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Winter of Anime 2013 |OT -6| How much lower can we go?!
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SHAFT is an iPad?
Jex
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It's well known that the best threads stem from a disagreement about one of the basic terms in the title of the thread itself.
Oh okay. I think that for studios working on sub-HD resolutions, their intention is to have enough extra detail so it looks better than a DVD for sure when seen in a HD format, but they don't want to put the strain (or cost?) of actual HD resolutions on the staff doing the finishing, digital painting, and composite.
As for mid-HD resolution studios, it's possible they want to have a clear benefit for those watching the blu-rays in 1080p, but they don't want to put the strain (or cost?) of full HD resolutions on the staff doing the finishing, digital painting, and composite.
Maybe someone should ask a studio head about this when they have the chance.
OUYA.
SHAFT makes shows at 2048x1536?
I think half-HD is a good compromise, because it makes for clean upscales to 1080.
Vita.
Junji's manga terrify me, but...
lol
It requires larger paper!
I imagine it does require more work and time than most companies feel they need to expend though, even if it might not be as much work as CGI. I honestly don't know too much about this, but it's interesting seeing production material and how the sizes of paper used and the details in them change over the years. Edit: I like Duckroll's answer better, lol.
They make cheap, low-quality games that lots of people buy, LOL.
The thing is, though, that even shows produced for SD resolutions look substantially better in full HD. See: pre-digital shows rereleased on bluray. So I don't quite understand why they can't just use the smaller paper/materials and still render at full HD resolution.
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firehawk12
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Okay, I can explain this one. There's a misunderstanding on your part here. It doesn't have that much to do with paper as it has to do with production. Pre-digital shows are not "produced for SD". They are produced traditionally, with paper cels which are cleaned up and painted by hand, with hand drawn and painted backgrounds, and then captured on film with a camera, frame by frame. This means the final product is on either 13-15mm or 35mm film stock. The "resolution" is far greater than what we're dealing with digitally.
The process of digital production is very different. Only the actual key frame and inbetween cels are drawn on paper. These are then scanned into a computer, cleaned up, and then digitally painted. They are then composited into animation by layering the cels, the effects, and the backgrounds (which are also mostly done digitally these days). This means that aside from the original paper frames which only contain the rough and uncolored animation content (characters moving, foreground stuff, etc), every step of the process is limited by the resolution they are done in. If a cel is scanned in at 720p, and it is finished and colored that way, that's the resolution. You cannot improve it any further unless you scan it again, and redo everything at a higher resolution.
While we're on the subject of anime production, does anyone know of any interesting videos or articles on anime production? I've only read a few articles that outline the production process and watched this video series on production of Kanon 2006. Everything else I know (which admittedly isn't a lot) has been basically from word of mouth.
I think there was a series of videos on the production of Clannad as well, but I lost the link...
I think there was a series of videos on the production of Clannad as well, but I lost the link...
No, I understand that pre-digital was done on film, but in the end it was still going to be broadcast at 480i on a crappy analog signal. It's actually kind of crazy when you realize these shows were so detailed when no one watching could actually appreciate them at the time, LOL.
I dunno, I just find it hard to believe they can't scan in materials at higher than 720p. My cheap crappy scanner can scan stuff at many multiples of that resolution, and you always want to work in higher resolutions than your final output if you can, anyway.
I would guess that in the end it's just anime studios saving time and money whenever they can, even if it's not that much more costly. At least KyoAni seems to be more forward-thinking in this area than most studios.
firehawk12
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No one says that they can't scan stuff in at higher than 720p. As I've explained, it's likely the rest of the process which determines what resolution they want to start with. A higher resolution means more work for everyone involved down the production line. For the actual animator drawing on paper, it's not much of a difference at all. More work = more costs and more time.
As far as ridiculous production values for pre-digital stuff goes, Vision of Escaflowne was a TV series made in 35mm. Lol.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The solution is to go full 2D CG. We saw that BRS TV special after all! We know the future!
It shouldn't really be a huge difference, though. Most digital painting programs are vector-based, so resolution is irrelevant in that case. For digital photography, After FX does take more time with larger resolutions, but that shouldn't be a big deal unless they just have really cheap/old workstations, which they might, LOL. Really the main cost for most of the steps in production should just be time spent rendering.
It's crazy. I would have hated to work on a pre-digital show as a background artist painstakingly detailing backdrops that the audience would just see as a blurry mess.
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Well CGI does take longer to render.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
lol
It's both funny and sad at the same time!
2D CG is so good, they have to REMOVE frames to make it look normal!
It's for a just cause.
So for backgrounds, do they draw the lines on paper and color it digitally similar to how character animation works? I always assumed they were pretty similar after seeing lineart for backgrounds like this:
but for all I know, this might just be reference material and backgrounds are basically just done digitally, so I don't know for sure.
You don't know. Maybe she has an apartment under her desk!
I'm sure it's not the same for every production, but generally storyboards are done first, and then the background layouts are made using the storyboards as their basis, and the final backgrounds are based on the layouts. Obviously digital painting is common now, but you also have studios like P.A. Works and Ufotable which make 3D CGI backgrounds. I would guess the layout process might be different when you're making a CGI background, but it probably still starts with sketches.
Ah, I forgot to take the storyboards into consideration. That makes a lot of sense if I think about it. As for 3D CGI backgrounds, I would imagine that it would be a bit more interesting being the person to composite the 2D character designs on the 3D backgrounds. You probably get a little more freedom than compositing a bunch of 2D images together. I guess you're still limited by the layouts, storyboards, and the whims of the director though, lol.
Well, CG backgrounds will generally take a lot more time to create than a 2D one, but the advantage is you can reuse that background over and over with different camera angles and lighting. So the real freedom would be for the storyboarders and directors, since they could theoretically shoot scenes from more angles and with more complex camerawork.
Finally, the anime site for Blood Lad just went live. Nothing there yet besides ads for the manga, a reminder that it's airing this year, the fact that somebody misspelled "introduction", and some initial staff.
http://bloodlad.jp/
Director: Shigeyuki Miya
Series Composition: Takeshi Konuta
Character Design: Kenji Fujisaki
(via katapan_)
http://bloodlad.jp/
Director: Shigeyuki Miya
Series Composition: Takeshi Konuta
Character Design: Kenji Fujisaki
(via katapan_)
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Holy shit.
RurouniZel
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I've been preoccupied with some stuff, hopefully should be over soon.
This has to be a bit of Namco cross-promotion, because I can't figure out any other reason why Tekken bossman Katsuhiro Harada is suddenly sporting an Iori avatar on Twitter.
edit: ...I think he just started tweeting in character. I swear one of his newest tweets is something like "The Minase Group won't give in to the Mishima Zaibatsu."
edit2: ahahaha someone just tweeted at him "Iorin! Tell me some FPS tips!" and he responded "Aim for the forehead. And I'm not talking about myself!"
edit: ...I think he just started tweeting in character. I swear one of his newest tweets is something like "The Minase Group won't give in to the Mishima Zaibatsu."
edit2: ahahaha someone just tweeted at him "Iorin! Tell me some FPS tips!" and he responded "Aim for the forehead. And I'm not talking about myself!"
*bounces up and down
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I'm ready for it, but it won't make itself available for my viewing
This kind of thing wouldn't occur if you just posted all day every day, silly.
I'MMMMMMMMM FRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I'm ready for it, but it won't make itself available for my viewing
This kind of thing wouldn't occur if you just posted all day every day, silly.
You've seen the light.
Also Harada should use Haruka as an avatar. She's the king of having things go her way.
Ultimadrago
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This has to be a bit of Namco cross-promotion, because I can't figure out any other reason why Tekken bossman Katsuhiro Harada is suddenly sporting an Iori avatar on Twitter.
edit: ...I think he just started tweeting in character. I swear one of his newest tweets is something like "The Minase Group won't give in to the Mishima Zaibatsu."
edit2: ahahaha someone just tweeted at him "Iorin! Tell me some FPS tips!" and he responded "Aim for the forehead. And I'm not talking about myself!"
Splendid! Harada knows the best idol.
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R_thanatos
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This has to be a bit of Namco cross-promotion, because I can't figure out any other reason why Tekken bossman Katsuhiro Harada is suddenly sporting an Iori avatar on Twitter.
edit: ...I think he just started tweeting in character. I swear one of his newest tweets is something like "The Minase Group won't give in to the Mishima Zaibatsu."
edit2: ahahaha someone just tweeted at him "Iorin! Tell me some FPS tips!" and he responded "Aim for the forehead. And I'm not talking about myself!"
Harada liking iori ? I don't have more words for this ....
Dedication Through Light
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Yes, cant wait to see my Staz and Wolf animated. And volume 3/4 omnibus next week.
HolyBaikal
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I have the sensation that this is the anime thread I was supposed to find. Or something close to it.
So, the anime certainly does look interesting, is it worth checking out?
Except, of course, when it ruins your career permanently. Also, anything and everything is considered a career ruining scandal. "Oh my god, she knows someone of the opposite gender, scandal! How dare she show her face in public after doing something so inhuman!".Aikatsu! 20
So, the anime certainly does look interesting, is it worth checking out?
Dedication Through Light
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Ginoza Kogami make a great team, love that pose.
Watch Love Live instead.
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