videogamedunkey (Dunky) Thread

I can accept him saying that hes mixed about the game but he doesnt really articulate his points well at all and beyond what he believes to be poor aiming i dont think he really said anything super coherent

Considering he put game reviewers on blast 2 videos ago, its... not a good show for him to put out a review like this

And yeah, putting out funny content on a weekly basis is incredibly hard so i get the attempts to try and make his content more serious but it just kind of doesnt work- ive felt that for a while with the tone shift of the "dunkviews"

I like dunkey, ive been a long time subscriber, but dunkviews are easily his least entertaining content he puts out in my opinion, because the idea im supposed to take them seriously is just... absurd. His points feel either common or not elaborated on at all.

Still the video made me laugh but like... only at the end. By then he was done with his review so... yeah.
 
Sorastitch said:
I can accept him saying that hes mixed about the game but he doesnt really articulate his points well at all and beyond what he believes to be poor aiming i dont think he really said anything super coherent

Considering he put game reviewers on blast 2 videos ago, its... not a good show for him to put out a review like this

And yeah, putting out funny content on a weekly basis is incredibly hard so i get the attempts to try and make his content more serious but it just kind of doesnt work- ive felt that for a while with the tone shift of the "dunkviews"

I like dunkey, ive been a long time subscriber, but dunkviews are easily his least entertaining content he puts out in my opinion, because the idea im supposed to take them seriously is just... absurd. His points feel either common or not elaborated on at all.

Still the video made me laugh but like... only at the end. By then he was done with his review so... yeah.
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Couldn't agree more
 
Sorastitch said:
I can accept him saying that hes mixed about the game but he doesnt really articulate his points well at all and beyond what he believes to be poor aiming i dont think he really said anything super coherent

Considering he put game reviewers on blast 2 videos ago, its... not a good show for him to put out a review like this

And yeah, putting out funny content on a weekly basis is incredibly hard so i get the attempts to try and make his content more serious but it just kind of doesnt work- ive felt that for a while with the tone shift of the "dunkviews"

I like dunkey, ive been a long time subscriber, but dunkviews are easily his least entertaining content he puts out in my opinion, because the idea im supposed to take them seriously is just... absurd. His points feel either common or not elaborated on at all.

Still the video made me laugh but like... only at the end. By then he was done with his review so... yeah.
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You reckon? Even if taken as a Dunkview, I thought it was pretty consistent with his Game Critics vid. That vid boiled down to:

1. Big gaming sites have too many different reviewers, creating inconsistent scoring, and a discordant message
2. Score is often at odds with review
3. The full scale is not used properly, with most falling between a 7 and a 9
4. Reviews are invalidated when reviewer has not thoroughly explored majority of content, and completed game

You can argue that Dunkey was guilty of number 4, but I'd like to see your evidence that he hasn't adequately invested himself into it to formulate a notable opinion. He didn't contradict 1 to 3 either, particularly no.1 - Dunkey's said time and time again that he has zero patience for games, and is also a stickler for a game that's easy to pick-up. I'm not super shocked Splatoon 2 isn't up his alley, as for these reasons it also wasn't up mine.
 
NippleViking said:
1. Big gaming sites have too many different reviewers, creating inconsistent scoring, and a discordant message
2. Score is often at odds with review
3. The full scale is not used properly, with most falling between a 7 and a 9
4. Reviews are invalidated when reviewer has not thoroughly explored majority of content, and completed game
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I don't want to directly address the validity of Dunkey's Spla2n review right here to make a larger point beyond "Dunkey is or isn't hypocritical". Just want to talk through the points you've listed straight from his criticism of the reviews industry.

  1. Dunkey belongs to a gaming network within YouTube. When his opinion of a game conflicts with another content-creator's opinion in the same network, is this a problem? Many big review outlets consist of many, many salaried and freelance reviewers. Many journalists also actively advocate for more personality-based coverage of games. I don't think there's anything wrong with this and I really don't think every outlet needs some central messaging. It would take tremendous editing effort and undermines the market need to produce review content in a timely manner for consumers looking for reviews to inform purchasing decisions.
  2. How numerical scores are attached to reviews depends on the outlet. Some outlets require consensus among several editorial staff, some leave the number up to individual reviewers. Anything beyond this is entirely subjective and based solely on the premise in point 1 - that there needs to be some central messaging within an outlet, or that the absence of one is somehow to the detriment of the average consumer or of the authority of that outlet's reviewers.
  3. Consider that many reviewers choose to not torture themselves by reviewing shitty games. Go ahead, play a game that you think deserves a 4 for 8 hours. And then do that regularly. More than that, though, believe me that so, so many journalists absolutely hate attaching numerical scores to their reviews. This is literally just a consequence of providing a resource to consumers. Don't encourage people like Dunkey to put Peter Brown or any other reviewer on blast for this when that derision is so misplaced. If you'd take a step back from this immediate circlejerk of "IGN sucks" you'd find that many outlets and journalists are actively struggling (and have been struggling for literal decades) with review scores. EDIT: Ask any journalist and most will tell you straight-up that what score they give a game matters so, so much more to their audiences than it does to publishers. Ain't any of that grand, systemic collusion between reviewers and publishers.
  4. For starters, if a reviewer discloses that they have not completed a game (which is already more than Dunkey's done in his Splatoon 2 review), you can move onto a reviewer that has completed that game. Consider too that this is an utterly impossible task sometimes. How would someone review an MMORPG, for example? The real question here is: how much time does a reviewer need to spend with a game to review it accurately? Is it a percentage of the game? What if that game is multiplayer? Is it a set amount of hours? Is it just exploring all mechanics and features? Is it understanding and getting decent at the game's control scheme? All of these questions come down to one really simple point: find the reviewers you trust and listen to them. If someone puts out a review with very clearly no intention of portraying a game as fully as possible - you know, just to make some laughs happen - then criticize them just like people here are criticizing Dunkey.
 
NippleViking said:
You reckon? Even if taken as a Dunkview, I thought it was pretty consistent with his Game Critics vid. That vid boiled down to:

1. Big gaming sites have too many different reviewers, creating inconsistent scoring, and a discordant message
2. Score is often at odds with review
3. The full scale is not used properly, with most falling between a 7 and a 9
4. Reviews are invalidated when reviewer has not thoroughly explored majority of content, and completed game

You can argue that Dunkey was guilty of number 4, but I'd like to see your evidence that he hasn't adequately invested himself into it to formulate a notable opinion. He didn't contradict 1 to 3 either, particularly no.1 - Dunkey's said time and time again that he has zero patience for games, and is also a stickler for a game that's easy to pick-up. I'm not super shocked Splatoon 2 isn't up his alley, as for these reasons it also wasn't up mine.
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His gameplay footage is pretty indicative of him not really giving the game a fair shot, considering he's only played one mode and did a poor job of it. He has incredibly low scores even when using guns that are amazing at painting - this is indicative of him not trying to play the mode properly at all, you genuinely have to actively try to not play in order to get scores like that. Within 15 seconds you can have 100+ points with some of those weapons, he's two minutes in and has under 300. He played one mode and the single player, claims aspects of the single player aren't in the multiplayer (they are), says sloshers and rollers are bad at getting kills (they're not), doesn't understand chargers... there's plenty within his gameplay to show he's both bad at the game and not actually trying to play it properly, really. And then there's the crown jewel of absolute nonsense with "bad aiming"... the aiming is standard console shooter aiming, but with gyro as an option that can give you KBM level accuracy. If Splatoon has bad aiming, what about Halo, or Titanfall, etc? There's nothing functionally different there.

And the thing is, all of this would be fine, but he wants to try to be taken as a serious reviewer. By all means, he's entitled to hate Splatoon. But what he's doing here, it's exactly what he complained that Gamespot guy did with Crash, where he barely played it and wasn't good at it but tries to speak as a figure of authority anyhow. Calling Dunkey hypocritical for this video is absolutely valid.

If you don't like a game, you're not obligated to have to give it a fair shot, but you shouldn't also act like you're in a position to review something as truly awful either. Simply not liking something is a valid opinion when it comes to reviewing entertainment, trying to provide insight when you have none to provide, however? That's worse hack writing than anything he's accused other game reviewers of having produced. What this video really boils down to, he doesn't like Splatoon (which he said as much in a video with Leah about a year ago, that he hasn't played it but he doesn't like it) and he doesn't want to like Splatoon, and that'd be fine but he's trying to elevate that close-minded opinion as some high level criticism and that especially stands out as silly when he's gone on record basically saying he's a better critic than other critics. You can't drop a video like that "reviewers suck" one and follow up on it with a review like this if you want to be taken remotely seriously.
 
Dunkey just wants to make lazy uninformed rants on game critics while not being able to produce a good review by himself, because shitting on something and others is easier :)
 
Pretty odd and interesting to see him do something not video game related. It's kinda like seeing Yahtzee do Zero Punctuation reviews on films, or Redlettermedia doing Half in the Bag episodes on video games.

I'd like to see both
 
TheDinoman said:
Pretty odd and interesting to see him do something not video game related. It's kinda like seeing Yahtzee do Zero Punctuation reviews on films, or Redlettermedia doing Half in the Bag episodes on video games.

I'd like to see both
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Redlettermedia has Previously Recorded.
 
TheDinoman said:
I know they do, but to be honest, I don't like Rich and Jack quite as much as Mike and Jay, which I why I kinda wish they had the same knowledge and passion for video games as they do for movies.
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Yeah Mike doesn't care about video games at all, although Jay occasionally shows up on their PR streams.
 
Not the best video but I mean who just knocks it out of the park their first time? It's way out of his niche and it's pretty good considering.
 
I've seen some of his videos and I am not a fan of his humour, pretty dumb for my taste. First time seeing there was a thread for his videos on here, so just chiming in, heh.
 
selo said:
I've seen some of his videos and I am not a fan of his humour, pretty dumb for my taste. First time seeing there was a thread for his videos on here, so just chiming in, heh.
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He's playing a character for the most part. His humor is dumb but it's self-aware.
 
selo said:
I've seen some of his videos and I am not a fan of his humour, pretty dumb for my taste. First time seeing there was a thread for his videos on here, so just chiming in, heh.
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Its funny cause his Shining video shows hes incredibly well spoken and knows his shit.

A few of his game reviews are like that. Banjo and Ocarina especially.
 
Dunkey has gone to complete shit since that review video. A serious critic he is not.

That The Shining video was awful. Completely asinine, written like he's still in high school and needed to do a video essay for film class.
 
Grakl said:
Dunkey has gone to complete shit since that review video. A serious critic he is not. That The Shining video was awful.
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Overexaggeration much?
His Nidhogg 2 video was excellent and now that he did one movie review (and a pretty good one at that) he's "gone to complete shit"?

Why of course, it makes total unquestionable sense!
 
Bjoern the Smexy said:
Overexaggeration much?
His Nidhogg 2 video was excellent and now that he did one movie review (and a pretty good one at that) he's "gone to complete shit"?

Why of course, it makes total unquestionable sense!
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I thought this since the review video, it's not out of the blue when this video dropped. Comedy Night was great because it was nothing but silly, but as soon as he dips into his thesaurus and uses his serious voice, as he's been doing more often, he just exposes himself as a really lackluster and boring critic. This video just cements how awful he really is at it.

Actually, the oddest thing about his serious reviews is how boring he is. I have no reason to watch that stuff over the competition. He's less informed, less enthusiastic, has no angle. So weird for dunkey.
 
Grakl said:
I thought this since the review video, it's not out of the blue when this video dropped. Comedy Night was great because it was nothing but silly, but as soon as he dips into his thesaurus and uses his serious voice, as he's been doing more often, he just exposes himself as a really lackluster and boring critic. This video just cements how awful he really is at it.
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I agree that it does sound like a a dive into the thesaurus and really doesn't discuss much any questions or ideas he poses. It was kinda like a book report from Jr high. I think it's cool he's trying new things though. If he's passionate about film and wants to talk about them, why not?
 
DrBo42 said:
I agree that it does sound like a a dive into the thesaurus and really doesn't discuss much any questions or ideas he poses. It was kinda like a book report from Jr high. I think it's cool he's trying new things though. If he's passionate about film and wants to talk about them, why not?
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Oh yeah I'm totes cool with him trying new stuff, I just want him to get back to making awesome funny shit lol. I'm selfish lmao, just discussing his new angle
 
Bjoern the Smexy said:
Overexaggeration much?
His Nidhogg 2 video was excellent and now that he did one movie review (and a pretty good one at that) he's "gone to complete shit"?

Why of course, it makes total unquestionable sense!
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Hyperbole and the internet go hand in hand.

His game critics video was one of the worst he's ever made but the last few were perfectly fine. I actually really enjoyed the Shining video even if it was out of character for him.
 
The Shining review video was bad. It just reads like he watched someone's video essay and reworded. I used to love his content, but he's been trying to become a critic and he's just not good at it.
 
Grakl said:
I thought this since the review video, it's not out of the blue when this video dropped. Comedy Night was great because it was nothing but silly, but as soon as he dips into his thesaurus and uses his serious voice, as he's been doing more often, he just exposes himself as a really lackluster and boring critic. This video just cements how awful he really is at it.

Actually, the oddest thing about his serious reviews is how boring he is. I have no reason to watch that stuff over the competition. He's less informed, less enthusiastic, has no angle. So weird for dunkey.
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Yeah it's such a weird direction. I don't like his review stuff at all. Ever since his video about video game reviewers I've been really turned off of his content, but it had been trending that way for awhile

His MGSV videos are still amazing. Someone @ me when that Dunkey returns
 
Eagerly anticipating that Knack 2 vid like....

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He also rips off every crackpot Shining theory from the documentary Room 237, maybe even in the same order they're presented in that film. Come on, guy.
 
Archtreyz said:
The Shining review video was bad. It just reads like he watched someone's video essay and reworded.
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More like he started an introductory film class and decided to make this video after the first week.

I X'd out of the video a quarter of the way through on my first view tbh. I gave it another chance and realized that he doesn't even talk about the technical aspects at all or at least, not in any way that matters.

I have to watch it again.
 
His Shining video was pretty boilerplate stuff, but it's not like it's awful. He just summarized the movie heh. It's the kind of thing that is worth making to improve on your skills. If he wants to make more serious vids about films he should look to fellow youtubers like the Nerdwriter and notice how they focus on a single element or idea. When you stretch out this thinly you end up talking about nothing of interest.
 
jett said:
His Shining video was pretty boilerplate stuff, but it's not like it's awful. He just summarized the movie heh. It's the kind of thing that is worth making to improve on your skills. If he wants to make more serious vids about films he should look to fellow youtubers like the Nerdwriter and notice how they focus on a single element or idea. When you stretch out this thinly you end up talking about nothing of interest.
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Funny thing is he's a big fan of RLM
 
This Knack video is trash, wow. The expectation was through the roof after all the memes but he barely put effort into it.
 
Syntsui said:
This Knack video is trash, wow. The expectation was through the roof after all the memes but he barely put effort into it.
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It's almost as if he decided to subvert those expectations for the sake of comedy instead of playing it totally straight.
 
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