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WWDC12 Thread of iOS 6, Mac OS X Mountain Lion and iCloud
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
IIRC you haven't actually used your Air yet, correct?
You might want to try using it for a week or two before you decide you need a case or cover. I mean, I transport mine in my laptop bag most of the time, but I can't imagine any scenario where I'd want or need a case or cover. I'm not saying this to be unhelpful, obviously if you want it, you want it.
It's actually exceedingly easy to carry and it's got a great grip thanks to the tapered shape.
Keylime
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True, but if the next iMac is a year away still I would have suspected that it'd get a modest spec-bump like the other existing models did and then overhauled in the next rev or something.
We're not going to end this year without a new iMac (I wouldn't think). Is the desktop-class components available not that compelling like the Ivy-Bridge Intel CPUs or something like that right now?
By going Retina with the MBP, I suspect any new revision of devices should have Retina...but at 27" we're talking a resolution of 5120 x 2880! Almost 15 million pixels! FUCKING BONKERS!
I agree, but you can lower the res. I wish they would have done more games testing at 1/2 res. it should still look great on that screen.
As a MBP owner for a couple years though, I've simply accepted that Apple doesn't care about core gaming on their platform. It's been that way since forever. You've got Valve, Blizzard, a few other standouts like Civilization, indie developers, and the other mac games are usually ported by third parties and have very iffy performance. It's not a wasteland but it's still disappointing if you are used to PC gaming
But hey, it's got Angry Birds. That's right... play Angry Birds on that $3000 MBP Retina... Mmmm. Worth every penny
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
Agree with this completely except I did purchase a sleeve for mine at the Apple Store for when I travel and just throw my Air into my backpack. Otherwise it's great without a sleeve and fits so nicely into a laptop bag.
We could still get a spec bump later this summer. They don't have to turn over the entire line on one day.
I'll give that a try. Hopefully my bank allows it.
Mecha_Infantry
Banned
sorry wrong thread
Keylime
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Oh I know, I'm just saying that I'd be shocked if the next iMac actually was Retina given the resolutions it'd need to run to do it...but Apple is increasingly setting the expectation that Retina is going across all products.
Perhaps we'll see an iMac + iMac w/Retina like we did with the MBP line, but a Retina iMac seems so far off to me.
Just speculating that I don't think the next iMac will be Retina, but I don't see the next update just being another spec bump given all the pomp around the Next-Gen MBP. Perhaps I'm just reading too much into it and the next iMac will just be a bump sometime later this year, but I feel like there would more to it than that.
TCooks told me to dream big this year, damnit!
Havent used one yet, but I'll definitely wait on a case now. Thanks Stump!
Argh, help me Mac gaf. I have multiple options here.
Hold onto my base MBA (2gb ram, 64gb HDD lol) until next year, hope the airs get retina. I admit my air gives me no issues now.
Sell the air and get a 13" MBA, upgrade to 8gb of ram. Cry if retinas hit next year.
I'm leaning towards hold on. Especially since I just got the iPad and I'll be upgrading my iPhone 4 in the fall. Oh yeah and that mortgage thing I just took on.
Hold onto my base MBA (2gb ram, 64gb HDD lol) until next year, hope the airs get retina. I admit my air gives me no issues now.
Sell the air and get a 13" MBA, upgrade to 8gb of ram. Cry if retinas hit next year.
I'm leaning towards hold on. Especially since I just got the iPad and I'll be upgrading my iPhone 4 in the fall. Oh yeah and that mortgage thing I just took on.
Wait until next year.
This is the very definition of first-world problems.
anyway, just wait if you don't need something. It's only going to get better next year.
Crazymoogle
Member
Rummaged up the clock speed info from Anandtech.
2011 MacBook Air GPU: 350MHz/1.2GHz
2011 MacBook Pro GPU: 650MHz/1.2GHz (1.3GHz if you have the i7)
It seems that at idle or battery mode the Pro has a faster GPU, but plugged in, both systems should have roughly identical graphics performance (the Pro would win out thanks to a faster CPU, however) There are no specific clockspeed numbers for the HD4000 systems yet but it's not a stretch to think they will be similar.
Stumpokapow said:
This. Really doesn't need a cover. If you're ever in a situation of unsure footing it's so small to fit in most backpacks or bags anyway.
I think the problem right now for the desktop line is sourcing parts. So far Apple has exactly one screen to produce at Retina IPS, and it's only 15" so yield is going to be high. Getting Retina panels with sufficient yield for the iMac (21"/27") when they are already slamming so many factories in China with work orders is probably something that takes some time to ramp up...especially when it's only secondary business compared to the iPad, iPhone, and MacBook.
Keylime
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The picture of a new macbook with a cover on it sent bitches into a frenzy. "OHHH SHIT!!!"
But that was all the buzz, no Schiller'ing to egg the audience on really. Bleh! Hair Force One would have even done a better job.
I seriously wonder why they don't ever trot Ives out on stage. I think it's cause I read he doesn't like it...but damnit I want him up there! I don't give a shit about Schiller! He's boooring! Anyone who says otherwise is settling for a false-Jobs!
Hell...TCooks would be better!
Speaking of, TCooks looks really shaken at the end of the conference. I couldn't tell if he was emotionally moved, or if he just got lost for a second....but it was a very noticeable beat where he just froze up.
...and that feel-good video was awesome. Hard not to melt a bit when you see shit like that.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Why would the Airs get retina next year?
The 13" MBP will be next in line, hence why they deliberately didn't bump up the res on the screen to match the 13" Air.
They are Going to want to keep something special about the pros to make then different in obvious ways from the "cheap" entry level airs. At least till retina displays are a lot cheaper to produce. I see the 13 pro getting retina next year and probably iMac. I suspect it'll be at least another year for MacBook air.
The new MBA is fantastic, double the max ram, way better CPU and GPU. If you are considering one now is the best time to jump. Retina could be 2 years+ off.
The new MBA is fantastic, double the max ram, way better CPU and GPU. If you are considering one now is the best time to jump. Retina could be 2 years+ off.
Thought about getting the 2.3GHZ/16GB/256GB model, but I wonder if the 16GB are worth the money. I'm a developer (coding, no 3D stuff) and I'm often using a big bunch of apps together, but usually the performance is okay (got 4GB RAM). Except if one or two of them are really resource-hungry, like Eclipse sometimes is. So 8GB should be enough, I guess?
What about gaming? I haven't played PC/Mac games for a long while, since my current MBP ist just too weak, but I think I'd start playing again with the new one. Would the 2.6 GHZ CPU make a noticable difference concerning gaming?
A colleague of mine ordered the 2.6GHZ/16GB/512GB model just after the store went up.. "just to be on the safe side and future-proof", he said.
how old is your MBA? If its pre-sandy bridge, I'd be tempted to update now. They're a lot faster and the standard RAM/SSD is bigger too.
Not sure there are necessarily any guarantees of retina next year. They might choose to keep the airs as the compact consumer laptop, and retina might need larger batteries or discrete GPU to drive it.
njean777
Member
The reason to buy a pro is because you can upgrade everything yourself and not pay the ridiculous prices apple charges for Ram/SSD's. I can have 2 HD's in the pro while air users have one, I can have 16gb of Ram while the Air users are only able to have 8gb max. Also if my fans or anything mess up I can open it up and not worry about voiding the warranty. The processors are faster then the air is also. All in all the Pro is better for college students that want the most bang for their buck, the air is great but without being able to upgrade anything yourself you have to pay the overpriced values that apple charges for bigger HD's and more Ram.
All depends on the needs of the end user. I switched from a 2009 MBP to the 2011 Airs, and it was a great transition. There are a lot of people who simply have no need for multiple HDD's or 16 GB's of ram for a everyday laptop.
The Air is incredibly fast, has a better display, is lightweight and it has a very small profile. Currently, I vastly prefer those features over any theoretical speed increase that I won't ever notice because I don't play games or edit video for a living.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Your talking about the old pro's right? Can't upgrade the new models.
njean777
Member
Thats fine that you will not, but if you want the best specs for your money the air is not the way to go. That was all I was saying. I like portable computers as I need one for school, but 4.5 lbs is not a deal breaker at all. The airs weak internals bother me more then the weight issue right now. The lack of being able to tinker or upgrade anything without voiding the warranty also is not something I like either. I had a 13in air before I returned it for the pro, the HD size and the slower cpu were not worth the money imo.
Yeah, not the retina I wouldn't buy that thing ever. The price is to outrageous right now and for somebody that plays games occasionally on my laptop I would not want to have that high of a resolution with that mobile GPU. Funny thing about the press conference is that they showed Diablo 3 on the retina, but I really want to know how well it runs at full native res. Anandtech did a benchmark already and it ran at 20fps in native res that is laughable imo.
in a 13" 1280x800 laptop? Your description sounds more pro than those consumers are likely to need.
njean777
Member
Well if you want a higher res then just connect it to a monitor, if I am on the go I really am not that concerned about resolution. I just personally do not care what resolution a thing is at. As long as the computer can get the work done and is reasonably priced with the ability for me to upgrade at my own leisure then I will take it over any computer that is all proprietary parts.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I am in PROCESSING hell!
I need to figure out how I could justify getting the new 15-inch retina as a student for one more year.
I've got a 2009 13-inch which has a 2.26 Intel Core 2 Duo and a really terrible graphics card. It's out of warranty and it's just quite slow now. I only use a laptop and don't plan on having any other computer, as I can do pretty much everything I want with one. I would however, like to play a few games on bootcamp, something I did for a little bit on this laptop until it got too outdated.
Now, I realize this jump would be a pretty huge one in specs for me which makes it sound worth it. I was already considering the low end 15 inch, but the retina is only 300 more...
I have money available, it's just part of my savings that I was going to use as a nest egg. I would really like a new laptop for school though. Also I assume these specs will last me for quite a while.
Eh, I dunno.
I've got a 2009 13-inch which has a 2.26 Intel Core 2 Duo and a really terrible graphics card. It's out of warranty and it's just quite slow now. I only use a laptop and don't plan on having any other computer, as I can do pretty much everything I want with one. I would however, like to play a few games on bootcamp, something I did for a little bit on this laptop until it got too outdated.
Now, I realize this jump would be a pretty huge one in specs for me which makes it sound worth it. I was already considering the low end 15 inch, but the retina is only 300 more...
I have money available, it's just part of my savings that I was going to use as a nest egg. I would really like a new laptop for school though. Also I assume these specs will last me for quite a while.
Eh, I dunno.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
I'm warming up to the idea of the new macbook pros after the suggestion of using an external dock/thunderbolt display to give me all the ports I need (naturally I'd be pissed off if they removed them from the thunderbolt display line), but I'm still not sold on using flash storage as the main storage medium on the macbook pros.
They champion the benefits of using it with photography and video editing purposes but the constant rewriting of massive files will wear out the drives fairly rapidly.
They champion the benefits of using it with photography and video editing purposes but the constant rewriting of massive files will wear out the drives fairly rapidly.
edgefusion
Member
Has anyone noticed this yet?
The bookmarks bar and the tab bar are all on the same line. This has to be just an error right?
EDIT: Silly me that's what it looks like when you have no tabs open. Ignore me!
The bookmarks bar and the tab bar are all on the same line. This has to be just an error right?
EDIT: Silly me that's what it looks like when you have no tabs open. Ignore me!
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
How is Diablo 3's performance on one of the new Macbook Airs? I have the 21" imac from last year's revision and it runs things well enough for me: can I expect comparable performance?
Keylime
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Not even close... discrete graphics on the iMac vs. integrated graphics on the Macbook Air.
HD Keynote download is finally up: http://itstreaming.apple.com/podcasts/apple_keynotes_hd/wwdc2012_hd.mov
Dreams-Visions
Member
I need more analysis of the screen.
I need the whole Adobe RGB analysis, and compared to the HP Elitebook DreamColor 2 display and the Dell Precision display. Those two, as far as I am aware, are the gold standard for laptop IPS displays.
njean777
Member
To be honest if you want games, Retina is not the way to go. That GPU will not be able to run games well at native res.
I think I'll get the new 13" Macbook Pro withou Retina and will upgrade it myself with a SSD and 8GB RamIt's the best solution right now and I'm pretty hyped to get a Mac OS system, pretty cool!
Why not the 13" air?
Dreams-Visions
Member
I know this feeling. I'm getting tempted again.
Just run the game at a lower resolution like you'd have to anyway with a lower res screen?
I'm really excited about this update, and am debating upgrading my original unibody Late 08' MBP (which actually cost significantly more than this new one when I bought it).
This year or next year, this year or next year....
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
How about on the 15 inch pro without the retina display? If it's still garbage I'll probably just grab an air for school then wait with bated breath for an iMac update and sell it then.
I don't feel like the Air is powerful enough for me.. I want to play be able to play Diablo 3, and I think this should be possible on the Pro, right?
Diablo 3 on low level settings ran on last years air. Should be absolutely no problem on a 2012 air. Blizzard has always been really good with maxing apple hardware.
Obviously if you want to max the settings and go all out you'll need a pro though.
Feeling the same way at this point.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
The paranoid in me thinks this is why they don't offer SSD upgrades on the base laptop.
Since, there's no reason not to.
True, unless the MBA CPU/GPU is throttled due to excessive heat and poor heat disspiation.