackFrost2012 said:
Plus, the PSP was made by God, so trolling it would be blasphemous.
I'm surprised this banning wasn't mentioned.
If you're starting a pool, don't include this guy.
JackFrost2012
Banned
Scrow said:
If you can't see the sarcasm and total baiting design of Drinky's original post, then all hope is lost.
GAF isn't a conversation, it's participatory drama and/or improv comedy. You can accept that, or you can rail against it, but you sure as hell can't change it.
Crankenstein
Banned
JackFrost2012 said:
Does not fit the initial post of this thread. YMMV.
JackFrost2012
Banned
Society said:
[what sausage dog]
Crankenstein
Banned
JackFrost2012 said:
That may be so for some, but soooooo many "old timers" jump on the damage control with insults and, at least what reads to be, serious defensiveness. Everyone has their less than polite moments, but some are yeeesh.
JackFrost2012 said:
To be fair, lots of old timers are fine and well respected as you noted. But a few are abusing this, MAF, DC ? I read a thread about MAF's behavior last year explaining it with the same reason, he's been here a long time, he's bulletproof etc..
So do people leave them alone? ignore their flamebaits? People who post here are intelligent, generally, and we see the old timer's biases. Some are intelligent about it and admit it, others use it as a hammer and jump right into flame wars using their bulletproof status to inject themselves in debates they should be stopping. Instead they support one side or another. I respectfully have to say that many posters are aware that with these old timers that 90% of the time they mean what they say and enjoy the fact that they just got away with bans, and inciting a flame war in which the other side has no real resource because speaking up would mean a big massive ban.
Speech in a forum is never entirely free. I've modded forums before and mods are ultimate arbiters of what gets cut and culled, but when the threat of a ban is flahsed to scare away argumentative responses to stupid posts who happens to be in agreement with the mods, people start talking about 'speech being quashed'. That's not people asking for a perfect democracy, it's moderators behaving badly.
That's relative. If you're predisposed to support a platform, a company or a system, jokes that are witty and funny to you would be deeply insulting and flame bait material for the otherside. That's the problem I have really.
This seems more like a loophole to allow choice members to behave badly and get away with it because they themselves hold power or hold a view which is supported by those with power whereas someone doing the exact same thing but from the opposite view point is not treated in the same manner because to those with power, the comments aren't funny, they are flame bait. So really, I think you just proved how problematic this is.
No one's asking for democracy here, but a bit of consideration, consistency and the realization that GAF is what is because of your posters. And to be quite frank, I'll say to you the reaction to the hack indicident is a bad move.
You don't really have to be an "old-timer" to realise that 90% of the forum does, in fact, consider the DS to be a piece of shit. It was only announced about a year ago, and from the very beginning people have been taking the piss out of it. Though I still question myself making a serious response in what is obviously a non-serious threadJackFrost2012 said:
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Remember that episode in which Mr. Burns kept laughing and laughing time and time again thinking about his old servant, who he used to hit with his toy-ride ?
This is like I feel with this thread: when I think I got over it, I remember another hilarious moment of it and laugh some more :lol.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
SantaCruZer said:
Stupidity is equally distributed in all categories.
JackFrost2012
Banned
I think this thread has become what security experts refer to as a "honeypot."
DC? I won´t defend MAF because he doesn´t need it at all, but if DC is Dcharlie I find it quite amusing what you say.
Listen yourself, you are speaking as we were trying to solve some conflict in Africa.
Everyone that takes offense and feel insulted because someone says a pice of hardware is shit should take a rest.
Crankenstein
Banned
Gaijin To Ronin said:
Start small then proceed to bigger things. What is wrong with asking for more civility here?
Gaijin To Ronin said:
Thread starter.
Ultimately, this is about how we as a community organize ourselves. I don't think its wrong to be serious about it and to sound like i'm trying to solve a serious proble. GAF exists, its a community, and I am just expressing my view.
I suppose being civil is not ok. I should behave like the role models mods here and TYPE IN CALL CAPS AND SAY DS IS A PIECE OF SHIT every other sentence to be taken seriously. Is that witty?
Except some of them take it out and actually ban people, or do crazy things like start flamebaits. But you seem to have missed the point of everything I just said.
Because this is not reality afterall. If you want "civility" I suggest that as a poster try to help people to adopt a more relaxed view of things, try to calm down other people when the discussion heat on and be a constructive poster (I´m not speaking of you I don´t know you, I´m just putting an example).
If someone says "Nintedo DS is shit" and you are not agree and want to say something about it, just say it, be clear about is your opinion, expose your reasoning and avoid to point with the finger anyone to show how superior is your reasoning. You can be sure no one is going to be banned with that attitude.
And never forget where are you, this is not a "small thing" this is nothing, is a game, something for entertaining and learning, something to enrich our hobby with videogames. Reality is the way to go to start doing "small things". Believe me when I say that you are not going to save any country in Africa starting with complaining mods in GAF.
OneFiftyOne
Member
Deku said:
What's with this 'democracy' nonsense? MAF has reminded us in this thread, repeatedly, that this is a PRIVATE forum. Those - to use your own words - 'with power' in a private domain have no obligation to be democratic: if you have a problem with a forum's admin banning posters just for displaying Nintendo fanboy-ism, you may simply LEAVE and go to another forum where Nintendrones are allowed to post whatever they want.
I don't take seriously Drinky's opinions of the DS, but I am nonetheless willing to abide the rules he makes/enforces/whatever here.
Panajev:
As my final comment in this thread I just have to say that mostly I agree with this post.
However in this context, I'll be less harsh and say:
'Humanity is equally distributed in all categories'.
People defend their preferences. I guarantee you that if we commence systematic PS/1/2/SP bashing and ban people for the same 'infractions' as they are being banned for in this thread there'll be plenty of bannin's. One only has to witness the numerous DS vs PSP threads to see that liking something isn't unique to Nintendo fans.
If we adopt equal opportunity systematic bashing/banning we'll end up with a forum of people with no preferences and hence no forum. I find that difficult to imagine. However, since the current campaign will eradicate only Nintendo fans it might prove successful, as they'll either be banned or be unmotivated/afraid to contribute.
As my final comment in this thread I just have to say that mostly I agree with this post.
However in this context, I'll be less harsh and say:
'Humanity is equally distributed in all categories'.
People defend their preferences. I guarantee you that if we commence systematic PS/1/2/SP bashing and ban people for the same 'infractions' as they are being banned for in this thread there'll be plenty of bannin's. One only has to witness the numerous DS vs PSP threads to see that liking something isn't unique to Nintendo fans.
If we adopt equal opportunity systematic bashing/banning we'll end up with a forum of people with no preferences and hence no forum. I find that difficult to imagine. However, since the current campaign will eradicate only Nintendo fans it might prove successful, as they'll either be banned or be unmotivated/afraid to contribute.
Sorry, I´m getting tired, I will avoid to keep doing full circles about my own reasonings, so I will say this just once more:
GAF is not a self organizated community, this would a huge chaos that way. This is a private forum, with rulers. Take it or leave it, as simple of that. Is a game, have its rules, take it as you want, but at the end of the way you have to respect that rules. No one asked you to come here, you are here for you free will and you can leave whenever you want.
Mods can do it, you don´t. If you don´t want to see the true nature of this, if you want to see Drinky as one man that awakes at morning with the only purpose to make fun of Nintendo fans and amuse them, you are free to do it.
Think about it, who start the flamebait? the one that says DS is shit, or the one that answer angry to it?
Again, some of you take this too seriously.
JasoNsider
Member
All of this "but it's just a joke" and "your taking it too seriously" stuff is pretty ridiculous. Here's why:
-First, the thread was not funny to begin with. It had potential to stir up some typical fanboys, but it was completely devoid of any humor.
-More importantly, the thread turned sour at exactly here:
At which point Drinky banned him. Exactly what did he do to deserve a ban? Not only did he not call you names or make a big fuss, but he in fact did the most honorable thing in this thread - that is, to laugh at this bait and move on. You made a shitty thread and the man was simply brushing off your bait with a civil retort of his own. So what did this guy do wrong?
-First, the thread was not funny to begin with. It had potential to stir up some typical fanboys, but it was completely devoid of any humor.
-More importantly, the thread turned sour at exactly here:
At which point Drinky banned him. Exactly what did he do to deserve a ban? Not only did he not call you names or make a big fuss, but he in fact did the most honorable thing in this thread - that is, to laugh at this bait and move on. You made a shitty thread and the man was simply brushing off your bait with a civil retort of his own. So what did this guy do wrong?
JackFrost2012
Banned
3:2 on JasoNsider, do I have any takers?
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I dunno-- he seems to keep pulling back from that one outburst over the edge that will get him banned.
He's flirting with it, but I don't think his pissed off enough to immolate himself just yet.
He's flirting with it, but I don't think his pissed off enough to immolate himself just yet.
JasoNsider said:
We find it funny, you don't. Too bad, admins and mods are on our side, either accept that or leave.
See above.
What did he do to deserve a ban? How about bending over and pulling his pants down to show us that he tattooed "YA BITCHES YOU CAN ALL SUCK MY FILTHY ASS!" on his buttcheeks? :lol
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
One of the other mods ought to do a controlled experiment, by creating the identical thread thead putting down the PSP. And then see who bites.
I don't think too many-- but I don't think that's because there's any difference in the fans of one system or the other, just that the culture here has grown into one of Ninbots playing the persecution card and self-fulfilling the prophecy.
Still, it might be fun to shake some of the other trees and see who drops out.
I don't think too many-- but I don't think that's because there's any difference in the fans of one system or the other, just that the culture here has grown into one of Ninbots playing the persecution card and self-fulfilling the prophecy.
Still, it might be fun to shake some of the other trees and see who drops out.
captmcblack
Member
So...these new "rules"...do they apply to the entire forum?
For that experiment, Ignatz, one might need to replicate the entire process of stirring the pot over the course of a few months. Of course, a single thread would be more likely to be ignored, esp. if everyone saw it coming and easily detects that the OP doesn't mean what he's saying.
However, If a known Nintendo fan started multiple PSP bashfests under mod protection there would be chaos...lol.
ok..I'm really gone this time, maybe
However, If a known Nintendo fan started multiple PSP bashfests under mod protection there would be chaos...lol.
ok..I'm really gone this time, maybe
JasoNsider
Member
ge-man said:
Right, and I'm starting to fully understand that now. It's just sad that anybody who tries to even talk about this gets the "OMG is he next ban?!1"
JasoNsider
Member
duckroll said:
Like this thread, I took that part as a joke. I really doubt that the entire administration has adopted the policy that "complaints will not be heard". If they have.....well, geez I don't know where to begin.