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Vatican reveals Luce, anime style mascot for Jubilee 2025

GymWolf

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Most of the priests right now



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winjer

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AJUMP23 said:
Their employees and patrons do.
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That is like saying that people who drink coca-cola and the workers that make coca-cola, pay taxes. But not the Coca-cola company.
The fact remains, that the Vatican does not pay taxes, despite being one of the wealthiest organizations in the world. And while benefiting from the infrastructure bought by the taxes that everyone else pays.
This is extremely immoral and unethical.
 
AJUMP23

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winjer said:
That is like saying that people who drink coca-cola and the workers that make coca-cola, pay taxes. But not the Coca-cola company.
The fact remains, that the Vatican does not pay taxes, despite being one of the wealthiest organizations in the world. And while benefiting from the infrastructure bought by the taxes that everyone else pays.
This is extremely immoral and unethical.
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Taxes are immoral. The Vatican is immoral too, but that is because they rape kids, not due to tax status. Abolish Income tax.

They pay taxes on everything they purchase. just like everyone else. Income tax is immoral, consumer taxes are fine.
 
David Ricardo

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JayK47 said:
What are Luce's pronouns?
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Apparently she is a girl:
"Clad in a yellow raincoat, mud-stained boots, and a pilgrim’s cross, Luce’s mission is to guide young pilgrims toward hope and faith with her trusty dog Santino at her side. Shells glimmer in her eyes, recalling the scallop shell of the Camino de Santiago, an emblem of the pilgrimage journey."

www.catholicnewsagency.com

Meet ‘Luce’: The Vatican’s cartoon mascot for Jubilee 2025

The mascot, named Luce — which means “light” in Italian — is intended to engage a younger audience and guide visitors through the holy year.
www.catholicnewsagency.com www.catholicnewsagency.com

It also crossed my mind she might be non binary. With this woke pope, everything is possible.
 
Rran

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As a Catholic, I think she's great and it's wild that she's caught on with all this (WHOLESOME) fan art of her being a pious honeybun. I've seen some Catholics bristle and compare the name to "Lucifer" which is a huge stretch; both names have the same root word ("Light") and Luce is pronounced "LU-chay" which means it shares...what, the first syllable with Lucifer? C'mon now.

It's also no more idolatry than Precious Moments characters or VeggieTales. Again I say, c'mon now.
winjer said:
That is like saying that people who drink coca-cola and the workers that make coca-cola, pay taxes. But not the Coca-cola company.
The fact remains, that the Vatican does not pay taxes, despite being one of the wealthiest organizations in the world. And while benefiting from the infrastructure bought by the taxes that everyone else pays.
This is extremely immoral and unethical.
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First, while the Catholic Church is extremely wealthy, it's also the largest charity organization in the world, having given over 170 billion dollars to various groups in need. Plus all the volunteer work such as the 4,500+ Missionary Sisters of Charity who run soup kitchens, care for refugees and the sick, running schools, etc.

Second, tax exemption applies to not just charities, but a wide variety of organizations that serve a common good: museums, sports leagues, social clubs.

In 1819, Maccoulough vs Maryland Chief Justice suggested “The power to tax involves the power to destroy, that the power to destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create.” Government can destroy something—it doesn’t have to outlaw it—by just taxing the heck out of it.

If religion has a right to exist and operate, and should be protected from government, you have to protect it from the main means government has to destroy it: taxation. They need that tax-exempt status to protect themselves from the state, so in order to have religious freedom, churches must be non-taxable.
 
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winjer

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Rran said:
As a Catholic, I think she's great and it's wild that she's caught on with all this (WHOLESOME) fan art of her being a pious honeybun. I've seen some Catholics bristle and compare the name to "Lucifer" which is a huge stretch; both names have the same root word ("Light") and Luce is pronounced "LU-chay" which means it shares...what, the first syllable with Lucifer? C'mon now.

It's also no more idolatry than Precious Moments characters or VeggieTales. Again I say, c'mon now.

First, while the Catholic Church is extremely wealthy, it's also the largest charity organization in the world, having given over 170 billion dollars to various groups in need. Plus all the volunteer work such as the 4,500+ Missionary Sisters of Charity who run soup kitchens, care for refugees and the sick, running schools, etc.

Second, tax exemption applies to not just charities, but a wide variety of organizations that serve a common good: museums, sports leagues, social clubs.

In 1819, Maccoulough vs Maryland Chief Justice suggested “The power to tax involves the power to destroy, that the power to destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create.” Government can destroy something—it doesn’t have to outlaw it—by just taxing the heck out of it.

If religion has a right to exist and operate, and should be protected from government, you have to protect it from the main means government has to destroy it: taxation. They need that tax-exempt status to protect themselves from the state, so in order to have religious freedom, churches must be non-taxable.
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Just because they make some charity, does not mean they should be tax free.
That is just an excuse, for them to keep racking in billions, every year.
Taxes does not mean to destroy, it means everyone contributes to the infrastructure of a country.
 
Kraz

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mild sriracha said:
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I like inclusion of the four figures surrounding. Unsure what they are exactly intended to represent, but first appearance gives off spiritual companions. Celestially as constellations to my projections. The dove seemingly carrying messages between mom and daughter that the dog can sense(guardian). It's very clever. The Cathowitch Church.

 
P:axMagellanic

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winjer said:
Just because they make some charity, does not mean they should be tax free.
That is just an excuse, for them to keep racking in billions, every year.
Taxes does not mean to destroy, it means everyone contributes to the infrastructure of a country.
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I burst out laughing to the missus when I saw donation urns in fkn St.Peters, it cost us like £80 quid to get in there with the tour...

She was raised catholic while I was brought up Church of England, so it was an amusing experience.
 
SHAKEZ

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Unknown Soldier said:
Some of you guys failed the midwit check today, sorry

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No one is saying it's the same thing, it's just that it's really close to you know... fucking Lucifer. Which means bringer of light, so the names are even close in meaning and I think it's a really bad name to give a mascot.
 
NeoIkaruGAF

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SHAKEZ said:
No one is saying it's the same thing, it's just that it's really close to you know... fucking Lucifer. Which means bringer of light, so the names are even close in meaning and I think it's a really bad name to give a mascot.
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No it isn’t :pie_roffles:

There is no speaker of romance languages who would think of Lucifer first thing when they hear the name Luce. The Catholic liturgy very rarely uses the name Lucifer btw, it’s possibly the last name anyone would use when speaking of the devil.
 
Kraz

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SHAKEZ said:
No one is saying it's the same thing, it's just that it's really close to you know... fucking Lucifer. Which means bringer of light, so the names are even close in meaning and I think it's a really bad name to give a mascot.
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Yup, Luce and Luci has been a shortened form of Lucifer for a long time in culture. Doesn't mean it's the same, but also doesn't mean a connection is unreasonable.

I think it's a good name for the mascot though. Bringing the metaphor of Venus(at dawn) back to feminine. In line with my thinking of living myth adapting to human development and understanding. Eve and Lilith as aspects of the same feminine; the mascot a child's lens of dawn Venus. Lots of coherent metaphor for a hylozoic natural philosophy.

Lucifer has taken on Promethean qualities in pop culture and become about Knowledge and Mercurial.
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IDKFA

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P:axMagellanic said:
I burst out laughing to the missus when I saw donation urns in fkn St.Peters, it cost us like £80 quid to get in there with the tour...

She was raised catholic while I was brought up Church of England, so it was an amusing experience.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Church of England also doesn't pay tax. It also charges the public to enter it's places of worship ( example, £25 a ticket for St Pauls, plus they ask for an extra donation on top).

However, they do a lot of charity work and are also committing £100million to address their historic links to slavery, so perhaps it's not as bad? Some people are going to be a lot better off with some of that 100mil investment coming their way.
 
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