Because they needed to give Pacino for his horseshit performance in Scent of a Women.
I would have accepted his Oscar for The Hurricane too. Probably his best, underrated performance.
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Because they needed to give Pacino for his horseshit performance in Scent of a Women.
I would have accepted his Oscar for The Hurricane too. Probably his best, underrated performance.
ryutaro's mama
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But to give it to him for that movie over say, The Hurricane...or Mo Better Blues or X...hell, just give it to him for Deja Vu or Virtuosity ffs.
lightskintwin
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Me and my friends would joke and say Denzel finally got a leading actor Oscar for playing a nigga. His performances in The Hurricane and Malcolm X were more impressive.
It made $2M domestic. The people nominating films/roles actually have to see them, which is why big campaigns and extensive screeners have become such a leg up in recent years.
Foreign films that get recognition beyond the foreign language category usually have one of the boutique distributors pushing them. Look at Amour a few years ago.
PhoncipleBone
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Training Day is so horribly overrated. An above average film with a good Denzel performance, but nothing Oscar worthy. It is just Denzel acting angry and not much else. Everyone talks about him being scary and intimidating in it, but he was ten times scarier and intimidating in Man on Fire. And at least that had some emotional resonance to it.
Seriously, who the fuck remembers Driving Ms. Daisy? I remember seeing it in theaters when it hit, but nothing about any actual content of it.
Do the Right Thing is a damn masterpiece, and it was robbed.
BronsonLee
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Is that the one where he rescues that blonde girl with the help of a butt bomb
It felt like that Amazon knew how sure a thing Manchester by the Sea was and put down all of the chips on it. It's worked out well for them, but almost at the expense of everything else they put out in 2016, The Handmaiden included.
PhoncipleBone
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More like he loses his shit because the little blonde girl is gone and is cool using plastic explosives as suppositories on criminals to feel something in this world.
ryutaro's mama
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Agreed. I always thought that award wasn't shit and when they gave the Oscar to Sandra Bullock for the FUCKING BLIND SIDE, it was cemented.
PhoncipleBone
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Between Denzel winning and then Halle Berry winning for Monster's Ball, it just felt like Hollywood checking off their diversity sheet to shut people up that year.
lightskintwin
Banned
History remembers as Do the Right Thing has been considered a masterpiece and is often used in film schools to teach students. Although it does to be noted that it was addressed that year at the Oscars by Kim Bassinger before presenting Best Original Score to a huge round of applause of Academy members who ironically didn't vote the movie in. LOL
https://youtu.be/C8bclKPuuE0?t=93
ryutaro's mama
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Denzel actually called that shit out. They also gave Sidney Poitier the Lifetime achievement award that night too.
All in one fell swoop.
Agreed several folds. His performances prior to Training Day as a whole was better. It felt like he was more of an actor than a star, but switched afterwards. Basically they cheaped out for fucking him over prior and gave it to a fairly stereotypical, but quotable role.
Fences was a breath of fresh air, largely because he changed it up a bit more and Viola Davis dominated when she was on screen, even against Denzel. She better fucking win this year is all.
PhoncipleBone
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Yeah, Kim knew what was up. Even if her fashion choice wasn't on the up and up there.
EDIT: Each year, I feel like they should move to the idea that has floated out there of awarding Oscars five years later. Let these films have a bit of time to percolate in the collective consciousness and see what actually stands up after a short bit.
Really? The Artist swept the critics' prizes that year, it wasn't just Hollywood.
Shakespeare in Love is the better film, in my view.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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It's funny, I remember how the Weinsteins tried to push Winslet's role in The Reader as a supporting role so she could also be nominated for Revolutionary Road.
The 2008 oscars were a goddamn mess; the aforementioned The Reader, no WALL-E best picture nom, no TDK best picture, director, OR screenplay nom, no Eastwood nom, no song nom for The Wrestler, etc. At the time, I was shook!
Scent of a Woman is dismal, but I love "Hoo-ah!" Pacino, especially in Devil's Advocate. He absolutely should have won for Godfather Part 2, of course. Best Actor for 1975 is one of those rare instances where the winner was easily the worst among the bunch.
White actors did win everything for the following two years. Then we had Jamie Foxx and Morgan Freeman in 2005.
Bobby Roberts
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In the years since 2002, the happiness that Denzel and Halle got rewarded has gotten somewhat subdued as people came to realize the only time two black people were rewarded with Best Actor and Best Actress in the same year, it was for overall negative portrayals of black people.
You know what really sucks, so far as Berry's portrayal goes? The fact she won an Oscar for putting herself out there like that is secondary to the sex scene. In fact, if you type in the phrase "Halle Berry Monster's Ball" you have to go down like five links before you get to the wikipedia entry or the imdb. ALL the preceding links are just excerpts of Billy Bob Thornton fucking her. The rest of the page after those two links? Essays on/interviews about the sex scene.
You have to get to the middle of the 2nd page before there's a headline with the word Oscar in it.
BadAss2961
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Angry? Nah... Alonzo was a coolheaded, calculating, manipulative, coldhearted bastard. Never lost his cool until dude foiled his plan at the end.
Love both Training Day and Man of Fire. Malcolm X is Denzel's greatest performance though.
ryutaro's mama
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https://youtu.be/tj6yK9RXzPA
This scene, which doesn't have a single word of dialogue, carries so much emotional weight. I legit teared up when I saw this the first time...and still do.
The mother's reaction, combined with Williams' score...
PhoncipleBone
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Jamie Foxx in Ray was one of those roles where nobody questioned the awards being racially driven or anything. People just knew to get the fuck out of the way, because he was that damn good.
And thinking back to Do the Right Thing, where the hell is my Criterion blu ray for that? Their old DVD release for that is great, and it deserves the blu treatment from them, dammit!
Preach.
Shakespeare in Love is still a great film, but to rank it above Saving Private Ryan is just wrong. Saving Private Ryan drastically altered how we viewed war films, and especially WWII ones. It was a harsh, brutal kick to the face, and is still a masterpiece, even if the last ten minutes of "Tell me I'm a good man!" go a bit too far into the sap.
Jeffolation
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I knew something was off when How Green Was My Valley (a fine film, don't get me wrong) won over Citizen Kane.
Discotheque
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Denzel should have won for Malcolm X. But they gave it that year to Al Pacino who should have won for numerous roles prior to that.
It's just a cycle of apology awards really.
This year though I think it should be freaking cemented in stone that Affleck wins best actor. nobody touched that.
It's just a cycle of apology awards really.
This year though I think it should be freaking cemented in stone that Affleck wins best actor. nobody touched that.
Really? That's the year Leo should have won. I don't remember shit from Ray, but Aviator is still his goddamn best role.
Thinking about 2001, I think that was the year with Smith in Ali, which I really liked a lot and think he would have been a better choice than Denzel.
And? I didn't say SPR wasn't good too. But Shakespeare is a brilliant comedy with one of the most literate scripts in the last few decades.
lightskintwin
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Given the SAG awards, I think Denzel has a good chance upsetting Casey Afflect tbh
Ray was one of those once in a lifetime performances where only Jamie Foxx could've played that role that good.
Discotheque
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that would be a damn shame. I've seen both and I don't really think it should be a competition imo. Affleck's performance is one of the best I've seen.
i wonder if it's the sexual assault allegations that are catching up to him.
i wonder if it's the sexual assault allegations that are catching up to him.
BronsonLee
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I haven't seen any of them, so I think Vin Diesel should win for XXX: The Return of Xander Cage
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Hearst's smear campaign and overall attempts to ruin Orson Welles life are just insane. It's remarkable just how little self-awareness that man had.
Casey Affleck would definitely be closer to a lock without them.
Discotheque
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best skateboarding, best dive out of a space satellite, best extreme team leader.
Hero of Time
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Finally got to see John Wick 2. It deserves so much more box office than what it's getting.
Best Family
ryutaro's mama
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What are categories in the MTV Movie Awards 1994, Alex?
BronsonLee
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X TAKES CARE OF ITS' OWN
Anyways Amazon would probably shit a brick if Affleck won, that'd be a huge coup for them. Has Netflix gotten any awards for their movies?
It's probably gonna do double plus on what the first one did, you have to imagine a third one is coming
PhoncipleBone
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How it usually works out, sadly.
I still feel that Russel Crowe winning for Gladiator was an apology for snubbing him for The Insider the previous year. Spacey was great in American Beauty, but Crowe was on another level in Insider.
And look at Crowe's competition in 2000.
Russell Crowe Gladiator as General Maximus Decimus Meridiusdouble-dagger
Javier Bardem Before Night Falls as Reinaldo Arenas
Tom Hanks Cast Away as Chuck Noland
Ed Harris Pollock as Jackson Pollock
Geoffrey Rush Quills as the Marquis de Sade
Crowe is the weak link in that group. He was still great, but not on the level of everyone else.
The biggest crime that year was Julia Roberts winning Best Actress over Ellen Burstyn. Ellen was so far beyond everyone that year (and many other years), but they had to award Julia for pushing her cleavage up and acting feisty.
I do too. And if that happens, the anti-"PC" crowd will be out in full force on Monday, because god forbid him, Viola Davis, and Mahershala Ali all win on the same night!
lightskintwin
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Denzel's performance dominates the movie. It's one of his best performances. I haven't seen Manchester by the Sea, but Casey Affleck has been the frontrunner the entire awards season, but the SAG awards changed everything when Denzel won and being it's more in line with the Academy voters than any other awards show gives him a decent chance at pulling the upset.
Manchester by the Sea is one of those films that has one stellar scene that lifts the impression of the entire thing. Affleck was good throughout, but said scene is the only reason Michelle Williams was nominated.
Discotheque
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dying at these comparisons you're making in that post. "Yosemite Sam impression"
It may pull an uplifting triumph over Suicide Squad for best makeup. That's if it isn't upset by the Swedish film that practically no one watching the ceremony has ever heard of.
lightskintwin
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Well i'm only going by momentum during the awards season and Casey by far has it like Viola has it in her category. However, them SAG awards provided just enough of a speed bump where it's not the guaranteed lock we thought it was for Casey as it is for Viola.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Let's talk about Tom Hooper beating out David Fincher for best director. I enjoy The King's Speech, but Hooper makes so many directing decisions that just piss me the fuck off.
Bobby Roberts
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I thought Ashton Sanders did what Casey Affleck was doing better and in 1/3rd the screentime.
I thought everyone loved shoving cameras up an actor's nose!
That has such a simple explanation as to why, though: because it was a Weinstein Company film and Harvey wanted it bad that year.
Discotheque
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the ones that should have names engraved in them already:
Casey Affleck
Mahershala Ali
Viola Davis
I'd say isabelle hupert too but I didn't see natalie portman's jackie yet. looks like denzel might pull the upset and while I like the guy that would be a shame because he already has 2 of them awards and i don't think his Fences work was as strong as Casey
also fuck em for giving it to Innaritu over George Miller and Fincher not winning for Social Network. a million scusts.
Casey Affleck
Mahershala Ali
Viola Davis
I'd say isabelle hupert too but I didn't see natalie portman's jackie yet. looks like denzel might pull the upset and while I like the guy that would be a shame because he already has 2 of them awards and i don't think his Fences work was as strong as Casey
also fuck em for giving it to Innaritu over George Miller and Fincher not winning for Social Network. a million scusts.
Ya, the betting sites are still favouring Casey Affleck, but it's pretty close:
http://www.oddschecker.com/awards/oscars/best-actor
Compared to Viola's race:
http://www.oddschecker.com/awards/oscars/best-supporting-actress
PhoncipleBone
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Thank you for that.
The best parts:
"By the year 2000, Julia Roberts made a lot of people a lot of money in Hollywood, but shed somehow missed out on winning a Best Actress award, most likely because shes not that fucking good. But the film she was in, Erin Brockovich was like cutting the crusts off Silkwood and cooking it in an Easy-Bake Oven with the heat set to feel-good. "
And:
"The passage of time reveals a movies true quality, not the number of gold statues it won. Citizen Kane didnt need the Best Picture, neither did Raging Bull, or Dr. Strangelove, or Rear Window, or Star Wars. Keep that in mind while youre watching the circus, and youll have a better time all around."
Time is the ultimate judge of all art. What is popular or seen as the best at the time it is released to the world is not always indicative of how it will be seen down the line. Time is the cruel, but fair judge of all works of art.
And, while many of us said it at the time, I still feel Fury Road will be very, very favorably viewed as time goes on.
Yes, I snuck in a Fury Road plug in there, because it deserves it.
WITNESS.
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