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World of Warcraft |OT9| People still play this? Isn't it from 2004
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Azzurri
Member
If I could play a Troll that looked like this...
I would drop whatever to roll a Troll Warrior.
This is what I want too, upright and jacked.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Yeah, Amani are the trolls we deserve.
Don't get me wrong, I like my troll characters well enough, but Darkspear are literally the lamest looking out of all the troll types in the game.
Don't get me wrong, I like my troll characters well enough, but Darkspear are literally the lamest looking out of all the troll types in the game.
AlimNassor
Banned
Damn, the RNG really hates me. I did all 50 portal farming on 2 split characters and got nothing while half our party got at least one. Grrr.
LFRKJ is ez but, made difficult by idiots who don't want to do the mechanics.
LFRKJ is ez but, made difficult by idiots who don't want to do the mechanics.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Fixed
RandomSeed
Member
BC questing hasn't aged well, but I enjoyed it at the time.
I think WotlK still has the best vibe, and the zones were all very unique/fresh/detailed at the time. A HUGE improvement in detail over BC. Plenty of interesting lore stuff going on.
Cata is average-good. I don't dislike it, but it's just not that exciting. The stupid humor added to the vanilla experience is something I do hate, though. It goes too far.
MoP is still gorgeous. Questing is solid. Too much trash (Four Winds) to agro you.
I love the WoD main quest, and the zones feel like a nice mix between new and old. It sucks that I missed the time when the garrison actually offered some nice rewards, because I like what they did there, especially the shipyard. There just isn't a real reason for me to do anything there now, outside of screwing around.
Legion offers a lot to do, and the class specific content is a step in the right direction to make your character feel special. I actually felt like the class I was playing, rather than the usual, "Thanks for your help <insert playerclass name>!" Still too much grinding to see some of the content. The Suramar questline is one of the best in the game, but I doubt I'm ever going to grind out Nightfallen rep again to replay it.
I think WotlK still has the best vibe, and the zones were all very unique/fresh/detailed at the time. A HUGE improvement in detail over BC. Plenty of interesting lore stuff going on.
Cata is average-good. I don't dislike it, but it's just not that exciting. The stupid humor added to the vanilla experience is something I do hate, though. It goes too far.
MoP is still gorgeous. Questing is solid. Too much trash (Four Winds) to agro you.
I love the WoD main quest, and the zones feel like a nice mix between new and old. It sucks that I missed the time when the garrison actually offered some nice rewards, because I like what they did there, especially the shipyard. There just isn't a real reason for me to do anything there now, outside of screwing around.
Legion offers a lot to do, and the class specific content is a step in the right direction to make your character feel special. I actually felt like the class I was playing, rather than the usual, "Thanks for your help <insert playerclass name>!" Still too much grinding to see some of the content. The Suramar questline is one of the best in the game, but I doubt I'm ever going to grind out Nightfallen rep again to replay it.
I can't be bothered doing it again either. In MOP they introduced 100% rep bonus items (Grand Commendation of the X) purchasable at revered that applied to all your characters on your account. I'd love to know why they tossed that awesome, alt friendly idea out.
RandomSeed
Member
I had no idea about those items. Or I forgot. Damn.
Totally forgot. I bought one and it said I already had it.
Dog Problems
Banned
I wish I shared your enthusiasm. There's certainly things I really like about Legion (Artifacts, class halls, Demon Hunter, the Highmountain zone) but overall this expansion has me feeling jaded.
Moff
Member
I said that from start, absolutely agree. I'd even say this is the best wow has ever been.
Still, my fondest memories are from vanilla/bc because of the community.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
There are a TON of things to like about Legion. I would probably agree that it is the best expansion. However I have major hangups about a lot of things - legendaries, massive reliance on RNG, titanforging, artifact power - but I think it balances out with things like the raid designs, mythic + and dungeon design, order halls, world quests and the update schedule.
cartographer
Member
Sort of where I am at. I really like M+ and other things, but so many if the systems are so nakedly cynical that my overall enthusiasm drops way down.
Like I still have issues with how the legendary system is implemented, and this is after a year of buffing drop rates, buffing the item level of the items by 15 and reworking secondary stat budgets so you would even bother equipping them, buffing the bad items multiple times etc. It's only been a source of frustration for me, but it's good for engagement so it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't think it's an overall bad expansion, but I often find myself playing in spite of some of the marquee systems rather than because of them.
As a casual player my only complaints are the reputations being alt unfriendly and too many WQs giving a derisory amount of rep as well as challenge modes being gone. I think the new legendaries are a terrible idea too.
Still it's the best expansion since TBC. Even PVP is back to being fun.
Still it's the best expansion since TBC. Even PVP is back to being fun.
I love Legion overall, but the legendary system is indeed dookie. Like I mentioned the other day in here, getting a bad legendary when you've been due for one for a while is a real slap in the face. Makes me actually uninterested in playing my character for a while when it happens.
And I complain only because I've witnessed how the good legendaries truly do make a huge difference. I got one of the best enhancement legendaries on my shaman and it's been fantastic. I'm noticeably more powerful in everything I do, from raids to daily solo content and has made playing that toon more fun.
And I complain only because I've witnessed how the good legendaries truly do make a huge difference. I got one of the best enhancement legendaries on my shaman and it's been fantastic. I'm noticeably more powerful in everything I do, from raids to daily solo content and has made playing that toon more fun.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
It feels like a punishment system rather than a reward system, personally.
They really screwed up the potential when they decided to Make it a replacement for the glyph system, damage modifying talents should never have been considered
Definitely feels like that sometimes.
I know people who have gotten two really good ones or even their BiS right off the bat while I'm still rolling with shit like Prydaz and Sephuz on my DK after months of a ton of playtime on him. It's pretty frustrating.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Best example I can think of for the Legendary system is Mantle of the Master Assassin being BiS for every rogue spec by a wide margin and pre-nerf Sin'Dorei Spite being BiS for every Warlock spec despite being only on the demo loot table.
For some classes it is less important then others, but Mantle of the Master Assassin is so dominant
For some classes it is less important then others, but Mantle of the Master Assassin is so dominant
cartographer
Member
Brew could get both belts as 1 and 2 before they made the second belt less likely if you had the first. Sort of amazing that went live.
Sax Russel
Banned
Like a boss
Edit: And as a follow up, finished the mage too, so...
Woo
Anything else would be starting from level 1 so pretty much done with alts in Legion for now, phew.
Yes I agree. The community was heaps better back then.
In terms of content Id totally agree. The patch pacing has been great, mythic+ might be the best thing they ever added, theyve finally figured out how to keep things relevant for an entire expansion, and theres a very good variety of stuff available.
Where Legion goes bad for me is the reward structure. I really like the idea of legendaries but pure rng acquisition is incredibly frustrating. Titanforging, crafted gear, faction prizes, many artifact skins, pvp gear, mythic+ weekly chest.. theres no reason it all needs to be dice rolls. The Badge system they used from WotLK to MoP was amazing, you could buy tier sets with them. I cant understand why they abandoned that.
Overall, Im not sure were I rank Legion. Ill wait and see how 7.3 shapes out
Server communities in vanilla/TBC were amazing. Legion is great but WoW has long since lost the human touch it once had several years ago.
Maybe it's different on RP servers...
The class design/class balance in legion really sets this expansion back a lot. Probably the worst it has ever been, probably worse than vanilla wow. Retreading the same problems with poor scaling, band aid fixes, specs left to die because reasons, shitty talents that aren't even competitive, a relic system that highlights how much better specs benefit from weapon scaling than others. I can go on and on. I mean there's specs that have had the same problems for almost 4-6 years at this point. They weren't as bad in MoP because everyone had some broken shit, but jesus christ. They need to surgically fix some shit and stop waiting for next tier. The wod team also makes some of the shittiest encounters ever that encourage class stacking.
Yeah, the community and sense of discovery has certainly waned over the years. But I don't think that's all Blizzard's fault, some of it is inevitable. Like way back in vanilla you didn't have things datamined months in advance, sites with a decade of game knowledge one click away so you could look up anything instantly (or at least if they did exist I didn't know about them).
That's gone now and the game feels much more like a "game" if that makes sense. You see the mechanics more and you have stuff like heirlooms, level boosts, etc. The game felt more "organic" back in the day.
But like I said, think a lot of that was inevitable. Don't think there's anyway Blizzard could have kept the vanilla experience intact for all these years.
That's gone now and the game feels much more like a "game" if that makes sense. You see the mechanics more and you have stuff like heirlooms, level boosts, etc. The game felt more "organic" back in the day.
But like I said, think a lot of that was inevitable. Don't think there's anyway Blizzard could have kept the vanilla experience intact for all these years.
Moff
Member
not at all, raidfinder and in my case especially cross realm pvp have destroyed the community in no time. I do think it also had obvious advantages, probably for most players, since most are casuals, but it absolutely destroyed the community
Azzurri
Member
https://youtu.be/yFIW0EXGLfc
Blast from the past. I remember listening to WCradio all the time back in Vanilla.
Blast from the past. I remember listening to WCradio all the time back in Vanilla.
cartographer
Member
I really hope they don't try to redesign a bunch of specs again. Some need it for sure, but a lot of legion's issues with class design and balance seem to be rooted in rushing through a bunch of major design changes to go with removing glyphs and introducing artifacts. It seems sometimes they just eschew iteration for a more bulldoze-like approach.
That's a bit too hyperbolic for me. As fond as my memories are for vanilla and TBC, class design and balance back then was a car crash. Certain specs were left to die or were pigeon holed into unsatisfying roles for 4 years and nearly every spec had an objectively correct talent pick and any deviation from that resulted in mockery.
Also class stacking always was and always will be a thing at the absolute highest levels of raiding. I don't think encounter designers should be constrained because the top 1% of guilds have an army of progression geared alts ready to swap in when needed to trivialise certain mechanics.
No arguments from me re the relic system, they didn't think that one through very well.
I miss that a lot, now nothing can surprise players. Back then the best we had was Thottbot, now you have Crazy Taxi arrows and areas on the mark clearly demarcated.
That's too bad. As a casual player it is better for me now but I miss the good old days all the same.
I don't think there's a wrong answer. All three specs are strong as far as their power level goes. Demonology is the best for pure single target but needs to be able to just focus-tunnel like a train, Affliction is best on most AoE fights, and Destruction is the best for exactly two targets, but is more flexible than Demonology.
I've fond memories of vanilla and tbc but to me i can't go back to that older version of WoW. Yes communities change though..that's a fact, but these things happen.
When i think back of vanilla it was a new time, different time but also everything was new and fresh Blizzard had a lot to learn from it, we see it every expansion ever since. To me the current state on Legion i am really enjoying it, far more than WoD. I've invested all my time in this expansion now getting all class mounts for example, i do try different spec with different classes.
I can't stick to one class anymore and i just have fun. People complain about LFR a lot but to me it is a godsend. I'm older now and i try to play when i can but also time is short since back then i lived with my parents was also a bit younger.
Full time raiding just isn't for me and i do join a raid in premade groups or do M+. Full time comitment to raiding itself? I have other things to do, that is something that happend when you grow older. I am very happy i could kill Kil'jaeden in LFR, sure fight is skimped down and different from Normal,Heroic and Mythic but still i have fun.
Been playing this game for 12 years now, the only game i played that long in my entire life bought every new expansion and yeah i bought stuff from the blizzard store because to me it is worth it more than something else but i don't regret it.
When i think back of all those of playing how the game is currently and how blizzard finally manages to pump out more patches regulary because of the terrible mistake they made with WoD, longest drought I've ever seen.
Also TBC was a mess in terms of classes..i played Warlock main i had one terrible spec it was a nuke build something put together Demonology/Destruction.
Changing specs was not so easy to do because respecs costed loads of gold at one point, i could not afford it at that moment because it costs so much.
Also the datamining yeah it happens now because the internet is bigger than ever back then i knew little about the new expansion. But what i do now and it works so far, i avoided mmo champion as a whole before legion was launched. Glad i did and went in fresh to experience it.
See i like to talk about old WoW but i never want to go back on how all those systems worked.
Artifact weapons give a hunch back to that old system..kinda but still awesome to see how skills and abilities are affected when you are AK40 getting all 52 traits.
For once i am happy how PvP has turned out, because honor talents should have been there in the first place, the mix of pvp and pve talents/abilities in one tree or the older system in all of them just don't work. PvP gear the same way, now it is just based on stats, i don't have to switch gear or need a closer look on how much X i need.
When i think back of vanilla it was a new time, different time but also everything was new and fresh Blizzard had a lot to learn from it, we see it every expansion ever since. To me the current state on Legion i am really enjoying it, far more than WoD. I've invested all my time in this expansion now getting all class mounts for example, i do try different spec with different classes.
I can't stick to one class anymore and i just have fun. People complain about LFR a lot but to me it is a godsend. I'm older now and i try to play when i can but also time is short since back then i lived with my parents was also a bit younger.
Full time raiding just isn't for me and i do join a raid in premade groups or do M+. Full time comitment to raiding itself? I have other things to do, that is something that happend when you grow older. I am very happy i could kill Kil'jaeden in LFR, sure fight is skimped down and different from Normal,Heroic and Mythic but still i have fun.
Been playing this game for 12 years now, the only game i played that long in my entire life bought every new expansion and yeah i bought stuff from the blizzard store because to me it is worth it more than something else but i don't regret it.
When i think back of all those of playing how the game is currently and how blizzard finally manages to pump out more patches regulary because of the terrible mistake they made with WoD, longest drought I've ever seen.
Also TBC was a mess in terms of classes..i played Warlock main i had one terrible spec it was a nuke build something put together Demonology/Destruction.
Changing specs was not so easy to do because respecs costed loads of gold at one point, i could not afford it at that moment because it costs so much.
Also the datamining yeah it happens now because the internet is bigger than ever back then i knew little about the new expansion. But what i do now and it works so far, i avoided mmo champion as a whole before legion was launched. Glad i did and went in fresh to experience it.
See i like to talk about old WoW but i never want to go back on how all those systems worked.
Artifact weapons give a hunch back to that old system..kinda but still awesome to see how skills and abilities are affected when you are AK40 getting all 52 traits.
For once i am happy how PvP has turned out, because honor talents should have been there in the first place, the mix of pvp and pve talents/abilities in one tree or the older system in all of them just don't work. PvP gear the same way, now it is just based on stats, i don't have to switch gear or need a closer look on how much X i need.
That was really true for most of the classes, there was one viable build with little wiggle room and that's it. Old talent system is vastly overrated, everyone just looked up the optimal build on the Internet and ran with it anyway.
Preach talked about it on why talent tree's where a mess..also lots of fillers because you couldn't put points somewhere what was really needed.
I farmed with that demo/destro build..horrible i had no mana in no time and using life tap was not helping either.
AdventureMike
Member
I like the content coming out of Legion but I feel like some others here, it's getting held back by the systems around it. Also, Blizzard seems determined not to attempt to listen to people. Do I want them to listen to just everyone and anyone and change things at the drop of a hat? No. However, it also really feels like they aren't taking some important feedback to heart.
The legendary system is playing out like a lot of us feared it would back when they first were showing it off in beta. Even almost a full year later, it is one of the most common links of complaint amongst many players in it being a sour point. Yet, they are just adding more legendaries every patch and making it harder to get your best ones if you either started late or have an alt.
Also, on a personal note, I think content is coming out a little too fast for my tastes but that might just be being exacerbated by the other systems (legendaries, relics, AP, titanforging, etc). Probably isn't a popular opinion but I liked when I could work towards gear, get it and be like "Okay cool, I'm done for a bit" and get to either play other games while showing up for raids or doing other stuff.
The legendary system is playing out like a lot of us feared it would back when they first were showing it off in beta. Even almost a full year later, it is one of the most common links of complaint amongst many players in it being a sour point. Yet, they are just adding more legendaries every patch and making it harder to get your best ones if you either started late or have an alt.
Also, on a personal note, I think content is coming out a little too fast for my tastes but that might just be being exacerbated by the other systems (legendaries, relics, AP, titanforging, etc). Probably isn't a popular opinion but I liked when I could work towards gear, get it and be like "Okay cool, I'm done for a bit" and get to either play other games while showing up for raids or doing other stuff.
I also wish artifact progress and relics carried over to other specs. Or maybe having it all carry over is too much, but it just sucks switching specs because of it. My unholy artifact is 932 with 9 points into Concordance, but if unholy gets nerfed into the ground or if I ever feel like switching to frost I'm screwed.
RandomSeed
Member
Is the armory app a total piece of shit for anyone/everyone else, or is it just me? It can't stay connected.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
The old armory app is in desperate need of a revamp. Still has MoP challenge mode stuff in it for example, I think.
In general, the armory, even the new website one isn't very good.
RandomSeed
Member
Damn, I need to sell these demonsteel pauldrons, and pretend that leveling blacksmithing was worth it.
Alright Mage tower question guys, with Raest. I'm affliction but don't have the cheese ring. So in phase 1 I can slow dps it and my infernal holds aggro and is super simple. The problem is it seems completely random whether or not it will work. Karam either fixates me where the pet has no effect, he is not targeting any frames either, or my pet can smack his face and I just slow burn him with dots. It seems like a bug on the forums from April and still has not been addressed so i'm just not doing it for now. Anyone else experience this bug?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It hasn't been properly updated since Mists, but the auction house on it is still good
I think your first mistake is trying to do that without the ring and portal pants tbh
Oh I know, but it I may not get those 2 legendaries by the end of the expansion lol. I rerolled to him for tomb so he only has 4 legendaries. 921 with heroic 4 set and its just annoying not having any of the key legendaries for it. Plus now he's teleporting and killing me, fun stuff.
I think the infernal is broke. I can turn off both of the taunts and sometimes he will pull aggro and die randomly in a dungeon. I wear the crafted amulet just so that I will laugh at his stupid ass when he dies and I'll know what happened. Try a voidwalker instead?
It's not the infernal, because I notice it with doomguard as well. When Karam is targeting me and I see my frame as my target's target, I know its working fine. But half the time there is no frame, and I see FIXATE and just get rofl stomped if I was going the pet strat. I submitted it as a bug, we'll see.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I had Implosion specced an entire 15 Court and forgot to use it a single time and we still 2 chested it easily. Why do I spec into that thing, I feel like its always a DPS loss unless you are pulling by the dozen
jaundicejuice
Member
Wyrmrest Accord, Moonguard and Emerald Dream still seem to have strong identities/communities. In general the public chat channels on WrA seemed less like a dumpster fire and almost seemed downright polite and friendly compared to servers like Dalaran or Proudmoore.
It is a DPS loss pretty much always, because the extra imp generation from the other talents is too good. With the T20 4-piece, I've been using the same build for every kind of content: Demonic Calling, Improved Dreadstalkers, Hand of Doom, Grimoire of Synergy, Soul Conduit. It's the only balanced build I've found for Demo. It can do single target, low target cleave, and AoE and perform pretty well at all of them.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I always forget Impending Doom is a totally viable pick over Improved Dreadstalkers on Mythic +, especially if its fortified and you have the belt. Comboed with Darkglare its huge