Because it'd die first.
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Because it'd die first.
Vampirolol
Member
This is like reality, it's just that simple. Democracy works but it's slow and boring, anarchy is faster, fun but dangerous and stupid. Monarchy would be the only perfect chioce, but you know, it would be fun only for the king.
Now, given the fact that we can't actually hurt anybody, I think that anarchy should be the right choice.
Now, given the fact that we can't actually hurt anybody, I think that anarchy should be the right choice.
Regardless of what people's opinions are on using democracy to get the key, that's done now and I think we should remove the entire system. Just anarchy now until -maybe- something impossible again like the Safari Zone. It's a lot less rewarding right now.
It's like a great TV-show that got some "changes" for ratings. Meaning suits taking over that don't know what fun is but know how to get ratings.
It's like a great TV-show that got some "changes" for ratings. Meaning suits taking over that don't know what fun is but know how to get ratings.
astrogamer
Member
Meanwhile in Twitch Plays Crystals
Despite the onslaught of trolls, We did it with AJ Butt
Despite the onslaught of trolls, We did it with AJ Butt
gutterboy44
Member
I don't think it would have been done on persistence/luck though with 70K and up viewers. I think the popularity would decline steeply at some point, maybe day 10 of the maze or whatever, and at some critical point the troll to player ratio during some late night would return to a usable level and they would succeed. The new system or a significant reduction of players accomplish the same thing at the end, noise filtering. One just did it way quicker. It was still even an accomplishment with democracy to get through.
The entire social interaction aspect is far more interesting than beating a game with what mostly equates to random number generation. I think the frustration would have set in much earlier if from minute one there were 70K+ viewers. A lot of the momentum came at lower viewer counts.
Metagaming. They achieved something the game wasn't prepared for, which is coordination and team work. If that's not impressive, then nothing is.
Icelandic_Jazz
Member
This is depressing me. The whole anarchy/democracy thing is ruining the fun. Please just remove it before things get out of hand.
It wouldnt, as soon as the numbers are low enough to manage the obstacle, they'd go right back up. The numbers would ebb and flow like a beautiful mathematical wave.
TheLegendOfCap
Member
90k+ people simultaneously controlling a single player game is still pretty damn interesting to me. *shrug*
Anyway, Anarchy/Democracy should only be introduced when we've been stuck on a puzzle for 36+ hours, maybe even 48+. Then disabled once we get passed it.
I don't think they would've gotten through that maze eventually. It's like a joke that got old fast. If we would have been in that spot all day today people would stop watching the stream, but for different reasons.
Anyway, Anarchy/Democracy should only be introduced when we've been stuck on a puzzle for 36+ hours, maybe even 48+. Then disabled once we get passed it.
I don't think they would've gotten through that maze eventually. It's like a joke that got old fast. If we would have been in that spot all day today people would stop watching the stream, but for different reasons.
CrunchyFrog
Member
There needs to be a cooldown on vote eligibility so that we can get people back to actually trying to play the game.
So, the philosophical conclusions you can reach with this stream are...
All Anarchy: Progress through most of the game but can't get through high-dexterity points.
All Democracy: Start9
Anarchy vs. Democracy: Two sides fight against each other and nothing gets done.
Humanity is doomed.
All Anarchy: Progress through most of the game but can't get through high-dexterity points.
All Democracy: Start9
Anarchy vs. Democracy: Two sides fight against each other and nothing gets done.
Humanity is doomed.
Nah, that's not true. People would stick around. Not as much, no, but they would stick around. And when others hear that those brave few got past this maze or the Safari Zone or some other crap, they'd come back, and viewers would shoot up again... and then come back down when the next BS thing takes more than a couple days. But at least it means the playthrough was done right.
CrocMother
Banned
Democracy gives us hope of actually beating the game within a reasonable time frame.
I know some people are complaining about the "purity" being ruined, but you are taking this way too seriously. It's still really fun to watch if you can get over yourselves.
I know some people are complaining about the "purity" being ruined, but you are taking this way too seriously. It's still really fun to watch if you can get over yourselves.
Agreed. Hopefully It gets removed.
that's not what democracy setting proves. It shows that 80k people can cooperate under insufficient settings to accomplish a task.
And anarchy wasn't proving monkey on typewriters; the internet itself does that. There was intelligent purpose to this stream of completing a task, and overcoming certain factors (lag, trolls, conflicting motives) that made completing said task difficult.
Exactly what I am saying, get it down to below 5k in 1 month and woop, they make it. Watch the numbers go back up. Using a "shortcut" isnt rewarding, if I win a game of chess against the AI by taking out pieces that are dangerous to me... of course I'll win eventually, surprise.
ComputerMKII
Banned
bluelightningduo
Member
There are over 1,000,000 views of THIS THREAD ALONE.
Praise Helix.
Praise Helix.
Democracy proves jack shit, its an instant win button.
KojiKnight
Member
Wrong order... we got the stupid democracy/anarchy thing... which let us progress... then we got the lift key.
Chezzymann
Member
Stream has dropped 8K viewers in the past 30 minutes. I think a lot of people are turned off by this whole democracy thing.
Even if they somehow do manage to turn it back to democracy, it is unlikely to stay there long as at the moment the anarchists are able to play the game as well as keeping the democracy system away.
If democracy manages to somehow overthrow anarchy, then the anarchists will swing it back pretty quickly i think since the democracy will be playing the game and won't have enough people voting against anarchy.
If democracy manages to somehow overthrow anarchy, then the anarchists will swing it back pretty quickly i think since the democracy will be playing the game and won't have enough people voting against anarchy.
Wait they got past the ghost gym?
TheLegendOfCap
Member
Agreed. Hopefully It gets removed.
If democracy is gone, Flareon will prevail, obviously.
Everyone who wants anarchy is a dome-cult believer!
The prophecy must be fulfilled!
Fixed
And sadly the most tedious button possible. Also holy god has the anarchy/democracy fight flared up.
The point isn't to "beat" the game: its the madness, the meta-narrative created to make sense of the madness, its the progress lost, its the grind forward, its the huge payoff where after hours you walk up that ledge, you cut that tree.
There are other streams, like the Blue stream, for those who just want to "beat" the game.
KojiKnight
Member
We haven't had democracy in like a half hour or more, so how are you continuing to lose interest?
ComputerMKII
Banned
By the way, why is Nintendo not shutting this channel down? I thought rom hacks and emulators were not tolerated...?
I'm losing interest due to the voting system.
Democracy should only be used when necessary.
REMOVE VOTING SYSTEM!!!!
Because the chat is now a giant wall of anarchy/democracy, rather than playing the game?
I'd assume it's the same as spamming an input and never really knowing when it happened.
Wiz
Member
At least there's not as many start trolls.
"Progress" (things happening) is still slowed as a large percentage of inputs are going to preserving the run.
Because people arent discussing strategies how to progress, but instead are trying to change the anarchy system all the time, and as soon as democracy is up, same thing is going to happen to revert back to anarchy.
Yeah, makes the game sad as opposed to absolutely hilarious. Fuck the voting system.
TheLegendOfCap
Member
This is more than reasonable, and will probably happen no later than Noon PST.
Mark my words!
If anything, a big viewer drop will make this happen.
CrocMother
Banned
Yeah but if you're actually watching the stream it hasn't changed much. The only difference is that we were able to navigate a maze.
The voting system?
The fact that I KNOW that in a space of a few minutes, this can slow from chaotic to snail pace boring.
I liked the element of randomness.
Earthstrike
Member
Whatever will they do without the ability to hit start!
