Women in Games calls on Steam to remove game which promotes sexual assault

sounds like a proper norty bit of fun I'll be picking this game up to play for sure. might not be able to wait for a sale if these crafty witches get it removed though, best get it now i say
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
A bit disturbing to see some people defending censorship of this. If you are pro creative freedom, it's exactly to protect the expression of unpopular thoughts and ideas. It's the recognition that no matter how bad or distasteful a piece of art is, it has the right to exist.

Either you agree with this or you are pro censorship and thought policing, that's it, no excuses.

As far as I understood it's flagged for adults, made by adults, so adults are free to play it or not. Don't recognize anyone's right to force another adult to not play whatever videogame, read whatever book, watch whatever movie (etc...) he wants to watch.
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There are limits though right - you'd censor child porn wouldn't you?
 
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TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
Not at all.

Folks here aren't morally bankrupt.

You know damn well it's the fuckers on Era who virtue-signal in public while getting their rocks off to some nasty reprehensible shit behind the scenes.
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We all saw them bashing cp2077 and hogwards legacy while simultanuisly claiming they playing those games(ofc their copy was given to them ;p) lol, they got such a low moral standard out there they cant admit to liking a game/pay for it themselfs ;D

Here on gaf we even had GAF-ers making topic/admiting they liking those sexy thirst trap gatcha games btw, 0 shame, he simply likes what he likes ;D
 
When you drift into the porn games on steam you shouldn't be shocked the creeps are there.

I'm just surprised they are upset about it when i imagine they probably openly promote games that show beastiality and other creepy shit.

This is kind of the unhinged people's bread and butter on steam.
 
I feel like this is one of those conversations of peoples weird taste. Which many people do, but It doesn't equate to someone being influenced to act upon that.

For example hentai/doujinshis again these sexual manga. There are some weird/grotesque genres in like gore, vore, rape, loli etc there are pockets people who like that shit.

I had a convos with my friend on a similar topic about censorship about the loli doujinshis. I'm not saying people can't read it or suspend disbelief cause again it's just a drawing and there not bothering anyone.

But I also think that it's weird. I don't think most would act on there weird fetishes. But where do you draw the line between weird pictures and small percentage of people wanting to act out a fantasy in real life?

Granted there is no way to know, but people have there pockets of communities that I do believe majority of the time just want to be left alone and aren't bothering anyone.

Like I just hope we're not getting to a point where people are so anti censor ship that they realize that are some things that do cross a line and there should be a hard-line stance against it.
 
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Randall365 said:
There are limits though right - you'd censor child porn wouldn't you?
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don't mix topics, anything crossing from fantasy/art/literature to real life is under different set of rules. Obviously real cases of that should remain (obviously) illegal as there's someone being victim. But literature or games depicting that, I don't have double standards, if anyone wants to create such fiction, it should be their right to do so. I don't ban stuff I don't like.

Let's not forget the important and only line that matters reality vs fantasy/art
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
don't mix topics, anything crossing from fantasy/art/literature to real life is under different set of rules. Obviously real cases of that should remain (obviously) illegal as there's someone being victim. But literature or games depicting that, I don't have double standards, if anyone wants to create such fiction, it should be their right to do so. I don't ban stuff I don't like.

Let's not forget the important and only line that matters reality vs fantasy/art
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But laws change, no morals are ever set in stone, and art isn't created or enjoyed in a vacuum.
It is not about banning something you don't like, it is about having a modicum of shared morals/ethics which is mandatory for a society to work.
 
Toots said:
But laws change, no morals are ever set in stone, and art isn't created or enjoyed in a vacuum.
It is not about banning something you don't like, it is about having a modicum of shared morals/ethics which is mandatory for a society to work.
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You are talking about a society where minors pimp themselves in OnlyFans for the sake of "empowerment" and they are called "content creators" instead of the most fitting word for that.

SPARE ME THE BULLSHIT.
 
Why even give it publicity? I doubt anyone playing it is going to try and rape their mother anymore than they'd try jumping on turtles after playing Mario.
 
Toots said:
But laws change, no morals are ever set in stone, and art isn't created or enjoyed in a vacuum.
It is not about banning something you don't like, it is about having a modicum of shared morals/ethics which is mandatory for a society to work.
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It always amazes me how clueless some men are. Have you looked at the literotica women get off to?

It's full of beastiality, incest and non-consensual sex. If you look at reviews they're full of women that look like Women in Games CEO Dr Marie-Claire Isaaman.

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Why are women allowed to enjoy those things undisturbed while men need to be shamed at every opportunity?
 
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Kinda ironic that this makes the news in an industry where the most anticipated upcoming product is a criminal and murder simulator.
 
RoboFu said:
Yeah I'd say it's a pretty shitty game that crosses lines.

On the other side this probably will increase sells when otherwise no one would have known about this " game "
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Who cares you can murder people in games, decapitate their heads, chainsaw their torsos off, drug them, turn them into slaves but some lame game about incest and domination is the problem? There's worst shit in women's romance novels.

There's a point where every person evolves from a regular person into a clutch pearling grandma, pray you haven't crossed it.
 
MarV0 said:
It always amazes me how clueless some men are. Have you looked at the literotica women get off to?

It's full of beastiality, incest and non-consensual sex. If you look at reviews they're full of women that look like Women in Games CEO Dr Marie-Claire Isaaman.

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Why are women allowed to enjoy those things undisturbed while men need to be shamed at every opportunity?
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Why the hell are you making this a man vs woman situation ?
I never said women have the right to enjoy their fetishes while men do not.
I said some fetishes have no place in a sane society, and if we cannot collectively agree on at least some of them, we are fucked as a society.
 
nkarafo said:
Most of the stuff you listed are illegal so censorship doesn't really apply.
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So is sexual assault?

It's in the game's description that "you wont take 'no" as an answer"

That sounds pretty rapey to me

So is murder, and we have tons of games with it and etc.
 
Hugare said:
So is sexual assault?

It's in the game's description that "you wont take 'no" as an answer"

That sounds pretty rapey to me

So is murder, and we have tons of games with it and etc.
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Games where you straight up murder people (hatred comes to mind) are always met with great pushback.
The fact that we can kill people in games depicting war situations is not the same. It is not good either, but most of the world's economy is based on war so games like COD are accepted. You'll notice that the game is called Call of duty not call for murder.
 
Gameplay Gods Bless said:
Who cares you can murder people in games, decapitate their heads, chainsaw their torsos off, drug them, turn them into slaves but some lame game about incest and domination is the problem? There's worst shit in women's romance novels.

There's a point where every person evolves from a regular person into a clutch pearling grandma, pray you haven't crossed it.
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In truth, more things should be banned, there are strong correlations between what we see and what we do. People are animals and gets influenced by every dumb thing.
 
Hugare said:
So is sexual assault?

It's in the game's description that "you wont take 'no" as an answer"

That sounds pretty rapey to me

So is murder, and we have tons of games with it and etc.
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Depiction of sexual assault or murder is not illegal though. Sexual assault as a fantasy and/or kink isn't illegal either.

Necrophilia, pedophilia, zoophilia though... Pretty sure even depicting them is not allowed. At least in most places.
 
Toots said:
Games where you straight up murder people (hatred comes to mind) are always met with great pushback.
The fact that we can kill people in games depicting war situations is not the same. It is not good either, but most of the world's economy is based on war so games like COD are accepted. You'll notice that the game is called Call of duty not call for murder.
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Eh, there are tons of other games besides COD that deal with murder

Hell, you are a killer in Hitman. You can kill everyone in the game, not only your targets, in very sadistic ways, but no one gives a damn, 'cause murder is already "socially accepted"

"Illegal" isn't where we draw the line, clearly
 
kpopSuperstar said:
In truth, more things should be banned, there are strong correlations between what we see and what we do. People are animals and gets influenced by every dumb thing.
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That's the old way of thinking. Research for the last 80 years has shown that just because people see something on TV, games, books etc doesn't mean they are going to engage in the behavior they see. The reason for this is because the human brain can distinguish between fiction and reality.


You're argument is what people used to use to try to ban stuff in books, then the radio, then TV and finally games. Personally I think horror movies are sick and disgusting but just because I think that shit is for weirdos doesn't mean it should be banned. Specially not in the US where we have many freedoms in terms of content publishing.
 
Toots said:
Why the hell are you making this a man vs woman situation ?
I never said women have the right to enjoy their fetishes while men do not.
I said some fetishes have no place in a sane society, and if we cannot collectively agree on at least some of them, we are fucked as a society.
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Maybe he's doing it because as per usual with feminist orgs it is? They specifically target stuff aimed at men while deliberately ignore the ones aimed at women
 
nkarafo said:
Depiction of sexual assault or murder is not illegal though. Sexual assault as a fantasy and/or kink isn't illegal either.

Necrophilia, pedophilia, zoophilia though... Pretty sure even depicting them is not allowed. At least in most places.
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According to ChatGPT

In the USA, the rules are more permissive than in many other countries due to strong First Amendment protections (freedom of speech and expression). But there are still limits, especially where criminal depictions intersect with harmful conduct, obscenity, or incitement.


Here's how it breaks down in the U.S.:



LEGAL TO DEPICT in Fiction (Movies, Games, etc.):


Most crimes can be depicted in fiction without legal issues:


  • Murder
  • Assault
  • Robbery
  • Drug use/trafficking
  • Terrorism
  • Hacking
  • War crimes
  • Police brutality
  • Sex work
  • Corruption

As long as it's clearly fictional or dramatized, and not real footage of illegal acts, it's usually protected.



ILLEGAL OR HEAVILY RESTRICTED to Depict:


1. Child Sexual Abuse / Pornography


  • Completely illegal, including:
    • Real images/videos of minors in sexual acts.
    • Sometimes even realistic CGI, animation, or drawings (e.g., "lolicon") can lead to charges under federal obscenity laws, even if no real child was involved.

2. Obscenity


  • Not protected by the First Amendment.
  • The Miller Test decides if something is obscene (prurient, offensive, lacking value).
    • Extremely violent, gory, or sexual content is usually allowed unless it's also obscene or involves minors.

3. Snuff Films / Real Criminal Acts


  • Real murders, suicides, rapes, or illegal activity being recorded and distributed is illegal.
  • Fictional depictions are allowed, but real crimes caught on film may lead to legal trouble if shared or sold.

4. Incitement to Imminent Lawless Action


  • If your media encourages viewers to immediately commit a crime, that's not protected speech.
    • E.g., "Let's go burn down the police station right now."

5. True Threats / Harassment


  • Even fictional media that makes credible threats against real individuals can be illegal.

6. Animal Cruelty (Real Footage)


  • Illegal to create or distribute videos of actual animal cruelty ("crush videos," etc.).
  • Fictional depictions are allowed.
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nkarafo said:
Ok, seems like it agrees with what i'm saying?
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Not really?

This game fits into the Obscenity description, and I doubt that it would pass the Miller test.

The rest about zoophilia and etc., yes, you are correct
 
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Hugare said:
Not really?

This game fits into the Obscenity description, and I doubt that it would pass the Miller test.
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Define "obscene"?

Is this game more obscene than any movie with a rape scene? Even something like Irreversible with it's 10 min rape scene is still not illegal.

I haven't played this game but i would bet it's far more tame than this movie.

Also, there's a TON of sexual assault/rape scenarios in porn and it's pretty legal.
 
rodrigolfp said:
But when it promotes killing is ok, right?
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I'm not saying the subject can't be discussed, but that's not this. I also would not be for a School Mass Shooter Simulator either.

I'm against most censorship, but saying 100% nothing should ever be subject to censorship is ignorant.

Should games be allowed to display real people's information that the creator doesn't like, such as photos, address, credit card information?
 
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